What is it about East Asian culture that has made suicide so prevalent throughout their history even to this day?

What is it about East Asian culture that has made suicide so prevalent throughout their history even to this day?

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first post says it all

Their culture is confucian and by extension heavily based on honor-shame

Shame is a public thing, and regaining your honor is a public thing as well

The christian west is guilt-innocence


In a guilt culture you know you are good or bad by what your conscience feels. In a shame culture you know you are good or bad by what your community says about you, by whether it honors or excludes you. In a guilt culture people sometimes feel they do bad things; in a shame culture social exclusion makes people feel they ARE bad.

When you regard yourself within the context of a collective, and your worth to your collective, whether its your country, your kingdom, your family, your business, etc, you begin to review your existence in an objective way, which would obviously entail the possibility of removing yourself from the equation in order to benefit the good. It is a sacrifice for the supposed good of the population. East Asian culture lacks the idea that Humans are useful and deserve to live regardless of whether they make themselves useful to others around them or not.

>Japs
>Represents all of East Asia

/a/ is that way

Dude, the HONORABOR SUICIDE is a meme in all East Asia.

This.

Honor culture made it prevalent in many societies. Greeks, Romans, Persia, India, East Asia.

How the fuck do you behead yourself.

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Gaixia
"Xiang Yu retreated to the bank of the Wu River (near present-day He County, Chaohu City, Anhui) and the ferryman at the ford prepared a boat for him to cross the river, strongly encouraging him to do so because Xiang Yu still had the support of the people from his homeland in the south. Xiang Yu said that he was too ashamed to return home and face his people because none of the first 8,000 men from Jiangdong who followed him on his conquests survived. He refused to cross and ordered his remaining men to dismount, asking the ferryman to take his warhorse, Zhui (騅), back home."
"Xiang Yu and his men made a last stand against wave after wave of Han forces until only Xiang himself was left alive. Xiang Yu continued to fight on and slew over 100 enemy soldiers, but he had also sustained several wounds all over his body. Just then, Xiang Yu saw an old friend Lü Matong among the Han soldiers, and he said to Lü, "I heard that the King of Han (Liu Bang) has placed a price of 1,000 gold and the title of "Wanhu Marquis" (萬戶侯; lit. "marquis of 10,000 households") on my head. Take it then, on account of our friendship."

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carefully

Idk if you're trolling but suicide is a HUGE problem in Asia in general. I know people whose father killed himself because he got fired.

It was a bad day to ask if he wanted to smoke and play Smash...

One of the wierder team america scenes

Confucianism had very little influence in Japan until Edo era.

huh

This and you missed one more important thing.
Their culture wasn't built around Christianity like most Western ones where suicide is regarded a "sin." In such a mindset,you have no right to take your own life since at the end of the day it doesn't belong to you and only God decides when you die.
So with non Christian cultures, suicide instead of a disgraceful death or life is best. This coupled to Japans's shaming and honor obsessed culture like you said.
Even in Ancient Rome, suicide was better than torture or even a disgraceful death in some instances.

Also Christianity says it's a sin. That's important.

>like most Western ones where suicide is regarded a "sin." In such a mindset,you have no right to take your own life since at the end of the day it doesn't belong to you and only God decides when you die.
Except no one believes this.

It's manifested in the idea that people still think suicide is a selfish thing to do(think of your friends and family!) and the worst thing a person can ever do to themselves.
However, Asians see it as rather selfless and a better alternative to other instances.

really? i know several people who think it is a sin, myself included. today's culture is filled with nihilists, don't let them fool you.

Literally every Catholic

Wasn't the west huge on honor/shame during the medieval era with the knights n shetz?

This, it's Christianity that made the difference. Hence the Roman "fall on your sword" meme for major fuckups.

This was also the case during the Roman Empire with their honorable way of fighting.

It was sin and deadly.
You go to hell and often Church refused to bury bodies on sacred ground(cemeteries).
It was seen as spitting God in the face - refusing his gift of life and running from his test.
Cowardly and selfish act. Shameful dispaly.

On the other hand in Asian countries suicide often allow to regain honour or spare the rest of family humiliation or even death.