The Islamic Golden Age

I didn't say anyone owes them anything, but why deny it happened?

t. morrocan

Paper, compass, printing press. If it wasn't for Muslim trading routes, these technologies would've never reached Europe and colonialism of any form would've been delayed ages and the industrial revolution would've also been delayed ages

Nobody's denying it happened. The issue is that the "islamic golden age" is no more wondrous than any randomly picked century of ancient Greece. It just punctuates a time of relative progress in a culture that has otherwise nothing redeemable.

>If it wasn't for Muslim trading routes
Could mudshit apologists be any more pathetic?

Algebra was practiced way before the Arabs.

I really hope the brown person that bullied you in school really fucked you up psychologically.

Kek. I love how you drop your point in agreeing that mudslimes are vicious animals.

Shrug. People need to release their pent up testosterone, so people like you vent at Muslims for all of your problems. Your man tits will go away with some excersize, desu. No need to blame the scary brown man.

lel, they only reached Europe after the Mongols rekt the Muslims and created pax mongolica.

And the printing press is a Western invention.

>Printing press
>Western invention

Actually it was the Chinese who created the first printing press, later to be made more efficient by Muslims. The western printing press was a few hundred years off, but I guess your Eurocentric text books that glorify subpar inferior history will never tell you that.

I just released it all over some porn, thanks. This is a plain statement of fact - your retarded points don't stand up to scrutiny. "Muh trade routes" is a literal admission that mudshits are incapable of creating anything themselves and can at best be disseminators of knowledge. Go perform some clitorectomies on your daughters, Mohammad.

No, the Chinese invented stamp printing. The printing press was invented by Johannes Gutenberg in Strasbourg.

Just like Romans, Germans and Slavs did.

Not him
>Paper
Chinese invention
>compass
Independent European and Chinese
>printing press
Chinese and European
>Muslim trading routes
He asked for inventions. And yes, they would have still made it since the trade routes in which those technologies traveled were thanks to the mongols and were far after the golden age

Algebra

More like just like everyone besides the Sumerians

>duuuuuuuude, what if, like, the jihad is really, like, a holy war with yourself?
>and what if, like, shirk, is like, the unactualized part if yourself, maaaan?
>wooooooow, far out dude, la ilahah, like, illallah, like wow, we all need to bow to the kaaba inside ourselves maaaan

Mecca was always shit. It was cities like Sarmakand, Merv, Baghdad, Damascus and Aleppo that were rich as fuck and centres of learning and culture. To deny that would be historical revisionism at its worst, and batshit delusion at the very least. Don't let your very justified dislike of Islam now cloud how you see history, it's like the most basic mistake you can make.

it's a meme that was built on the work of Zoroastrians and the like

I suppose Greeks, Muslims in Egypt, and Muslims in Spain are Zoroastrians now.

He said 'and the like' you facetious tard, presumably referring to Christianity, which as it turns out was the state religion in Spain and Egypt.

Sure. Islamic indigenous inventions.

Bridge mill
Vertical-axle windmill
Coffee
Guitars

I mean, all this stuff is not just a made up conspiracy like you guys want to believe, and although obviously Europe has invented and discovered the vast majority of things in the world, that is mostly post industrial revolution, pre industrial revolution, invention and discovery was much more difficult.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_inventions_in_the_medieval_Islamic_world
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_contributions_to_Medieval_Europe
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_in_the_medieval_Islamic_world
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_science_and_engineering_in_the_Islamic_world
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age

This golden period in question largely coincides with the second dynasty of the Caliphate or Islamic Empire, that of the Abbasids, named after Muhammad’s uncle Abbas, who succeeded the Umayyads and ascended to the Caliphate in 750 AD. They moved the capital city to Baghdad, the contribution of Al-Khwarzimi, mathematician and astronomer, was considerable. Like Euclid, he wrote mathematical books that collected and arranged the discoveries of earlier mathematicians. His "Book of Integration and Equation" is a compilation of rules for solving linear and quadratic equations, as well as problems of geometry and proportion. Its translation into Latin in the 12th century provided the link between the great Hindu mathematicians and European scholars. A corruption of the book’s title resulted in the word algebra; a corruption of the author’s own name resulted in the term algorithm.

Muh Aristotle n sheet. We wuz philosophers.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_historic_inventions

lets see
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_historic_inventions
>printing press was invented in mainz, germany
>based on the screw press, invented by the romans

any other lies you would like me to deny?

modern neo-liberals are considered the epitome of feminity in men, so they're the ones that especially needs to lift some weights t b h

The industrial revolution has nothing to do with inventing shit.

