Which American decade had the best culture and why is it the 90s?

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>no libshit media

That's not true at all. Political correctness was a huge issue in the early 1990s. It eventually quieted down before resurfacing in about 15 years. There was a resolution in Oakland in 1996 to teach children "Ebonics" that became extremely controversial.

This was also the decade that brought us the 24-hour news networks and thus the 24-hour news cycle, where you had a lot of people trying to fan the flames of controversy by talking about nothing. That and the rise of the internet meant people were starting to pick sources of information that agreed with their views and ignored everything else. This would become more apparent in the following decade, but it got its start in the 90s. Not to mention the political divide between Democrats and Republicans was growing steadily and they were becoming more blood enemies than colleagues across the aisle.

OJ Simpson trial comes to mind.

Baffles my mind that such a trial was so important to so many people.

It makes more sense to view that particular batch of cancer as something beginning with Nixon and steadily increasing in volume until it became the present day mess.

The internet was in its infant stage so not many were spouting shit on twitter or writing bullshit articles on the Huffington Post. Honestly what did you use the internet for back then besides shitty porn? Not much. Now its everywhere and shit gets around fast. Also the media wasn't as liberal as it is right now. Peter Jenkins anyone? Most anchormen who lived during America's formative years were still broadcasting at this time so not as much libshits as there are now.

>mfw remembering the late 90's and early 2000's backlash to Political Correctness

If you watch any popular entertainment, especially stuff on like Comedy Central, you can sort of see where there was the beginning of a resentment toward calling everything as racist, sexist or offensive and it wasn't just aimed at liberals either but sort of at anyone who wanted to promote "decency" etc. etc.

I can think of a lot of Equal Opportunity Offender type comedians that pretty much don't exist anymore. It's funny to think that was the direction our culture was moving in before it took a 180 into whatever the fuck its heading now. The first time I consciously remember the sort of outrageous proto-SJ type stuff was around 2008 when Obama first got elected and their was a huge backlash against that article published by the Washington Post titled something like "America has now entered a Post-Racial era".

People's beliefs and politics seemed a lot more innocent back then too. Now we have far right nationalist movements and the alt right as well as out and out far left marxists breaking into the political mainstream. I really miss the stability from that time period.

>Peter Jenkins

I'm sure he would've been glad to be remembered this way. Sort of.

Fuck I meant Peter Jennings.

>tfw that one episode of the Simpsons that took place almost entirely under the World Trade Center and had to be removed from all the networks

Celebrity worship seems to be ingrained in humanity. Combine that with all of our media outlets and herd mentality and before you know it a moment of someone's life can become a country-wide argument.

Prior to cable news networks and the internet, network news and newspapers had an interest in being as objective and nonpartisan in order to try and keep the widest possible audience. Now it's the opposite. You get views by being as inflammatory and extreme.

What I remember about 90s internet is a lot of people getting really fucking angry about Clinton.

This is now a 90s circlejerk thread. Post your 90s waifus.

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This is bait right? Grunge was what made late twenties white angst acceptable, the cartoons were all the first wave of mothers against violence bs, it was the beginning of everyone gets a trophy child rearing, wrestling was all the rage, and it was the time fucking rap-rock started

The media really is so far left compared to like 10 or even 5 years ago. I keep telling myself, "at least we aren't Europe". They may all have an NHS but fuck armed police crackdowns on retarded citizens using "hate speech" on facebook and twitter. I know some may roll their eyes when I compare arresting people for using the N word or sharing racist image macros on Facebook to being Orwellian but fuck its not far off really.

I just really hope our first amendment isn't "redefined" or "reinterpreted for the 21st century". Not that I think racial slurs are socially acceptable but I don't like the idea of limiting the content of speech unless absolutely necessary

1955-1965

A janitor could buy a fucking house, everyone was dressed to impress, and the economy was doing quite well.

Beats synth pop that makes you want to throw up, coked up queers grooving to disco, and a bunch of squares doing the rockabilly. And yeah mothers threw hissy fits at the cartoons but honestly who gave a single shit? Cartoons like Ren and Stimpy still aired without giving any concession to the crybabies. Now you have cartoons that try to be as PC as possible.

The only thing that suffered was the fashion.

