>Debating the qualities, existence, or nonexistence of a particular historical event is illegal in 9 countries, most of which are western with the one exception of ISRAEL.
>Denying the Mongol slaughter or the Great leap forward or the Communist gulags/famines/mass rapes/mass executions of a myriad of different ethnic groups including Jews is legal in these countries but denying the holocaust is not, even though these aforementioned events caused more death and destruction on a wider scale and caused more reverberations throughout history and in some cases, such as communist mass killings, happened more recently than the supposed butchering of only 6-12 million specific people in Germany 70 years ago.
>The appearance of the swastika causes more stress and anger and sadness in the western mind than the hammer and sickle, even though the latter was responsible for more deaths more recently and of more ethnic/religious groups in more regions across a wider spectrum of time than the terror inflicted by the Nazis
Explain this.
Debating the qualities, existence, or nonexistence of a particular historical event is illegal in 9 countries...
because nazism failed
>His morality is based on whether a certain group or not one in the pass and not by the merits or demerits of their actions, ideas, plans, and the amount of people affected by them either negatively or positively.
are you having a stroke?
No.
>a certain group or not one in the pass
go to the doctor just in case
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no i seriously can't understand what you're trying to say
>tear the globalist bankers a new asshole and turn your country from 3rd world into a global superpower in a decade
can't let that happen again now can we?
I'm saying it's unjust to put your moral values on whether a certain person or group triumphed over the other, I.E, "John beat up Max, John is good and Max is bad." Rather, you should place value judgement or categories based on objective judgement.
"Hitler was bad because he killed lots of people, therefore, I am greatly offended by the swastika, the symbol of Hitler's party."
If that is the case, then this person speaking should hate the communists even more for their mass killings, rapes, famines, cultural and historical destruction, etc. But no, people seem to be less offended by the communists or the mongols than the Nazis, even though both of those groups were responsible for more deaths and in the case of the communists, happened even more recently and across a wider time spectrum and in the case of both groups, happened in a wider regional spectrum. The value judgement on why you dislike the Nazis is because they were responsible for millions of deaths, then why aren't you more outraged by the mongols or communists then? Why? So denying the Holocaust is illegal in those 9 countries and denying the Mongols butchery or the Communists savagery is not illegal. Why?
first i'm not basing it on whether one group triumphed over the other. secondly it's not my moral basis; i'm responding to the idea of 'the western mind' in OP's post
also the numbers of deaths caused by mongols and communists are debated, as is the 'responsibility' of deaths by communists.
>The value judgement on why you dislike the Nazis is because they were responsible for millions of deaths
this is a strawman
>first i'm not basing it on whether one group triumphed over the other. secondly it's not my moral basis; i'm responding to the idea of 'the western mind' in OP's post
It is within the western mind because it is westerners who illegalize holocaust denial, with the exception of Israel, of course.
>also the numbers of deaths caused by mongols and communists are debated, as is the 'responsibility' of deaths by communists.
As are the deaths caused by the holocaust, yet this is not legal for debate, there is an official state narrative in these countries for how and why and where and when these people were killed and if you stray from this, you are put in jail, many believe that a great amount of the deaths caused by the holocaust were due to typhus, or to starvation caused by food shortages that the germans had little control over, but if you mention this or suggest this or decide to discuss this, you are thrown in Jail, in these 8 western countries, and in Israel.
>this is a strawman
Why are the Nazis despised in the Western world today? It couldn't be the fact that westerners believe that the Nazis were responsible for millions of deaths in the holocaust, could it?
>Why are the Nazis despised in the Western world today?
because jews control it
So when most people think of the Nazis and the holocaust and why they are bad, they don't think of Nazis in uniforms killing people, especially Jews, right?
>It is within the western mind
the point is you were trying to say it was my personal justification rather than just saying why the west thinks nazism is worse than communism
>As are the deaths caused by the holocaust
not nearly to the same degree
>many believe
who?
>Why are the Nazis despised in the Western world today?
because nazism failed. they started ww2, they lost ww2, everyone knows about the nazis. no one knows about the communists
is it really a bad thing that people are allowed to say that the communists killed 100 million people?
> the Communist gulags/famines/mass rapes/mass executions of a myriad of different ethnic groups including Jews
hmmm
their opinions are sculpted by hollywood movies which coincidentally is also run by jews
>implying jews weren't behind the revolution
ah but let's forget about all those tens of millions that weren't jews
>ah but let's forget about all those tens of millions that weren't jews
i don't know what your point is
>the point is you were trying to say it was my personal justification rather than just saying why the west thinks nazism is worse than communism
If it wasn't, then I'm sorry, it was a misinterpretation.
>not nearly to the same degree
To an even greater degree! Communists and those operating under the banner of the hammer and sickle were responsible for hundreds of millions of deaths! Of Ukrainians, of Cambodian Intellectuals, of Chinese peasants, of Poles, Germans, Russian Jews, and anyone the North Korean government dislikes today, often ending them slowly under torture!
>who?
For lack of a better word, normies. In Western countries, both the "right wing" and the "left wing." Everyone across every political spectrum condemns Nazism and national socialist regimes rather than Communist ones. Whether it's Labor or the Tories, Democrats, or Republicans, Russians or French, etc.
kind of hard to tell the difference when they're all facing the wall getting ready to be shot
>Denying the Mongol slaughter or the Great leap forward or the Communist gulags/famines/mass rapes/mass executions of a myriad of different ethnic groups including Jews is legal in these countries
Not in Eastern Europe, in several former soviet block countries, it's illegal to deny communist mass murders as well. IIRC France also used to have a law against denial of the Armenian and the Rwande genocide.
All of these laws are stupid btw, and the explanation for them is stupid and oversensitive people.
>To an even greater degree!
i mean that the differences in the estimates of deaths in the holocaust are smaller in variance compared to the numbers of deaths under communism
>For lack of a better word, normies.
i mean who are the 'many' who believe that a 'great' amount of holocaust deaths were caused by typhus and starvation?
>Romans persecuted Jews,destroyed their state, most people like and emulate them
>Cossacks massacred Jews, most people like them, especially in Ukraine and parts of Russia
>Crusaders massacred Jews, they are remembered as heroes, except by Muslim-apologists
>Nazis persecuted Jews, most people hate them
>HURR HISTORY IS RUN BY JEWS, JEWISH WORLD DOMINATION CONFIRMED
You know, maybe it's not a Jews' fault that the Nazis got a bad rep. It probably has to do something with the fact that they invaded several countries, started the deadliest conflict in human history and ran a totalitarian dictatorship.
Yes, Holocaust denial laws are stupid.
What next?
>Romans
>Cossacks
>Crusaders
>Nazis
Name the odd one out, I know! How about the one that existed in the 20th century primarily and the one that represents a specific political ideology applicable to the modern world and to nations?
>Implying the crusaders are not hated by anyone other than Muslim-apologists.
Also, the Romans did the same thing to do the Jews that they did to the Gauls, Germans, Iberians, Carthaginians, Etruscans, the list goes on and on
>HURR HISTORY IS RUN BY JEWS, JEWISH WORLD DOMINATION CONFIRMED
Never said that.
What next? How about the fact that most people seem to react harshly to the Nazis and Nazi ideology than to Communists?
>What next? How about the fact that most people seem to react harshly to the Nazis and Nazi ideology than to Communists?
nazis worked very hard to be more undeniably, immediately and excessively evil than soviets even though they were initially looking like a good candidate to be the worst bad guy of the century. would you deny hitler the fruits of his labor?
That's a good thing though