If America's guns start being taken away, what are the odds of 1776 commencing again?

Relevant image. Any serious attempt by the government to confiscate privately owned firearms would not end well for the government.

Except the whole state typically doesn't mourn. Only the small number of idiots who actually give a fuck about broadcast news even pay much attention to such events.

Interesting. Thanks for the pic.

>little to no troops
Most Revolutionary War battles were numbered in favor of the British.

The main issue I think is discipline. As the Revolutionary War showed, half the issue with the Continental Army was that for the first half of the war it was an untrained militia that tended to insta-route the second things got tough.

Drones/tanks/etc. are essentially just an anti-gun meme, but I don't think it will ever get to the kind of political climate where the American populous will ever go full revolution mode. Mostly because we already know Russia would back the revolution. In addition to this, America has been playing World Police for quite some time now, and we're pretty good at it as far as balancing the power between the Chinks and Rooskies go.

Hypothetically, if it did get that bad for American gun owners, the U.S. government would be in a really tight spot at the a minimum, especially if they did employ tanks and drones. Bombing your own people and resources is really not good for infrastructure, not to mention that the inevitable civilian deaths would just stir up even more tax evasion and other revolution-y things like that. Military desertion rates would also be enormous considering we have a volunteer army mostly made up of conservatives, rednecks, and people who feel like defending the Constitution and the American people (regardless of whether you think that's what they actually accomplish). Honestly it's just kind of a stretch of the imagination to think a country made up of overwhelmingly pro-gun cops and soldiers would just have those same people lining up to clusterbomb their families.

>inb4 the gubmint would totally destroy a russian backed, armed populous in my very specific scenario which completely disregards asymmetrical warfare and assumes the rebels would line up like an 18th century military with big posters and signs that say "DRONE US PLEASE LOL"

look, the people who will refuse to give away their guns have no way to organize themselves and form groups of more than 10 people before the state comes down on them hard

The army can be deployed to anywhere in the country in mere hours and these days they have armored vehicles, planes, helicopters, drones, remote controlled robots with bombs, tear gas and snipers ready to take anybody who shows themselves for a split second down. It wouldn't be a revolt nor a civil war

>If America's guns start being taken away,
This will NEVER EVER fucking happen, EVER.

>If America's guns start being taken away

Not gonna happen. Might become illegal to buy more of them some time in the future, but if you think Americans are going to give up weapons they already own freely, you're sorely mistaken.

>75% desertion rate

Where the fuck did this guy get these numbers?
I highly doubt that 3/4 of the military would just leave, even in such a situation

>What are Oathkeepers
>what is military desertion
>what is attacking supply lines
>what is a PR nightmare
>what are millions of combat veterans who have received shitty treatment from the Department of Veterans Affairs

Life is not a videogame and you have no guarantee that the soldiers will just blindly follow your orders. Look at what happened in Afghanistan during the communist period, literally 70% of the army defected and joined the rebels which is why the government had to call in for Soviets to invade.

Even if just 20% of the military deserted, we would have a real civil war on our hands.

Some sort of rebellion would be likely but it's doubtful it would succeed.

Alex Jones would be made general of the rebellion, flanked by his trusty officers, Bubba and Cletus.

It won't be a dramatic thing. It'll just happen slowly and inexorably and people will accept it.
Most people are already comfortable with domestic mass surveillance.

People who think we would use drones, planes or helicopters against our own people, even if they're rebelling, are insane. Can you image how bad that would look? Just drone striking towns in the US?

Also, that equipment would have to come from somewhere. Pulling our jets, ships and troops from our bases all over the world would signal an end to the pax americana and countries like Russia or China would make their move. Better to let some random part of the country secede than cause global chaos by bringing our army in to fight even a budding insurgency.

I disagree
mass surveillance is different since its sort of intangible, and most of the time you'll never even feel the effects of it.

However, firearms are a physical, tangible object, and tightening of firearms restrictions are felt by all gunowners, who aren't exactly a minority in the US.

It's illegal to declare a domestic political group as a terrorist organization in the US; violates the First Amendment.

Exactly. Like that one time the ATF shot a bunch of people and lit their house on fire (probably) just because they thought they had guns in their house, and that guy Timothy McVeigh just let it happen and wasn't at all outraged about what he saw as a violation of 2nd Amendment rights and overreaching government.

+1 upboat great post

Is this post sincere?

>what is the CPUSA
>who are the Black Panthers

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Except for that's illegal now. And the Black Panthers weren't prosecuted for just being Black Panthers.

t. never read the first amendment

Meant for . Supreme Court ended stuff like this in the 60s.

t. Never took a constitutional law class.

The thing that needs to be considered in the case of a revolt against the government is that there's a reasonable chance it wouldn't be
"civvies vs military" in a stand up fight.

First of all it'd be a guerilla war composed of people in your tax and worker base. That's logistically already a giant pain in the ass.
Second you're counting on elements of the military not being willing to switch sides. Once that happens the equipment / battle experience gap narrows and it can end up snowballing as equipment is captured.

>Sounds like Vietnam desu

Average southern american is a spoiled fatass who wouldn't be able to fight a guerrila fight at all.

Cut off their electricity and transport links and they'd starve to submission so quickly.

>even pay much attention to such events.

Your school shootings make headline news around the world dumbass.

>spoiled

Most southerners are actually very poor and hard working, hardly spoiled.

t. northerner

ITT: people who think upper-middle class New Yorkers are an accurate representation for America

It already commenced: Half the time you hear about a mass shooting or something it's some dude trying to fight the system about some political point.