>best music (grunge, rap, alternative renaissance)
top kek

>fuck armed police crackdowns on retarded citizens using "hate speech" on facebook and twitter

Twitter and FB are not political media channels. Stupid people believe they are, but the rampant censorship within them should show that they are obviously not. If you want to blame them for being too "left-leaning" blame capitalism for allowing it.

>I just really hope our first amendment isn't "redefined" or "reinterpreted for the 21st century". Not that I think racial slurs are socially acceptable but I don't like the idea of limiting the content of speech unless absolutely necessary.

No need to worry about that for a long time, user. Unlike almost any other country in the world except the UK, we have a long history of free speech as a fundamental right; Germany or France, for instance, have seldom had a real culture of free speech, despite posturing to the contrary. Free speech is much more entrenched here than elsewhere.

Additionally, all of the current Supreme Court justices take a very strongly favorable view of the First Amendment, liberals and conservatives alike, and consider ideas like hate speech or incitement (except in the most literal form of telling a rioting crowd to immediately burn down a building) as alien to free speech.

Synth pop sucks but it's the logical next step for electronica. Rap rock was for no one, it continued nothing and was followed by nothing. Grunge was emotional masturbation. And there may be censorship in some cartoons but not nearly to the extent there was in the nineties. Hell, even your example, great as ren and stimpy was, it was an exception, a response to the shit put out in the nineties. You'll never see a show like family guy or F is for family/ bojack horseman made back then. If it was colored in it was for kids and had to address certain tropes.

All the worst aspects of our life today (not including political stuff) started in the nineties and partly in the eighties.

There's a decent possibility, if free speech starts being restricted by private companies in response to market demand, that varuous social media will end up like the telegraph or telephone: as public utilities, and then any censorship would be illegal.

This.

European countries never adopted real democracy in the first place, only a convenient facade of it.

>you'll never see a show like family guy or F is for family/ bojack horseman made back then

I seem to remember literally the most important animated TV show in history happening in this period.

What? South park? The show that came out in '97 once again as a response to the past 7 years of bullshit? The nineties has gems but they were all a backlash against what was popular. Even fucking grunge.

I doubt it, the FCC had enough trouble implementing net neutrality as is. And that was just about the carriers. Making a platform or a forum a public utility would be a nightmare.

>if free speech starts being restricted by private companies in response to market demand, that varuous social media will end up like the telegraph or telephone: as public utilities, and then any censorship would be illegal.

2 things
1) I HIGHLY doubt that any social media site would be adopted as a part of the official US gov. utilities. I could see the internet as a whole, but not a few websites or app.
2) Then the only logical step would be to move past Capitalism

What? No, I am not talking about those services self censoring, which they should have a right to do since its a private service. I am talking about literal German police raiding the homes and apartments of far right retards posting stupid shit on facebook that happened last week.

The actual government police got involved

Well, I was going for the Simpsons.

They began in '89 and they're still running, but everyone knows them as a product of the 90s.

And the 90s era Simpsons was a truly glorious thing.

Agreed, it would take a lot of time and would be a large undertaking, but if it began to threaten the functioning of our democracy because the means of communication and dissemination of information and ideas are in private hands, then the government would probably find a way to step in, as they have in the past.

There would obviously be a fierce fight from Google, Facebook, etc., but so long as the civil population values free speech, it would get done. Maybe not as a public utility necessarily, but some type of regulatory scheme where legally defined "social media platforms" are prohibited from censoring content.

Germany =/= America
All of Europe can go full 1984 for all I care.

Okay I'll concede that. The Simpsons was pretty great.

>american
>culture

>2) Then the only logical step would be to move past Capitalism

I don't necessarily have a problem with this. I'm no commie, but massive concentrations of wealth lead to control of powerful institutions, and in the age of the Internet, the flow of information is big business. If control of the means of dissemination of information is in private hands, that is a legitimate problem in a liberal democracy that values individual freedoms.

Frankly, I've mostly been arguing with you because I'm a huge fan of 90s bands.

Nirvana, Rage Against the Machine, Tool, Failure, Hum, Slint, and a lot of others I'm forgetting.

Family Guy is censored to hell. And cartoons like Bojack and Family Guy are catered to an adult audience so of course more controversial stuff can pass. But if we're talking about kids cartoons censorship is much more prevalent now.

