Is it possible for anime to be considered a form of high art?

Is it possible for anime to be considered a form of high art?

Anime is high art, plebs just don't get it as usual

yes, just look at NNB

>anime
>art

No

dumb rodentposter

It's a form of mass culture. Mass culture is completely opposite of high culture.
Sage for shit thread

>Posting worst anime of 2015
>HIGH ART ANIME
Hibike! Euphonium and Houkago no Pleiades are far better than your orange hamster show

Ufo?

Just die already

Holy shit you faggots are seeping into Veeky Forums

>you faggots

What did he mean by that?

Yes. Monogatari is high art imo. The rest just falls under the "entertainment category"

Where is the art?

Jin-Roh may be slow, and though it tells you the ending throughout the film you still don't really see it coming.
The sound design is pure sex as well for those who like good sound.

And gun porn. I could watch that MG scene for hours.

Only by retards. I've seen enough anime to know what I'm talking about.

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No
Next question

It undoubtably has aesthetic value, it's true worth depends on your own subjective values though.

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kek

The industry is in utter peril, it panders endlessly, it's a 'shit' genre but I love it.

The artists themselves (the ones spending their lives drawing panels) are truly talented and deserve A LOT more recognition then they get, the companies are fucked, the people doing the work and doing these drawings for the love of their craft are most cetainly not fucked.

Some are actually very, very talanted. Most scenes are drawn by interns and they get literally no recognition, not even decent pay - a lot of artists HAVE to turn to drawing hentai as a way to support themselves becasue they get no proper payments for their work, it's a really sad state - true talent getting wasted due to margins and profits.

>genre

>true talent getting wasted due to margins and profits.

Sounds like a lot of industries, desu

Most certainly. The talent is there though, it's just being over-used and wasted.

Anime is the synthesis of high art and mass art.

I mean it can be really good storytelling.

Define high art.

>drawn by interns
The final product may be drawn by interns, but they're just cleaning up and tracing the sketches of the primary author/artist. The original artist can do the intern's job of inking and shading perfectly well, they just don't have time to come up with the art, the story, the paneling, and do the clean up, inking and shading.

Oh man a blinking light, such high art

Anime as an entire genre has some of the most predictable, most dull stories ever written.

>they just don't have time to come up with the art, the story, the paneling, and do the clean up, inking and shading.
A hur dur, that's the point. Becasue the margins are so thin to maximize profits there is no time to have any actual reputable person doing anything but the few key frames and managing the interns/making sure everything turns out the way he wants, interns do everything else.

Oh man, another person who thinks art is objective, such intellectualism.

>A hur dur, that's the point. Becasue the margins are so thin to maximize profits there is no time to have any actual reputable person doing anything but the few key frames and managing the interns/making sure everything turns out the way he wants, interns do everything else.

Are you talking about anime, the OP, or manga, which is what you posted as a picture?

For manga, it's all about time schedule.

For anime, being a key framer takes a lot of skill. It takes a lot of time to get things just right. Tweeners aren't actually that great except at drawing stills. That's why they're interns. These aren't unpaid interns. It's the same as an entry level job. They're good drawers, they're not always good animators or good artists. Plus most tweening work is farmed out to Koreans now. If you're good enough to do key frames, you don't want to be drawing tweens. It's often mindless and numbing work. The reason to do it is because it needs to be done, and it helps you study the creative direction of the person drawing keys, character design, etc whatever you want to branch into.

I don't think you understand, tweening, inking, coloring is hard tedious work, it's not creative or imaginative work. There's a reason it's not the factory workers in China get credit for making your phone, but the designers and the company behind the design.

Explain to me how a blinking light is an example of high art. The fountain is more creative than that.

Anime shows are generally trash but movies like Akira, Spirited Away, Grave of the Fireflies are beautiful. Anime is about as shallow as daytime television. Attack on Titan for example is just some HBO tier shit. There are exceptions though, of course.

Yes.

Anyone who has watched "Angel's Egg" or "Magnetic Rose" would agree.
(unless they didn't 'get it')

Miyazaki films have reached such heights.

"Grave of the Fireflies"

Serial Experiments Lain

Boogiepop Phantom

These could hardly be called "mass culture".

It will be whenever the director from 5 centimeters per second makes a 52 episode adaptation of Mishima's Sea of Fertility books

Shakespeare's main audience was the working class, as was most Italian opera during its golden age

a lot of studio ghibli movies
maybe ghost in the shell
besides that, fuck no

anyone who says anything other than "no" is an autistic man-child

Shinkai is literally one of the most overrated directors in anime right now.
The next Miyazaki my fucking ass, at least anime Colonel Sanders could do more stories than just "melancholic syrupy love story".

Dream Machine when?

if a toilet can be considered high art, a sequence of drawings and paintings should be too

Exactly. I'd also add to that list Texhnolyze, Tatami Galaxy, Keit-Ai, and Kino's Journey.

>seeping

Don't lump us weeaboos in with Umaru-watching monkeys.

I don't know who's trolling who.

Would Walt Disney like anime if he saw it?

I won't say it's high art, but the coloring on that is incredible.

>Veeky Forums shit's on modernism "This isn't art. Art is about craftsmanship and hard work, and conveying something without any intellectual background."
>weeaboos post anime gifs made by hardworking oriental slaves folded 10,000 times to produce incredible animated realism "This isn't art, it's just a picture of something!"
Thanks, now I know how to troll "REAL ART" threads.

Only if you cherry pick, but the average anime is low quality niche products that don't appeal to the people you try top convince. Sure there are great shows and movies with very talented animators but the majority of anime does not have such quality.

your least favorite medium

It should be possible, but i'd have to see it to believe it.

Hazuki please

Anime is tied to a certain culture and has unique aesthetics, so it is art. Video Games are not art exactly because the lack of ties to Culture and the fact that they can only exist in capitalism.

>what are flash games
>what are freeware games

Honestly I only watched the early part of the movie, the shooting was amazingly well done.

>europa barbarorum is not art
BARBAROI

>daily reminder that Shakespeare a shit
>daily reminder that Italian opera a shit

Like every mass entretainment media, very few works can be called art. I don't see why is that such a hard concept to grasp, unless you're a memelord trying to impress other manchildren with your faux sophisticated taste.

what makes art high?

>Help, I don't know anything about art history

Your comparing a genre with a medium. Anime is just japanese animation. Animation is global, it has no specific cultural ties SO IT ONLY EXISTS IN CAPITALISM!11 too.

Video game genres, and specifically video game studios have cultural ties. The Witcher 3's Hearts of Stone was one of the freshest and well done take on a Polish adaptation of the Faust. Beat several other forms of media that have attempted the faust by a country mile.

Idunno, how can a bunch of blinking lights in a giant sheet be considered a medium of art?

Hell, a clip of a guy sneezing is considered important enough to be in the fucking library of congress.

>Calls a director overrated
>Criticizes the writing and not the direction

The director does have some say in the story.
That's why he's called the director, instead of the cinematographer.

HIstorical importance, not artistic importance

The Gatchaman is important anime which developed techniques of japanese' animation.

The Gatchaman reboot also discusses the pitfalls of social media activism on democracy.

this is art