How is "degeneracy" bad?
After all, it's only thanks to this "degeneracy" that you neckbeards speak of that I can enjoy certain rights previously unavailable to my kind, such as marrying my partner and being able to extend my job benefits to him, and being able to be employed without being fired simply for my orientation. How is this inherently 'bad'? Does it personally affect you, or really anyone?
It's not. Degeneracy is a spook
Because internet reactionaries are butthurt that no one wants to fuck them, drink with them, do drugs with them, or otherwise interact with them, so they want to deny everyone else the same.
Good old fashioned envy.
gay pride parades are annoying
in fact, identity politics is annoying
No one's forcing you to attend them.
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and i still find them annoying
why should you be proud of who you like to fuck?
pretty dumb tbqh
It's just reactionaries and alt-rightists from /pol/ who really care about "degeneracy"
>why should you be proud of who you like to fuck?
Because homosexuals still face some level of prejudice, even in the developed world. Though there are laws to protect them and allowing them to marry, they are largely still subject to ridicule/scorn/apprehension from family and friends and acquaintances and even people on the streets. It isn't incomprehensible that they organize these parades to have a day to actually vent.
>why should you be proud of who you like to fuck?
Then why don't you complain about people who parade around other innate traits? Why should one be proud of where one was born, for example?
but I do
notice how I said "identity politics are annoying"
So no one should be proud of anything?
No one should be proud of something they have no control over. Being proud of your race/sexuality/nationality/gender is no different than being proud of being left/right handed. The only thing you can be rightly proud of are your own accomplishments.
>Does it personally affect you
What you described means literally that you're being allocated resources partially produced by me by virtue of being different from me. So yeah, it personally affects me negatively and that's bad.
That said, degeneracy doesn't have a real definition so this thread is fucking stupid.
i fail to see how putting bagina on bagina or benis on butthole :-DDD is something worthy of blocking off access to streets where people work and stuff
>I'm gay
Tell me about your dysfunctional childhood
Because your twisted way of life is not sustainable. The entire trajectory of social leftism has set a course for the destruction of civilization
Project harder.
I'm gay and a reactionary.
Reacting to a BBC by salivating doesn't qualify you as being a reactionary user
It's like faith vs works, it's necessary but not enough
>Buzzwords: the post
Being an anti-modernist monarchist does, though.
The same people parading "degeneracy" are also trying to import people who hate your guts by the thousands. Pulse is just the beginning.
You're gay I assume. I'm bi myself but disagree with gay marriage. Marriage has always has been a union to join men and women together to raise children. Why suddenly change the definition just to make gays feel nice? They can have legal rights, but we shouldn't change the definition of marriage and force churches to marry them.
Only of his race and nationality :^)
You're really pathetic.
"Look, I'm not like all the other gays - I'm one of the good gays! I'm different from all those degenerates (that I have never met). Will you please accept me now?"
>The same people parading "degeneracy" are also trying to import people who hate your guts by the thousands.
What. I'm pretty sure reactionaries are not the same as the cuckservatives importing Muslims.
>After all, it's only thanks to this "degeneracy" that you neckbeards speak of that I can enjoy certain rights previously unavailable to my kind, such as marrying my partner and being able to extend my job benefits to him, and being able to be employed without being fired simply for my orientation. How is this inherently 'bad'? Does it personally affect you, or really anyone?
Your potential children don't exist because degeneracy allows you to pretend that your lifestyle is comparable to one based around child-rearing and family. Your "partner" is a faggot and so are you; you don't deserve to be together. Society doesn't deserve to have weights like you dragging it down. I don't deserve to have to see you and your faggot comrades shaking your dicks in pride parades, and I don't deserve to be berated for not wanting to pay attention to your pride parades.
>you neckbeards
You are beyond pathetic.
t. gay man
You marrying another man is making a mockery of the institution of marriage.
But to be fair, marriage and the family have been dead for half a century. I don't care of you rape it's decayed corpse.
Please tell me how I am a "weight dragging [society] down".
>I don't deserve to have to see you and your faggot comrades shaking your dicks in pride parades, and I don't deserve to be berated for not wanting to pay attention to your pride parades.
I don't deserve having to hide all my life and having to marry a woman I am not attracted to simply to satisfy people who mostly base their dislike of an innate trait on a book from a religion demonstrated to be man-made and without supernatural agency.
And nobody is "berating" you for not wanting to pay attention to pride parades, bitch. I don't go to pride parades, and have never even seen one. You sound extremely autistic.
I dislike gays because on average gays have serious mental issues and are generally unhinged people and enabling them is as dangerous as it is irresponsible.