It happened to a degree.

But its mainly because they tookover former Persian empires which were famous for its multi-culturalism. Mainly because they conquered areas that included Indians, Greeks, Europeans, Steppe nomads, etc.

So the Muslims simply gained their tradition and it continued for a century or so.

Imagine if the US built a computer that could last a thousand years. But the US was taken over by the Chinese after 700 years. Then the Chinese tookover the computer and claimed China was the inventor of the computer. This scenario could be argued to be true since China now owns US and the US history is Chinese history.

Basically the same thing with Islam.

>The industrial revolution has nothing to do with inventing shit.
Are you mad boy? Almost every single invention that exists occurred after the Industrial revolution, in countries that began the industrial revolution, and based upon and enabled by technology of the industrial revolution.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Industrial_Revolution
First paragraphs explain it nicely.
Not strictly true, while it's true that they gained all those people with rich cultural histories, the area had been dead for centuries, it was just a frontier warzone between Byzantines and Persians. It was the Islamic Peace that enabled such developments and got the most out of those people. The peace the empire created, and the mixing of different peoples and cultures through a united faith and common language. Simply put, it would not have happened if not for Islam, regardless of whether it was mostly Islamised Persians or Greeks instead of Arabs. That's why its called the Islamic golden age, not Arab golden age.

The Chinese invented stamp printing (wood block printing) thousand years before they invented movable/mechanical printing press.

The Chinese invented printing press (movable + mechanical), roughly 400-500 years before the west "invented" it. Around 11th century. The knowledge flowed throughout the Chinese sphere of influence and various modifications were made to fit local regions.

The knowledge later reached the Europe after around 15th/16th century.

>en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_printing

>Imagine if the US built a computer that could last a thousand years. But the US was taken over by the Chinese after 700 years. Then the Chinese tookover the computer and claimed China was the inventor of the computer. This scenario could be argued to be true since China now owns US and the US history is Chinese history.

More like if the US invented the computer, did little to use it to advance any knowledge and mostly focused on maintaining its economy and bureaucracy with it, only for the Chinese to come in later and begin using the computer to create new programs and inventions. Then later Chinese nationalists and future Americaboos argue a golden age of Chinese innovation didn't exist because the computer was always there, or that it was invented by the Chinese, while ignoring the important part about how and why innovation even happened.

"Oh, of course it happened, the best Chinese thinkers all came from Kansas and not China, and we know how the Americans were innovative people - just look at what they were doing in California hundreds of miles away and hundreds of years apart!"

>did little to advance any knowledge
No. More like the Chinese did just as much to advance as the Americans. However once the Chinese fell out of power, neighboring region (Canada) found out about their work. Canada during the Chinese reign was in the middle of dark ages, lets say due to nuclear fallout. Once the canucks stepped foot towards south and found a vast rich empire with knowledge they never had, the Canucks concluded "the Chinese Golden Age" must have happened. With these knowledge from the "Chinese Golden Age", the Canucks become the new superpower of the region.

>No. More like the Chinese did just as much to advance as the Americans.

So Americaboos say without being able to name even a fraction of the same number of important thinkers and advancements in 700 years of American hegemony as the next 300 years of Chinese power. Then when the Canadians came south they absorbed much of it, but also became aware of the British and very early American influence in their works. Centuries later you have Canadians believing they're the true successors to Imperial Britain and Colonial America and start ignoring what happened in between, until a further few centuries later in an atmosphere of intense identity politics various Chinese, Canadian, and American interest groups start warping the findings of recent historians about this forgotten middle period into memes.

And the same thing with the west.

kek

I was actually gonna make a thread on this.

What happened to Persians and Arabs? What changed their culture?

I've gained more respect for the culture. But I still am appalled and very critical of modern culture in those regions

>So the Muslims simply gained their tradition and it continued for a century or so.

If this were actually true, the centers of intellectualism in this period would have been in the same regions that the above traditions were strongest. But Alexandria/Egypt didn't become the seat of early Islamic scholarship, nor did Persian Iraq. Instead it was Khwarezm and Khorasan, places that hadn't been centers of either Byzantine or Sassanid culture and education for centuries if ever.

By the time Reconquista really kicked off Muslim Iberia was already stagnant and treated Christian population badly.

