Tell me about Yugoslavia's economy

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>yugoslavia
>was
whats the problem?

He also was a dictator who was killing his own people who didnt agree with him all the time and any sense of ur precommunis culture or herritage was suppressed also was funding his economy on americen give aways and loans and after his death his commesars went into capitalism and destroyed every bit of economy what it even had because it was all nobodys and everybodys ownership so why not destroy and take the bits they r enogue for u while ur still in power

I dunno, man
I kinda want to see it with Pesci playing just Leo Getz as Tito

Yugoslavian economy was based on weak cooperation with Nehru and Naser to give at least some illusion of functioning socialist utopia while at the same time borrowing absurd amounts of money from european and american banks with intention of being a buffer zone between the East and the West. There was a reason why Stalin tried to eliminate Tito (he played ball with the French, English and Americans rather than him) after Tito famously said 'No' in a phone call to Stalin (which was also a myth perpetrated by Yugonostalgics), which was simply saying 'I rather like these loans, I dont need your bullshit comrade'.
After his death it was evident that the debt will only rise and that all (soon to be) former members of the SFRJ would have to share the debt and repay it.

>source: born in Yugoslavia, live in ex yugo country.

Ah yes,the famous theorem of Yugoslavia being nothing more buy a prepaid buffer zone for hire,it's just a shame that it was never proven or at least substantiated into a somewhat researchable theory.

>born in Yugoslavia, live in ex-Yugo country

Croatia or Slovenia,I presume ?They're usually the most fervent supporters of this belief,mostly because it helps them cope with the fact that their ruling parties haven amounted to nothing and that their countries are plunging even further into an abyss.

>on weak cooperation with Nehru and Naser
You call something that placed the expansion of both blocs to a temporary hold a"weak cooperation" .

What is Hermann Göring doing there?

I've read a guy saying that there were production problems iirc, he said there were even some cases of people who didn't show up for work in years, is that so?

It was fucked by taking loans to expand the personal goods sector and industrial sector at the same time.

>Svetovid
>it's you who are biased not me

>were production problems
They were,but such issues were isolated phenomenons.

> said there were even some cases of people who didn't show up for work in years

Sadly he's right.There were many who've abused the worker's privileges,and all on the expense of the state.

Just because I've taken a deep interest in Slavic history doesn't mean that I'm biased.

Also,not at argument.

The Loans were mostly taken for the expansion of the personal goods sector.

I agree, you're this and this and that's why you're wrong is not an argument. In other threads you obviously present yourself as biased and defensive beyond arguments. Enjoy defending superior Slavic people forever.

>They were,but such issues were isolated phenomenons
Was there private business? Were there mostly state companies or cooperatives?

>Sadly he's right.There were many who've abused the worker's privileges,and all on the expense of the state.
Did those people literally not set foot at their workplace for years while cashing a check or is that a figurative expression meaning they had lax work control? If it's literal, how did that happen?

The"not an argument" is a reference to Steven's tendency to dismiss people who have a different opinion.

> as biased and defensive beyond arguments
Is that how you call articulately defending my point of view within the boundaries of the ongoing argument?

> Enjoy defending superior Slavic people
What you call "defending" ,I call being historically literate.

Private enterprise was a very common sight and cooperatives were more common than state-owned companies,but state-owned companies were more powerful because they were financed by the state.

>Did those people literally not set foot at their workplace for years while cashing a check or is that a figurative expression meaning they had lax work control?
A bit of both,but less of the latter.

> If it's literal
Favoritism is that part of our collective mentality which was difficult to erode,at least completely.

Could you, for example, own a cake shop and have two employees then?
Regarding the other topic, how did these people get money? If they showed up at their workplace only to get their paycheck. wouldn't their work mates go "what are you doing here if you never show up?"? This is why I asked you if it was a literal expression.

Doesn't look like him at al.

Doesn't look like him at all.

Of course,you could even have chains.

> If they showed up at their workplace only to get their paycheck. wouldn't their work mates go "what are you doing here if you never show up?

They would,many have made complains about it,some were successful and some weren't,but generally speaking,people've made a lot of money and were mostly uninterested in such "minor technicalities" .

So it was semi capitalistic/semi socialist?

But they had the nerve to face their workmates everytime they went to get the paycheck? Or did they get the paycheck outside their workplace? And for how many years did these people get money without working? And how usual were cases like this? And how were these people penalized?

Thanks for the answers, a really interesting topic.

Goering was fat and ugly

Tito was dadbod as fuck

It was ok until the oil crisis. Then it went to shit, not necessarily because of the economy as such, but because it started being terribly mismanaged. I.e. inflation was allowed to skyrocket etcetc.

(You)

Yes, I am Croatian and yes our government ducks us in the ass where and when they can.
But that doesnt change the fact that Yugoslavia, although an interesting project of the West nevertheless was a communist dictatorship with reeducation prisons, one-party government and terrible, terrible economy. Only people defending the claim that Yugoslavia was great and mighty (muh expansive economy, muh fifth stronkest army in Europe) were Titos elite party members and their families, and some pensioners who's moms and dads were partisans and had gotten hefty pensions from the Party.
So which one are you Sveto? Mommy and daddy had political ties in Belgrade?
Yes that is all true. Everyone DID have a job but only a few really did work. It was simple populist propaganda stating that there were no unemployed in Yugoslavia, which famously resulted in retarded cases where lets say a shoe factory had hyperproduction problems but people had to get coupons for bread or simply smuggle it.

