>To my knowledge, no one in or out of the field has ever been able to cite a game worthy of comparison with the great dramatists, poets, filmmakers, novelists and composers. That a game can aspire to artistic importance as a visual experience, I accept. But for most gamers, video games represent a loss of those precious hours we have available to make ourselves more cultured, civilized and empathetic.
Is he right, Veeky Forums?
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/v/ is shit. Media studies and cultural analysis fall perfectly in the field of humanities.
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For academics Ebert is the Guy Fieri of film criticism.
Play Kentucky Route Zero and The Stanley Parable if you have doubts about games being able to do interesting things with storytelling.
...and I mean actually play, not watch youtube videos.
>video games represent a loss of those precious hours we have available to make ourselves more cultured, civilized and empathetic.
>LOL Y DO JEPENES MAKE SHTTY PAINTINGS?
I've thought about a game as art. But yea hardly see it happening.
No, he isn't right. Just like DFW, he's just a Luddite asspained that people prefer the instant gratification of video games and television to books.
It's simple psychology though, and obviously about self-interest; a writer wants people to read his books, and not do something else, but I wish they would just be honest about that, instead of thinking they are so profound in their '''''''''criticism''''''' of modern entertainment.
this so much. Its all posturing
Games are like porn in that they solely facilitate dopamine release.
Video Games that present themselves as art generally cease being games to most.
Playing artsy video games is like masterbating to a Kubrick movie. Yeah there's a naked chick up every few minutes but that's all you can touch yourself to
>I've never played videogames, but here's my opinion on them
The Mad Man
They're a pretty young medium, so there hasn't been a Citizen Kane of gaming yet. There have been some games with interesting themes. Pathologic was a brutal, oppressive game that stirred feelings of despair of hopelessness well, as an example.
As I recall, Ebert later relented on his position on games, saying that they had artistic potential.
>There hasn't been a Citizen Kane of gaming yet
Looks like someone didn't play The Last Of Us
>Gamers tried to make it easy for me. Kellee Santiago, whose talk in defense of video games was the subject of my entry, offered to send a selection of games. But I didn't have a game machine. No problem. I heard from my fellow Chicago movie critic Steve Prokopy, better known as Capone of Ain't It Cool News. He has a friend who works at Sony Games, and through this friend I was offered a PlayStation 3 unit and a copy of "Flower," which Santiago produced. To install it and brief me, Steve would bring over Simeon Peebler, the chair of Games and Interactive Media at Chicago's Tribeca/Flashpoint Academy. Steve had the box waiting at his place, pre-loaded with several games.
>I stalled. I said I was headed for Cannes. I said I wasn't sure I should accept a gift from Sony. He said he'd wait until after Cannes. He said he'd see that the PlayStation was sent back to Sony when I was finished with it. I replied: "Gee, Steve...I dunno...sigh..."
>Actually, I did know. I knew (1) I had no desire to spend 20 to 40 hours (or less) playing a video game, (2) Whether I admired it or not, I was in a lose-lose position, and (3) I was too damned bull-headed. I guess the PlayStation is waiting for me even now in Capone's vault.
lol
>Veeky Forums in charge of taste in video games
Super underrated post
>to make ourselves more cultured, civilized and empathetic.
Said an obese man.
This picture is funny because now that all pro vidya is casual shit like ow and cs, gaming really is just kids toys again
>implication of overrated
Subtle
Good vidya is homeworld 1, quake cpma, bg2.
Clearly he hasn't played Morrowind.
Anyone who has played some actually good games knows that's wrong.
>there hasn't been a Citizen Kane of gaming yet
Doom.
Names of all the characters please? Already know the obvious ones (Giygas, Sephiroth, Ganondorf).
>god tier: a well written villain regardless of some nerd's edgy preference
Thing is, people play games for the gameplay.
People watch movies for their story within the length of a movie, they aren't judged like novels.
People play games for their gameplay, and secondarily the story that can be told through limited modes of play within the scale of one to 100ish hours. Yet they're judged on the scale of novels and movies.
You're comparing apples to oranges, and falling into the same memes any critic of a new medium does.
But it wasn't even rated
Elder God Tier right = Solidus Snake
Great Tier right = Dr. Breen
High Tier right = Jon Irenicus
That's all I know and I don't know if those are obvious to you, but there.
it's causal and pro at the same time because that's what keeps the sales demographics the widest.
Elements are introduced to allow semi-cometetive play at a relatively low skill level to make the game accessible to new players, but ideally designed to be taken to the moon. Think Othello; easy to learn, hard to master. it's what typifies good competitive design.
A question: what makes something artistic?
Why is a Kubrick movie more artistic than Independence Day?
Pathologic would be my vote too. Maybe Thief. My main requirement is that it uses the medium effectively, rather than try to be a movie and slap some half-hearted gameplay on as an afterthought. The game should be praiseworthy not the cutscenes.
Nuance, creativity, and craftsmanship relative to other pieces within the same media.
A movie could be dated and badly aged. But if it was doing new and interesting things for the time it was in, then it's a runner for the label.
I don't understand nuance (yes, I know, I'm not educated on the arts), would something like LOTR (the novels) be considered artistic
It was creative and it seems (to my pleb mind) to have good craftsmanship.
I'd describe nuance as attention to subtlety as a way of expressing a more full idea. Think the difference between a pan-american smile and a genuine crows-foot smile. Though it could just be worked into craftsmanship.
Idk, I'm kind of talking out of my ass here too. Anyways I love what I've read of those books, but start a thread about it on Veeky Forums and you're more or less guaranteed a shitstorm as to whether or not they're """good"""