Why didn't any western civilizations develop calligraphy in the same manner than Arabic and East Asians did? why is Greek or Roman or Germanic or Nordic calligraphy not present until the middle ages, and even then its primitive compared to the pictograms and highly developed art of brushstroke, character, persian calligraphic pictures, etc?
or was there, and I'm just ignorant to it?
Lucas Morales
At a total guess, it's probably because engraving was a big thing in Greece and Rome, don't really know about up north.
Writing on paper wasn't really done because writing on stone was where it was at.
Daniel Adams
makes sense
come to think of it, lithography is much more common in europe than it is in east asia (although they make woodblock prints)
Jace Cook
calligraphy in the Orient is treated as a fine art, and sometimes a craft, and many people make their living selling calligraphy. it also has religious and spiritual context, especially with Buddhism
in the west, its more of a novelty. the only time I've ever seen western calligraphy (outside of the middle ages) is in advertisements and at renaissance fairs (kek)
kind of strange
Caleb Hill
bump
Caleb Gray
Just a guess, but perhaps it easier or more convenient to make paper in the middle and far east than it is in europe
Cameron Moore
Caligraphy is retarded and designed to keep peasants barely literate
Jace Flores
Paper is convenient to make everywhere that's why it's made everywhere
Luis Cooper
>Why didn't any western civilizations develop calligraphy Because they made something better.
Hunter Parker
Today, maybe not 2000 years ago
Xavier Williams
Yes it was that's precisely why it replaced papyrus and parchment.
Jaxon Edwards
Obviously I meant paper-like materials as well as actual literal paper
Eli Robinson
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Jeremiah Ross
As retarded as he is if you honestly think environment has no impact on society you are insane
Gabriel Cox
You guys realize paper and related things like papyrus and bark paper are literally just wet plant fibres pressed into sheets?
The only places where it is truly hard to make a paper like substance are very dry deserts and icy wastes, and guess what, those places dont support complex societies anyway
Jose Green
Arabic calligraphy is an Islamic art. Part of its emergence may be understood as a result of the proscription on idolatry and the representation of Quranic scenes and prophets in images.
In China calligraphy probably emerges as a result of its non-phonetic, highly specialized writing system.
I find Arabic and Chinese calligraphy to be exceptionally beautiful. Anyone who says it's not art only needs give it a try themselves.
PS: there is a beautiful school of Chinese Arabic calligraphy developed by the Chinese Muslims since the 8th century or so. It approaches Arabic calligraphy using Chinese techniques. The results are fascinating.
Caleb Johnson
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Gabriel Allen
looks lige mongol script desu
Connor Mitchell
....they fucking did. Look up Illuminations and fancy gothic script.
Robert Hernandez
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Aiden Nguyen
Pleb tier, I blame guy who designed letters to be ugly and not calligraphic. We should've roll with based berber script.
Adam Cook
stranger, never considered that to be calligraphic. it just looks like a straight script that would have been printed easy to print on a press
Mason Roberts
What the fuck DO you consider calligraphy then?!
Just go to say the British Library website, go to the manuscripts section and look around.
Carter Walker
I meant in the sense of it being a fine art
I know its considered calligraphy, yeah. but its strange because its not really related in terms of intent. its just meant to be legible and convey information. a lot of eastern calligraphy is illegible, or written in ancient script that nobody else uses anymore
Jose Walker
Then you clearly haven't looked very hard at Western manuscripts.
Ryder Diaz
feel free to show me some examples of manuscripts that were not written with the purpose of being printable by press or conveying information, and were illegible to the audience and intended for fine art or spiritual purposes
I will commit sudoku on camera if you can manage it
Cameron Hernandez
>moving the goalposts >implying Eastern calligraphy isnt readable or is just scratches on paper
Oliver Ward
>moving the goalposts wow, what a retard. literally just repeated what I said in my last post, so no, its exactly the same goalposts. do you even speak english?
some of it is readable, but its not always the purpose. sometimes its more about the brush stroke, aesthetic, spiritual content, etc etc
Jace Miller
>why didnt they have calligraphy in the west >they did >but it was actually readable and wasnt just scribbles on a page to look artsy so it wasnt real calligraphy in my mind
>not moving the goal posts
Nathaniel Gonzalez
haha holy shit, your reading comprehension is beyond retarded levels. nowhere in my post did I say that the west didnt have calligraphy.