>'isolated phenomenons'
'Why did Tito take loans to save the crumbling economy?'
-isolated phenomenons comrade, go back to work.
'Why do we have old rifles and no food comessar?'
-isolated phenomenons comrade, everybody have shitty rifles'

Yugoslavia was pretty much an isolated phenomenon, but a bad one

It's radical

>So which one are you Svetovid?
A descendant of Bosnian nobility who had their entire property nationalized,but still used for constructive means.

>which famously resulted in retarded cases where lets say a shoe factory had hyper-production problems but people had to get coupons for bread or simply smuggle it

Isolated cases.

Tito took some loans because his country was thoroughly ravaged in World War II and because she wasn't a recipient of the Marshall Plan,which transformed Western Europe into what she is today.

>-isolated phenomenons comrade, go back to work.
'Why do we have old rifles and no food comessar?'
-isolated phenomenons comrade, everybody have shitty rifles

Comparing Yugoslavia to the Soviet Union,how "American" of you.

> but because it started being terribly mismanaged. I.e. inflation was allowed to skyrocket

Good point,I've completely forgotten about it.

>'Bosnian nobility'
That's what we call an oximoron kids

>oximoron
You sure are one

Open the Fojnica Armorial and search for the families of Alaupovic and Resic.

>absurd amount of money
Croatia is literally more indebted today, even when you convert dollar value.
Besides, debts only accumulated after 1976.

Not really. Much of South Slavic nobility converted to Islam, so many of today's ''bey families'' as we call them have very old roots.

If it's not too much of a bother, I'd like you to answer my questions , and I won't bother you with anymore questions about Yugo economy in this thread lol.

So it was a majority? Surely you must be exxagerating, right?
I just can't imagine many people literally not going to work for years.

It was a fusion of both systems,but with leaning preference towards socialism.

There were many people who've been receiving payment for absolutely,but they certainly weren't the majority,just a well a known minority.

>Surely you must be exaggerating
Ignore him,he is Croatian,they tend to be cross at Yugoslavia because she's made it impossible to pleasure Germany' massive phallus for nearly half a century.

This song embodies the collective mindset of all Croatians:youtube.com/watch?v=2ua1WB-fovQ

t.Serb

Yugoslavia wasn't as shitty as the Warsaw pact but it still wasn't a pretty sight you retard, and the KoY wasn't any better.

sl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cestna_afera

It's alright Slovene,this conversation isn't monitored by either the Austrian Geheimdienst nor the German Federal Intelligence Service.

Observe the perfidious Serb. After his crimes and blatant abuses of power have been exposed, he resorts to blatant shitposting.

> liberate your fellow Slavs from Teutonic and Muslim oppression
> they hate you for it

Slovenes are literally the only good non-Serb ethnicity from ex-Yu

Please,almost the entire precise industry was stationed in Slovenia,you call that a "form of neglect" ?

>to the proposal from the international credit released two motorway sections in Slovenia Hoce - Levec and Postojna - Razdrto

You've entered "eternal victim mode" because your proposal to build a highway under forced circumstances was rebuffed.

Basically,you've begun to develop anti-federation tendencies because one single thing wasn't approved to you.If this isn't the pinnacle of Slovene selfishness and immaturity,then I don't know what is.

It's okay guys, this is an isolated phenomenon, long live comrade Tito and the party.

Why do ex-Yugoslav countries that are the most successful now, like Croatia and Slovenia, hate Tito now? My parents are from Montenegro, which was back then dirt poor, and they still love him

Plenty of older people are still nostalgic for the "good old day".
Some of them, along with a bunch of younger people bought into the "persecuted christians" and "supression of regional ethnicity" memes.

Then you have the wiki warriors who look at the GDP charts and realise the country being under "socialism" seriously impacted economic growth and this causes negative feelings, especially if you're an unemployed NEET.

Even though the standards of living were significantly significantly higher in Yugoslavia?

Besides, debts only accumulated after 1976.

Between 1979 and 1985 the Yugoslav dinar plunged from 15 to 1,370 to the U.S. dollar, half of the income from exports was used to service the debt, while real net personal income declined by 19.5%.As I've said before,the Inflation was a problem.Also,the reason why the Yugoslav dinar plunged into the deep bowls of the abyss is because Yugoslavia(under Markovic) agreed to even more sweeping economic reforms, which included a new devalued currency(the one that you've posted).

By the end of 1989 inflation reached 1,000%.in 1989, Ante Marković introduced his last program of economic reforms. Ten thousand Dinars became one "New Dinar", pegged to the German Mark at the rate of 7 New Dinars for one Mark. The sudden end of inflation brought some relief to the banking system. Ownership and exchange of foreign currency was deregulated which, combined with a realistic exchange rate, attracted foreign currency to the banks. However, by the late 1980's, it was becoming increasingly clear that the federal government was effectively losing the power to implement its program , mostly because they've begun dealing in the recent devalued currencies.

>Even though the standards of living were significantly significantly higher in Yugoslavia?

wew
I guess this is the part where you tell me the global anglo-aryan conspiracy doctored the graphs and the recalculated HDI of Yugoslavia would've been 1.150

You can clearly see the dip where the Western powers screwed over Serbia with terrorist bombings and secessionism

> BiH having a higher standard of living than Serbia, ever

wewewewewewew

>knowing how to read graphs

don't worry, they teach you that by the end of primary school

Once again, proof that Serbs are retards, as if more was needed

Yes because forbiding Slovenia from a new motorway because "you already have enough roads lol" is a completely defensible position.
Cestna Afera and the susbsequent imprisonement of based Kavčič, the only SRS president I respect because he didn't spend his manadate sucking Beograd's dick, proves that Yugoslavia was just another Serb ploy to control the Balkans.

>Croatia and Slovenia, hate Tito now
Wat? Who hates them?