>What happened to Persians and Arabs? What changed their culture?
Turks and Mongols, followed by Westernization and Nationalism, eventually leading into Islamism.

t. Isabel la Catolica.

it was pretty neat, too bad that the muslims hate their own past so much these days.

Isis is not islam.

The Reconquista, like the Crusades, were just one bun in a shit sandwich squeezing the golden age out of the early Medieval caliphates. The other bun came in the form of radicalized or predatory nomads like the Almoravids, Banu Hilal, and the Turks.

>Own past.
>Mostly Roman/Assyrian ruins are destroyed.
At least Arabs are not WEWUZ as fuck.

That golden age Muslim caliphate tried to conquer natives of certain region. Natives resisted and in the end they won, and by the time native resistance really kicked off, Muslim Iberia was past it's golden age, and not really due to Reconquista but rather inherent instability of Muslim societies that is very obvious if you actually bothered to read history.
Thus, it wasn't a great tragedy. Nor was Christian Iberia as inferior as you imply.

Those two regions were instead centers of culture/education for the Buddhist kingdoms. You're touching near Bactria, which was the place of Greek-Bactrian Buddhist.

The Sassanid may have won over the region, but they didn't push the Buddhists out. This region was also a heavy area for silk route. Meeting between the south(india), the east(china), the west(persians/europeans) and the north(steppe nomads).

So this time, instead of the Muslims benefiting from the Persians, its the Buddhist kingdoms.

Care to point out what aspects of Islam are they not following?

I didn't imply anything about Christian Iberia in my post. Also, this is still the same issue with attributing intellectual prosperity to a long dead tradition hundreds of miles away. The far more likely event was that many dead or stagnant traditions gathered one way or another - through trade or slavery or curiosity - under early Muslims in new regions distinct from the old order and flourished as something new itself, rather than any kind of straightforward adoption of pre-existing intellectualism.

Killing people
Destroying random things
Killing other muslims
Committing adultery

>Killing infidels
Checks out
>Destroying infidels property
Checks out
>Killing heretics
Checks out
>Committing adultery
Not adultery when you marry the girl afterwards. And if you can pay, then there's no issue.

None of those things are allowed in Islam, sorry.

thanks for mullering that apologist

>I don't agree with them personally, therefore they're not part of Islam
ISIS literally spend all of their time quoting scripture to justify their actions.

If it was written in the Qur'an that gays should be dressed in purple jackets and treated like royalty, that's what ISIS would be doing. They're literalists to that extent.

you should check some history.

Look for "convivencia" in spain for instance.

>ISIS literally spend all of their time quoting scripture to justify their actions.
Yeah, like evangelicals.

>None of these are allowed in my personal interpretaton of Islam, sorry.

Fixed that for you

and evangelicals are christians

So you've studied the Qur'an?.

Your point?

>and evangelicals are christians
Hahah, oh, that's a good one.

>ISIS literally spend all of their time quoting scripture to justify their actions.
They don't though. ISIS by and large totally ignore the Qur'an.
No, it's right there in the pages, its clear as day, the only verses referring to killing people who are the ones constantly spouted clearly refer to a historical event.

corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=2&verse=191

You can lie in real life, but on the internet, the sources does say this.

Its a myth.

All you need to do is look at Islam major countries to see if "co-existence" is possible or not. Protip: Its not.

Yeah but you don't have Christian fundamentalists running around killing people and committing other terrible crimes. The worst I've seen is honestly is weirdo televangelists saying gays should be killed but I have yet to witness this happening, let alone at any rate comparable to Islamic fundamentalists

>They don't though. ISIS by and large totally ignore the Qur'an.
Wew mate

IRA are pretty bad.

>ISIS literally spend all of their time quoting scripture to justify their actions.
So muslims shouldn't justify their beliefs with their holiest book?

K-E-K

Now who's saying ISIS isn't Islamic?

The IRA wasn't specifically about Christianity. This meme needs to die. While current Islamic fundamentalists have these jihads specifically because of Islam.

Convivencia in iberia is a myth?
WTF?.

>All you need to do is look at Islam major countries to see if "co-existence" is possible or not.

Historically it was.

Because all their energy is spent in trying to control a huge government apparatus, the same way the Muslim Brotherhood parties tend to not run around killing people either.

Take the ideology and put it someplace with shitty government and poverty, and you get gays and witches burned alive in Africa.

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But regardless, lets just examine this

>And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you
>expel them from wherever they have expelled you
>they have expelled you
So fight people who have expelled you from your homes. Got it.

