Anarchy

ITT: What does Veeky Forums think of anarchy and where could it work, some records have shown that it worked in ukraine as the Revolutionary Insurrectionary Army of Ukraine

>What does Veeky Forums think of anarchy
Horrible, literally a curse and an insult to civilized people.
>and where could it work
Some place where there are only anarchists who also happen to productive members of society.

It's a neat idea whose time may come soon with technological change, but (like other centenarian ideologies) it suffers from a community that values historical recapitulation over adaptation and currentness.

The problem with Anarchy is that a state with a military complex is required to defend itself, which the Ukrainians figured out when the Soviets invaded.

There's a reason the government evolved.

In the same way that countries like North Korea that try to eliminate the market end up with massive black markets for basic goods, countries like Somalia that end up with no government revert to tribalism to get some basic physical security.

It's an effective system, the competitive market provides services at the lowest possible price, the government provides security and manages externalities.

>either of those two examples
>working

Anarchy is basically the tits.

There's a really interesting Alan Moore quote, where he claims that in a case of real anarchism the biggest gang with the most guns would take control, and that's basically the world we live in.

The whole society deal, it's very superficial, if you are powerful enough most of the laws don't apply to you, and you can do what you want with no consequences.

Our social deal depends on our capacity to be nice to each other, and some sectors of humanity don't play nice.

In a capitalist society where private property is sacred, a men's house it's a personal anarchy, you can even kill someone who enters.

You can't avoid this, only by the use of force you can gain a limited control, that's why I tolerate second ammendment fags, cause it's a very thin line, and the goverment or the state it's not a real thing, it's just a group of individuals that work in unity out of necessity.

We wildly overestimate society, that's why we fail to understand wars and violence, we can rationalize them forever, but the deep reality is a every men for himself kind of world.

The social pact it's a french fantasy, religion or genetics aren't the problem, we have failed time and time again, to create an ideological model that gives a permanent solution to human desires.

If you are free and equal you can't be fraternal, if you are fraternal and equal you aren't free.

You can't be free, if you have to respect limits, you can't be fraternal, if you are free to desire.

We live in anarchy and it seems to work, for a while at least, and for limited cases.

"I believe that all other political states are in fact variations or outgrowths of a basic state of anarchy; after all, when you mention the idea of anarchy to most people they will tell you what a bad idea it is because the biggest gang would just take over. Which is pretty much how I see contemporary society. We live in a badly developed anarchist situation in which the biggest gang has taken over and have declared that it is not an anarchist situation – that it is a capitalist or a communist situation. But I tend to think that anarchy is the most natural form of politics for a human being to actually practice."

pretty accurate desu

Makhno was just another warlord who used anarchism as propaganda. No feasible system has been devised that remotely resembles anarchism, the anarchist movement itself is stagnant and plagued by dogmatism and memes with few genuine attempts made to improve it.

Despite being an anarchist hippie occultist faggot who looks like a bum and writes pretentious comic books for a living, Alan Moore is actually pretty smart. When you realize that it's perfectly natural for people to create monopolies of violence, even if they're imperfect, all anarchist arguments become shit.

/leftypol/ has the worst memes

>hobgoblin little shit represents society
>starts with hobgoblin little shit on Slave Society
>hobgoblin little shit gets bigger and fancier with Feudalism
>hobgoblin little shit gets even bigger and fancier with Capitalism
>hobgoblin little shit kills itself and dies with Socialism

seems reasonable desu senpai

the left just not capable of harnessing memeatic warfare

That capitalist pig guy and the Hoxha bunker shit are the only memes /leftypol/ ever created, the rest of their memes are flat out copied from /pol/ and leftified, which is ironic considering they bitch and moan about everything /pol/.

>tfw capitalists outproduce communists even in memes

That particular narrative is the heart of any anti-anarchistic sentiment. Alan Moore illustrates the point well and i would hesitate to debate it.

What i don't think any anarchistic movement really ever matures and realizes is though is that the parameters for anarchy to succeed is the utter and complete antithesis to any anarchistic movement. For example a legion of clones might have a successful anarchy, but a group of diverse and varied individuals, not likely.

The environment in which anarchy would be allowed to succeed is impossible and far fetched. Nature requires order to flourish. You can see it in every single environment in which life is present. Fish, dogs, plants, flora and fauna of all kinds. Without order there is chaos.

Historically Anarchy has been temporary at best and exceedingly brutal at worst.

Almost all anarchists are children. When you start to approach the edges of their anarchistic rhetoric (memes) they will start to define something completely different, usually communism. Anarchy is an idea in it's infancy and people that support it are usually in their intellectual infancy as well.

But society is childish, most people will never mature theirs political ideology.

You don't like something?, label it, any idea can be labeled as left wing, right wing, or anything really, it's easier and desirable to simplify other peoples ideologies.

We are encouraged to do so, because simple parameters are easier to control, as you said, if someone claims to be an anarchist, it will be asked to define himself.

Order looks natural, but it could be an expression of sentient life and not the real state of things.

Whenever our established parameters fail to predict, we change the narrative, and we retroactively change the ideology, to acomodate to current conditions, so we go back to the undefined moments and rescue something that we overlooked as wrong or inmature.

The mechanism to do this is integrated in our conditioning, society is, ultimately, an after tought after consumated facts, not a well defined practical planification, but instead a reactionary response to circumstances outside our control.

We accept greed, we accept violence and stupidity, we close our eyes to the negative aspects of our worldview until it's too obvious, then we proceed to send those negative aspects to the other side in a shameless projection.

We can do this cause those aspects aren't particular to any ideology, but inherent to all humans, we just choose where to see them.

The pig is just a stand in for a jew

On the contrary /leftypol/ has Stirner which is basically the atomic bomb of memes.

thats a lit meme.

Nice repeating digits

I think /leftypol/ has embraced Stirner much more aggressively than anywhere else, so it's a safe bet that a lot of stirnerpics originally came from there.

>Be Russian
>want stateless, moneyless anarchy/utopia
>get your shit stomped in by a non-anarchist Germany

>"Ok guys, we can't have anarchy. The world is too dangerous, we must protect ourselves."
>create revolutionary army
>unleash worldwide revolutions
>get your shit stomped in by non-revolutionary countries and interventions

>"Ok guys, fuck the world revolution. We are still too weak. Let's get strong as fuck first even if that means we have to work much harder than under a capitalist regime."
>get your shit stomped in by Nazi Germany

>"Phew that was close. Now we are strong as fuck... but we are still hungry. Let's continue building communism... it is inevitable that we win. The state will wither away and we will have anarchy."
>country collapses and the state literally withers away
>Now a bunch of hardcore capitalists and oligarchs rule the country

What my point is? This user got it right 100%.

>le makhno was le warlord le meme le haha
Kind of hard to say this when he literally held democratic assemblies with his troops.

Sorry but, this post is wrong.

While i find it noble to reject human nature in an attempt to create something better. I don't think it's practical, sane, or very productive.

I don't quite understand what your post is trying to convey. Maybe my comprehension isn't up to par. Could you explain a little more? Or do you not have a central point at all?

This website is 18+ only

You have to go back

Shit tier meme.