But because most gays are unhinged trying to point out that maybe their sexual orientation and rates of suicide, substance abuse, propensity to gather STDs (sometimes on purpose no less), and rate of domestic violence might have a correlation gets me called a bigot and a bastard. I don't care who you're fucking or why as long as it's consensual, but these issues in the gay community are rampant and anyone trying to figure out the source or solution is compared to mega satan hitler bush and that's fuckin stupid.
This, degeneracy and all other /pol/ buzzwords are a spook.
mistreated dogs also are unhinged and destructive, it doesn't mean "dogs" in general are unhinged and destructive. i think you'll find that all you have to do is not mistreat dogs, and the mental issues that cause problems in dogs will go away.
Not him, but I think it's more of a societal issue more than an individual issue.
I think the main problem is that we've normalized the concept of homosexuality as an identity. Sure, there have always been people who engaged in gay sex, but it was always considered more in the realm of a vice or fetish. But when homosexuality is legitimized as an identity, it reframes an issue of social vice into a civil rights issue. We allow a high risk and anti-procreation behavior to become a protected class, which reinforces it as a normal and acceptable lifestyle as successive generations are raised and educated to view homosexuality as a core part of a person's identity which should be celebrated.
For example, consider a different kind of antisocial behavior like alcoholism. There have always been varying levels of problem drinkers, and there is evidence that alcoholism is genetic. We view alcoholics sympathetically, since it is usually not their choice to be that way, but it is still treated as a serious societal problem that "drags society down" in lost productivity, medical expenses, and dysfunctional social/familial effects.
What do you think would happen if we legitimized alcoholism as an identity? Would it be bad to make drunks a protected class, thereby immunizing alcoholics from criticism and societal consequences for their harmful behavior? Would there be negative consequences for teaching children that being a fall down drunk is a normal or desirable behavior, and that alcoholics are just as capable of being productive members of society and raising healthy families? Would it be a net good for society if the government created legislation making it illegal for Child Protective Services to take children out of homes with alcoholic parents?
That said, I don't think of it as you personally "dragging society down" in any significant sense, more that you are part of a system that reinforces and normalizes harmful behavior.
You forgot to make the case that homosexuality is as harmful as alcoholism
>a group that is marginalized and still subject to widespread discrimination develops a high level of substance abuse, mental illness and suicide, and sexual frustration (and propensity for risky sex)
>"omg this must mean gays are inherently bad!"
Holy shit, you're a fucking mong.
>but it was always considered more in the realm of a vice or fetish. But when homosexuality is legitimized as an identity
Wrong. There have always existed exclusive homosexuals who preferred their same sex over the opposite sex to the point of exclusion. It was not a niche kink or a fetish, any more than my current homosexuality is a kink or a fetish.
Not that guy but I don't really understand that whole gay pride thing. Loving being gay isn't an achievement, neither is something like belonging to a specific ethnicity. Also, pride is a spook. Don't get me wrong, though, I'm still cool with gays and lesbians.
>Loving being gay isn't an achievement
I'd argue it IS an achievement, considering how a very large amount of homosexuals experience intense feelings of self-loathing during parts of their lives.
Where are we coming from? The middle ages. Where dumb fantasy could get you tortured and killed. It is degeneracy. It is sodomism that one preference is thrown down the throat before any chance to think or talk. The gay organisation works like Romans. That it does is a leftover from one or other mad thing medieval like. So to you: I can't and don't blame you for this static elephant organisational thing.
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doing okay bud?
Where are these nice news articles about all the hidden children that probably exist because of current day policy. In Arabic countries it is something different. Or has a different status, whatever.
Okay?
>hidden children
So from birth
That's not relevant to anything I said.
I admit I'm a pretty sad figure myself but at least I don't try to stop everyone else from having fun because of it.
Tolerance and diversity are strength
Nah senpai. These feelings arise from being attracted to a certain group of people. They are not standing in the way of this attraction, which would justify pride. If you'd call all this "coming-out-pride", I wouldn't say a thing but being homosexual is not something to take pride in.
Well, just to lighten the personal or otherwise pain that this meme could bring up
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I don't need to make that case, I am arguing that homosexuality is a harmful social behavior in the same vein as alcoholism. Whether homosexuality is as or more harmful than alcoholism is irrelevant. The main issue with homosexuality is that we treat it as an identity, making legitimate criticisms of the harmful effects of what was once seen as a vice taboo, thus the comparison.
I personally am inclined to believe there is a strong correlation with homosexuality to numerous health issues, such as a high risk of disease transmission, drug/alcohol abuse, suicide and mental disorders, and sexual/domestic abuse, not to mention the obvious anti-procreation effects.