>fitnah is worse than killing.
Fitnah = Persecution, affliction, stress. Here the Qur'an is saying that people who persecute others are worse than murderers.

And now lets look at the very next verses.

> And if they cease, then indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.
If they stop fighting you, then stop fighting them.

>But if they cease, then there is to be no aggression except against the oppressors.
I don't even need to explain that one.

Context, it's important.

Also to anyone denying that ISIS is Islamic is delusional. They do cite all of their actions from the Koran and the hadiths. They have international support from Islamic scholars and imams. They have been reduced to making phone calls to police saying 'hey I'm doing this because of Islam please actually believe me this time instead of blaming yourselves'

Islamic terror before ISIS wasn't specifically about Islam either. Osama gave a list of reasons for 9/11 none of which included Islam but all of which included things such as US foreign intervention and a specific place bombed in Lebanon i believe, by the US.

It's only ISIS who have become specifically all about Islam, and yet its of note that even other so called Islamic terrorist groups denounce them. And another thing of note is the only people fight ISIS are other Muslims.

>Yeah but you don't have Christian fundamentalists running around killing people and committing other terrible crimes.
You used to. ISIS are pretty much Medieval Protestants.

You can't talk about Islamic history anymore. People are either going to go full SJW and say Muslims literally invented everything and Europe should suck their dick or go full /pol/ and say Muslims stole everything, contributed nothing to world and should be glassed.

I hate when people fucking project and retroactively judge history because of geopolitical issues a fucking millennium later.

Is weird that they dont attack israel isn't?

newramblerreview.com/book-reviews/history/andalusia-or-the-legend-of-islamic-spain

Spain was an ideal "convivencia" if you were a muslim. This is what muslims call tolerance. Reality of the matter was, persecution, beheadings were common, even after they pay their protection money to the Muslim rulers. In theory, this protection money granted them safety, but theory and practice are not same.

>Historically it was
What muslim major country was historically tolerant of non-muslims? Is this the same "tolerance" as above?

Yeah and Slavs take up Nazism when Nazism hates slaves. Just because someone does something in the name of something doesn't mean that thing has to support what they do.

I could kill people in the name of Mathematics and have a Mathematician back me up, doesn't means Math is murder.

Current year meme incoming

I'm here taking the middle ground and being ignored. You are part of the problem because you assume everyone is either one side or another.

>They have been reduced to making phone calls to police saying 'hey I'm doing this because of Islam please actually believe me this time instead of blaming yourselves'
Obligatory

The difference is rule of law. Even if Christian fundamentalists became president or had a majority of Congress they still cannot legalize killings of gays.

And Christianity is practiced in shitty places. In fact they're routinely genuinely crucified and subjugated paying the Jizya in several Islamic countries.

Also sorry if not making sense I'm really tired. Idk if I'm coherent or not

>Yeah, it's totally a myth, see this book by a pro-Catholic historian specializing in the society that based its entire identity on demonizing and destroying the Moors published by a conservative press.

Gays are jailed in the majority of the Islamic world, not killed. Iran has the highest rate of sex changes in the world because they'd rather gays become women than jail or kill them.

And you'd agree on the Muslim scholar's POV in saying Spain was a heaven for multiculturalism during Islamic reign? That it was heaven for Christians living under muslim rulers?

Do you dispute the fact that christians were forced to pay their non-muslim tax? Do you dispute the fact that they were killed, crucified, or beheaded?

This shouldn't be a surprise. You're taking this as a singular existence. During the medieval period, almost everyone was like this. Trying to say Islamic rule was a safe heaven is just full on SJW.

Tl;DR you've got SJW goggles.

Not him but it's quite wildly believed and known that by medieval standards Islamic Spain was probably the most tolerant place for various faiths and cultures in Europe.

You only disagree because politically in the 21st century you hate Muslims. Get a life and stop trying to bend history to fit your agenda.

>If you don't believe my bullshit, you must believe this strawman! I can't believe you believe this strawman!

Persians still have many of the same cultural and socio-ethnic customs they have had for thousands of years before and currently under Islam.

Israel has enough Bullshit to deal with Muslim wise. ISIS knows how the coalition with Israel works anyway. If they genuinely land an attack on Israel, the whole world will glass the middle east.
I'm not saying Islam is murder. I'm saying fundamentalist practices of Islam are. Christians and Jews had the same problem but they have reformed. If Islam reformed people wouldn't equate it to murder. ISIS is just Islam taken to the logical extreme. It's not invalid Islam, just very.. Pious? Islam idk the word