They get labeled as domestic terrorists.

The only way that a revolution would actually start and take off instead of being treated like a mass killing is if the government was already so overtly tyrannical that it'd be too late for it to matter and they'd just instantly stomp it out with drone strikes.

/pol/tards and /k/ammondos say shit like or , but It won't be instant one day the goverment knocks down every door. It'll be gradual.

It would be far, far more likely that a group of states try to secede again,, but even that is a statistical negligiblity

All that said, if climate change isn't mitigated, then shit is gonna go down due to lack of resources, especially combined with the fact that we are starting to transition into a post scarcity society and there aren't enough jobs to support people consuming all the shit being made.

Why does obscenity law even exist? Such crap.

This, we need basic income now.

>basic income
Just a tool to keep the filthy underclass from revolting and permanently beneath the elites.
Just company store on national scale.

BLM faggots could've literally made their point by highlighting police brutality without making it about race and I'm pretty sure many white libertarians / small government people would join their cause.

Instead they made it just about black people which effectively alienated all whites and in fact made whites support the cops, good job you black retards.

Basically zero. Put yourself in the shoes of a hypothetical American patriot. There's a knock on your door and a few police officers right behind it. You see an additional SWAT van further back on the road with several officers wearing helmets and body armor with rifles drawn. The men behind your door tell you that universal gun confiscation is now in effect, as per president's orders. They tell you that you have a minute to open the door and let them search your house before they get the battering ram.

This is it. It's time to pick up arms against your government. You know you will most likely be killed, but at least you'll take a few of the bastards with you. You know that what you ought to do is grab your rifle and get ready to shoot whoever comes through that door.

But then again. When you woke up this morning, you had no idea it would be your last day. Your wife just left for groceries 30 minutes ago, and you didn't even tell her that you love her. And she was going to make that food that you love this evening, and then you were going to fuck. And there was that movie coming out this weekend that you were looking forward to. And your mother just had a stroke last month and she needs you to look after her. And you just finished paying off your last debt payment. And you just bought those tickets to Spain. And you were looking forward to finishing that book you were reading because you really want to know how it ends. But now you have to die for your principles and you don't get to have any of that.

But what if you just opened the door and gave them your guns? Ten minutes and they'd be on their way. And you'd get to continue your life as if nothing happened. All you have to do is open the door. Besides, you're probably wrong about the second amendment anyway. You're sure you'll still have freedom, right? Just give them your rifle and get ready to kiss your wife and tell her you love her. It would be that easy.

How many people could really do it?

Good job sending SWAT units to 61 million households at the same time. That's all but logistically impossible.

You do know this isn't some tiny as fuck European country you're talking about, right?
Not to mention a large portion of rural cops are also very pro gun themselves.

stateofobesity.org/lists/highest-rates-adult-obesity

Southern states have the worst obesity rates, the worst economies and the worst education.

They also have no jungle to hide in.

Americans have not suffered like the Afghans or Iraqis or vietnamese, or whatever backwater country's people have. They couldn't handle a brutal civil war.

It doesn't have to happen all at the same time. The point is that by picking up arms against the government you take a significant chance of dying, and the average American has too much to live for to ever take that chance. The kind of people willing to risk their lives, the ones without families, are mostly your typical /pol/acks who lack the training and physical fitness to be succesful in combat.

And it's so much easier to just submit. That's the crux of the issue. The kind of people that fight revolutions are young, fit men that don't have much to lose, and America just doesn't have enough of those. Because even the social rejects have fairly comfortable lives with their abundant pleasures and distractions.

>They also have no jungle to hide in.

They have dense forests though.

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What said described is what would happen to people who refused the initial (most likely) buy back of the guns. This is what happened in Australia and, I think, the UK with handguns.

His story is an accurate portrayal of what would happen.

Wouldn't most city cops be pro-gun control considering what they see and risk on a day to day basis?

>mostly your typical /pol/acks who lack the training

Something tells me you aren't an American and get all of your information from internet memes.

A fat lardass can still shoot a fucking cop and make the entire department think twice about ever enforcing shitty laws, fagboy.

This entire argument is just an authoritarian circle-jerk anyway. If they actually try to disarm people they are just going to get BTFO by rooftop Koreans. And I will laughing the entire time.

Let me repeat, America is not Europe, or Australia.
The mindset behind gun ownership is just so much more different here than anywhere else.

The USA's millitary has access to

>Heat sensitive cameras
>Drones
>21st century technology

This isn't the 60s, btw how many hillbillies would really be willing to fight a guerilla war in the forest just to protect their right to shoot cans of posts?

Most people have guns because they're fun to shoot. That's it, and it's a valid argument to say "I like something, i pay my taxes, i'm a good person, don't take what i like away from me".

Would you really kill people and give up everything to live a horrible life just because you wouldn't except the payment you'd receive for giving up your guns?

There's a good chance that after they raid and arrest the first two Jimbos and Cletuses in Assfuck Alabama simply for posessing guns, the local population will attempt to resist. The sheriff who is an elected official could support his town as well, now imagine thousands upon thousands of small towns like this. State/regional secessionist movements would start and the military would have to be called in and it literally takes only a rogue general or two who refuses to slaughter red blooded American citizens and you're gonna have an actual civil war to deal with.

I still think the government would win eventually simply because the rebels would be way too disorganized, but thinking everyone will just say "okay" and give up his gun like a servile beta is crazy. The fact you judge your average gun owner / patriot by /pol/acks is also pretty telling.

The tech isn't autonomous (yet).

Are they really that inbred, user? I thought it was just northern propaganda but jesus...