We could argue all day over the validity of these claims, but IMO the single biggest problem is that discussion of these issues is now considered bigotry in polite society, which makes any meaningful criticism on the potential harm to society or public health risk from a homosexual lifestyle effectively impossible.
That was really dumb.
Diversity is disunity. This is a fact of life, caused by innate human tribalism - which is both a gift and a curse, since the same societal units it forms and which empower their members are vulnerable to getting torn apart by it. ANY difference between people in the population is a crack in your society's defenses. It destroys your ability to stand against enemies from without and creates new enemies within.
Degeneracy is a symptom of divergence of purpose. It doesn't personally affect anyone, but it indirectly affects everyone, and therefore it should be constantly guarded against and repressed.
If you are a deviant and you don't make an effort to conform, you are a traitor and should be purged.
Dogs are also subhuman in the eyes of the law and can be put down at the drop of a hat. They are forced to conform to society's expectations or else. Is the solution than to treat gays the same?
>Wrong. There have always existed exclusive homosexuals who preferred their same sex over the opposite sex to the point of exclusion. It was not a niche kink or a fetish, any more than my current homosexuality is a kink or a fetish.
I am not disputing this, my argument is that treating homosexuality as an identity morally equivalent to normative heterosexual marriage/family structure is unprecedented in any other society.
Could you please provide examples to the contrary? Because I am unaware of any historical society with views on homosexuality anywhere comparable to ours.
Anyone who rails against social liberalism is just a close minded bigot.
No tolerance of intolerance.
- Can't play rich isolated Merica or Europe-village-compound
- Peaceful investments and contacts turn out to be most profitable and realistic. Looking at all the possibilities-Though I think I need criticism about this. I think it is true, but I'm afraid about some sort of momentum
>a group that is marginalized
Please tell me when did you see a bad faggot characters on mainstream TV, Movies, Songs, comic books, in fact point at any western nation that does discrimination (I.E. laws preventing faggots to work, go to uni, etc.) to faggots.
I too like memes my good sir. :^]
Reactionaries are the ones initiating the intolerant behavior so not a paradox
Aw yes. You? Why do you ask?
No, intolerance is the baseline. Why do you think reactionaries are called reactionaries? Things are intolerant, liberals try to change things to be more tolerant, reactionaries react to change things back.
livescience.com
livescience.com
No, reactionaries fundamentally cannot be the initiator, that's why we call them REACTionaries.
They are reactionaries exactly because the concept of No tolerance of intolerance is an established societal norm. How can there be a backlash to something that doesn't exist prior to the backlash?
Tribalism is an innate human reflex, it's naive to think otherwise.
Real degeneracy is bad, but /pol/ want to pretend that they are heroes for fighting with shit that just feels bad instead of really harmful one.
>implying number of deaths is the best way to rank how harmful something is.
How else are you going to measure how harmful something is.
> ANY difference between people in the population is a crack in your society's defenses.
You literally actively make things worse, when you try to divide population into some kind of epic fight. Deviants and normal-fags should be united against our common enemies like radical Muslims not shit on each other for retarded reasons. I mean just by proposing purges you already playing for the force that divides society. If you want united society, its in your best interest to ignore smallest differences. You are the literal traitor, if you want to purge your own people and pretext that you use hardly matter.
His feelings.
It just so happens that reactionaries paint their 'tribe' and opposing 'tribes' differently from the real time tribal leaders and vast majority of functional tribal members. Their tribe, being 'white' isn't even a fucking coherent tribe because the word means nothing if not compared to atrocious historical precedents or if only to be contrarian to SJWs. kys
I'd say I see soundness. What do you think about or do you have any thought about enormous strong powers of the truth and this unity if it is about ''' GET ''''. So this is so strong that it could start from here or some other place. If it is this actual truth and things, it actually has this miraculous power of military and economy. Even without being violent if it comes to military.
you got a source fo dat chart
Who's more harmful, the serial killer who kills 50 people or the traitor who opens the gates without spilling a drop of blood?
Not who you're replying to, but are these even coherent sentences? Could you rephrase whatever you're trying to say in a clearer way?
Well, how many people get killed because of the guy opening the gates?
>Fuck societal cohesion and shared values and shit, I can't put that shit on a graph so it ain't a problem!
> lmao just be tolerant
That sure did work in Yugoslavia or Lebanon or Israel!
Even shit like political affiliations have this effect. Rhetoric between leftists and rightists has reached vitriol levels not seen since the Great Depression and the rise of Fascism and Communism. In the modern day we're seeing places like Germany and Sweden actively ignore such divisions and finally begin paying the price for them, while radical feminists have received an ever-greater following preaching against literally half of the population. These things must be preemptively checked, either by forced cleansing or forced assimilation and racemixing, depending on your particular country and prevailing ideology.