>You'll never see a show like family guy or F is for family/ bojack horseman made back then
Oh come on man, cartoons like Aeon Flux, Duckman, The Critic, and even live action sit-coms like Seinfeld played with the same ideas as those two (subpar) modern shows.

It's strange, but can you imagine if Eminem or the Man Show came out today? I realize these are early 2000s, but let's face it, Bush's first term, culturally speaking, was a 90s hangover.

What do you mean by "move past capitalism"? Because 99.9999% of retards who disavow captialism always propose mixed-market capitalist

If you're going to ironically say marxism then just go ahead and unplug/pawn your computer because youre too retarded to be using the Internet

>all other economic policies are bad mmmkay?
>Marxism is an economic policy now

It should be a game on this board to find the /pol/ tard who wandered onto the wrong thread.

>"You dare criticise my meme ideology? Y-Yeah well you uh... you go /pol/!!"

No I don't?

>any iteration of Marxism
>not economic

Yo, what did I tell you? Unplug that computer, you fucking idiot.

Marxism is analysis of socioeconomic policy, not an economic system you dipshit. It's like saying the US economy is Natural Selection.

Kek okay then why does this clearly have specific plans on how to reform economic policy then as alternative to capitalism? Sounds like literally exactly what I was talking about lol

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxism–Leninism

DUDE CONVOLUTED SEMANTICS DEBATE LMAO

DUDE EGO IN DEFENSE MODE LMAO

Fucking retarded marxists

But that's not Marxism, that's Marxism-Leninism which was the Russian (Lenin) interpretation of Marxism and Socialist economic policy that was implemented and ultimately became communism under Stalin. Do you even read the things you post, or do you just think that the more you post the more "correct" you are?

You're literally retarded.

No fucking shit that Marxist-Lenninism was first formulated by fucking Vladimir Lenin. I post specifically because its the first example of state applied Marxist theory, which Stalinism, Agrarian Marxism and Maoism are descended from. Marxist theory and dialectical materialism deal inextricably with economics.

Kek, have you even read the fucking Communist's Manifesto? This is why people make fun of marxists so much literal know nothing 90 IQ cretins

You faggots always have to ruin a thread with your pseudo intellectual discussion about Marxism. This was a comfy 90s thread and now its completely derailed.

You don't rely to faggots who derail a thread, you start another discussion that doesn't involve them.

>who here /toonami/

He started it though.

Marxists belong in a garbage can along with their proven defective ideology.

This. I was scrolling through the front page and saw those posts and laughed out loud at his ridiculous this board can be.

All the worst qualities of Veeky Forums and /pol/ in a single board ^^

>Marxist theory and dialectical materialism deal inextricably with economics
Yes, because he was an economist, but his theories about economical systems are not systems themselves. Socialism came from Marxism, not Marxism=Socialism

>kek
confirmed /pol/tard

As a person born in 89', Toonami was everything that was good in the nineties. Everything.

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>Dude, Marxist theory envisions an ongoing historical conflict between economic class over limited material wealth
>As an alternative to this current, predominant economic system I have envisioned a future, revolutionary global state that no longer functions on producing and trading human capital and effectively ends the class struggle
>this stateless utopia that will follow a period of transitional socialism directed by necessary state actors and will be called Communism

>Oh yeah this has nothing to do with economics btw f a m xD
>t. Marx xD

?????????

Kek is the word "lol" when spoken/typed from the Alliance perspective in World of Warcraft, retarded memer

>?????????
That's about all the argument you've made so far.

Ah, I see, you were just pretending to be retarded all along.

Whatever delusional rationalization works most effectively to protect poor babbies ego I guess

>Loveless
>Spiderland
>Nevermind
>The Low End Theory
>Screamadelica
>Laughing Stock

1991 was a good year for music

And promptly back to namecalling attacks on strawmen. Wow, how unpredictable!

>a good year for music
>posts a bunch of pop shit

Guess why some music gets popular, user.

Rock shit*

At least keep it in the same genre.

>tfw you will never relive your childhood feel of the 90's
At least vaporwave tugs those strings

>rock isn't pop

youtube.com/watch?v=MqKcUS2Npic

>best decade: the one with things I like
>worst decade: the one with things that I don't

So this is what real democracy looks like...