Racialism is a shitty substitute for proper ethnic nationalism. White / black nationalists are retards who assume everyone of their race would be grateful for their actions, and are only enabled by America's immigrant culture destroying rich ethnic histories and replacing them with caricatures of purity and supremacy for whites and virtue-signalling, ridiculous names and customs for blacks. But that's a tangent that's actually unimportant.
You've misunderstood my ideology. Minorities are the ones that must be purged. If hypothetically a country had a majority gay population, the straight people would also be in the line of fire; if a country has a white minority, tough luck, they're gone.
This
en.wikipedia.org
There exist other measures like days of life lost or a disability-adjusted life years, but not many really interested in that theme to form a perfect method. So you at best can put things in perspective here.
I don't want to be cohesive with fat fucks and smokers, user.
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The quirk is that when reversed, SOME of these works for te another side.
Quick example: bakeries shouldn't have to bake for gay couples, Social Media private companies should service all users equally.
How many people die from a gate opening? None. Of course, things might get hairy when the enemy army strolls on in.
fuck the middle class, total degenerates
she's even drawn to look like she's made of straw. pretty clever
That's fucking stupid.
You are a member of a society, that society prospers or fails based on the contributions and accomplishments of you along with millions of others. Your ancestor's contributions and accomplishments are what enabled that society to exist and remain prosperous long enough for you to benefit from it.
It is not wrong to be proud of a group's accomplishments and history if you are a contributing member of that group. I think what is more likely is that people like you can't feel proud of their society because they do not contribute to it's success or are a drain on it's resources and productivity. Rather than actually work to be able to give back to the society that enabled their existence, they instead try to convince everyone else to not be proud of contributing so they don't feel so shitty about being a useless piece of shit.
> Yugoslavia
Was destroyed by people who put their nationality before their citizenships. When you put something before your nation, you destroy it. It doesn't matter if its your ethnicity, your normal faggotry or even a political views. Let's purge all people who would be okay with your culture if not your purges! It is main way to made the nation weaker, as most societies was destroyed because of traitors who was willing to put their insignificant identity before true unity of the people. You can see how a logic of preemptive checks works in case of radical feminists. Fighting possible discrimination before it happens is a main part of their rhetoric and made all of things fucking worse. Because fighting imaginary traitors are just that retarded, it slowly destroys unity of the people.
the fuck are you babbling about homo
i bet you wiped a fucking tear from your eye when you typed that lmao
degenerates seemed to be opposed to my existence
ergo, I oppose degenerates
I mean, I used to try to stick up for them because I wanted to be nice to everyone, and I believe in live and let live, but they just wanted to attack me or tell me how to live (because I'm a fucking white male).
And furthermore, they justify everything by 'It's for your own good/for the greater good', which is incredibly patronizing.
>It is not wrong to be proud of a group's accomplishments and history if you are a contributing member of that group.
I agree, but at that point you're being proud because of your contributions to the group, not just because you belong to the group.
You are an abomination to God and nature and should be killed. Also fuck of to reddit
> Your ancestor's contributions
It isn't necessary the ancestors as there could be the positive foreign influence i.e. people in Europe, that invented things that are useful world wide and aren't really related to say Japanese who use that.
> It is not wrong to be proud of a group's accomplishments and history if you are a contributing member of that group.
I agree here, but many proud group identity people aren't really contributing members. It is very likely, that people who doesn't contributes would mask it by saying that he is a part of successful group, so he himself is a successful one. So it works a both ways.
Yeah, feels good man.
Are you so buttmad because I reminded you that you're just nihilistic to cover up the fact that you are a drain on society, or were you planning on proving me wrong?
There is no difference between reddit and Veeky Forums.
If you are tolerant of every ideology and don't preemptively guard and protect your national spirit, or are possessed of too many different identities in one whole, you are directionless and cannot achieve anything.
If you have one vision and one united people, you can achieve many otherwise impossible things.
Any state that has divisions within it has potential breaking points. If you were willing to put the true unity of the people first, you would want to crush the lesser identities at any cost. Arguing that unity is achieved by ignoring differences is like arguing that harmony in the workplace is achieved by banning people from interacting.
> you are a drain on society
As excepted from the Veeky Forums user, to be honest. If you are so famous because of your contributions, why would you post in anonymous sheep fighting forum?
But the group exists in part because of you, your family, and your community's contributions, so is it only ok to be proud of your group while you are directly contributing to it?
Can you not be proud of your group after you retire? Can you be proud of your kids accomplishments? What about being proud of the previous members of the group whose accomplishments enabled you to inherit it?
So what? Envy is as valid a reason for action as anything else is.