>BMW M2 is over 50% more expensive
>even with its stupid DCT is only 0.1 faster round a track
Beaten by a Ford Focus, is this the end for BMW? The M2 is even faster than an M4 around a track, meaning the Focus RS is comparable to an M4 at half the price, what a fucking joke.
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> but muh price
An interior that doesn't rattle itself apart after 3 months isn't cheap
bmw fucked up. i don't understand why it only has 365 hp out of a modern turbo i6.
This is nothing new, we all know Ford is better than BMW.
So if the M2 matches the camaro SS and the focus matches the M2.....
why the fuck is this joke of a company still around
"muh german engineering" is the biggest meme
The BMW doesn't have a shit interior, looks 40x better and will guaranteed be more fun to drive. The BMW may not be the better car on paper, and is way more expensive, but no BMW has ever been about value for money.
Imagining you were offered either for free, anyone who says they would pick the Focus RS is not only a liar, but a bad liar.
>muh gutted AC less race car with carbon fiber wheels
whew alphonse
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such a dumb comparison I can only hope this is some extremely well executed bait.
Actually, the gt350 has a far better interior. Keep crying bmw fangirls.
>costs less
>rapes the shit out bmw
Keep crying.
>50% more expesive
Except that is a lie.
A similar configured Focus RS is over 40k, the BMW is 53k. For 13k you get to not drive a Ford with an interior designed and built by americans.
>never sat in a current gen BMW
>'mustang has better interior durrrrrrrrrrr'
Don't get me wrong I think the current 5 and 3 series are shit, but you've got to admit BMW have got it down with their interiors at the minute. The steering wheel they use is godlike, and like any BMW you can get the seating position exactly right.
>far better interior.
How is that no back seat, cloth seats, no stereo, and no AC ford interior possibly better? I've told you this before use the GT350 for your shitposts, not the R
In the UK the Focus RS is 30k, the M2 is 45k easy.
>thinking the Focus RS had anything to do with Americunts.
>all that nasty-ass cheap plastic
>BMW M2 is over 50% more expensive
Americans confirmed cannot do simple math
No, it doesn't.
>no ac
Electronics pack.
>no stereo
Electronics pack.
>cloth seats
Just like the bmw.
I know right, bmw is shit nowadays.
Pretty shit bait, maybe a complete novice would fall for it, but not me, or anyone else with a brain.
>bongland
Literally nobody cares.
>weighing down your race car
why even bother with the R then?
>cloth seats like the BMW
M2 doesn't even come with anything but leather Alphonse. Step up your shitposting game.
>not wanting to daily drive your race car
commit suicide
>literally has a worse interior than a mustang
KEK!
It's still faster with the extra weight. You can even order back seats too and still beat the M2 and M4.
>thinking the most recent focus is not 100% american designed and built by an american company
Bongs really are delusional. Ford is not british, the rest of europe knows this, why don't you?
yeah but then you have to drive around in a giant ass ford rustang. M2 vs mustang is a foolish comparison. Its a hell of a car but it is just huge.
>current gen Fiesta and Focus arrived in UK years before the US
hmm
>cover it in cheap vinyl and fool the americans
It's still faster than the M4, has a better interior, is faster in a straight line and on a track. BMW is shit.
People daily Fusions no problem, even in yurop where streets are fucking tiny and Fusions are called Mondeos.
The Mustang is smaller, and far from huge.
Ford is american. the platform was made for all markets. there is nothing british at all about a ford you bongsucker.
The interior is something only an american could love. otherwise agreed.
The point is people who want a small car would buy the M2. The competitor, and I mean that very loosely, of the car in the mustang's class is the M4. You may as well try to compare a fiesta to a 7 series then.
But if you want a fast, small car you should just buy a Focus RS.
If you think AWD is better than RWD and you wish for a god awful interior and a slower 4 cylinder then sure. The focus RS is just at a god awful price point imo.
>If you think AWD is better than RWD
But it is.
BTFO!!
Oddly enough two unrelated cars are not applicable. And no, AWD sucks in the drivers feels department. Besides them sweet drivetrain destroying AWD launches its dead weight and understeer
More than understeer, it pretty much means 'lol full throttle I don't need to think' unless its a car with truckloads of power.
>awd sucks in the drivers feels department
Nobody has complained about the 918's awd system.
Or the 911's AWD system, for that matter.
Or the STI's AWD System
Neither of those are also strapped to a people mover with a 2.3L four cylinder either. I know you ride a bus but in the low hp range AWD is not so amazing
Or evos or stis
BMW fan boys making up bullshit as usual
>is faster around a track
>beaten
Way to bluntly contradict yourself OP.
Badge origin=/=specific model's origin. Pic related.
Heck, there's nothing Japanese about Tundras and Titans, regardless of the arbitrary badge on the nose.
ITT BMW Fanboys trying to justify overpriced shit with security screws
>resorting to ad hominems
I understand bmw is shit but there is no reason to insult me.
>I enjoy understeer
Those are rally/drag cars, they are not designed to be street or track cars.
There is nothing british about ford, i'm sorry you can't accept that.
>13k
>better interior
>far more capable engine
>security screws
>engine more capable
>Murican V8s are basically saying please come inside
>not more capable
>There is nothing british about ford
Apart from British Fords?
ITT: BMW FANGIRLS BTFO!!!!
We are discussing the four banger hot hatch, not the rustang.
And when was the last time there was a british ford? The current focus/fiesta most certainly is not
>they are not designed to be street or track cars.
[citation needed]
If anything, the current Focus and Fiesta are German.
> evo is not a track car
Lol stupid BMW fan boy gaggle
The point of the thread was a cheap ass ford with british roots (the fiesta and focus are mainly british in origin) on the track and all that makes it good is the badge
They began on a shit FWD econobox chassis and then AWD was added to make it not utter shit for muh rallies. True sports cars (read bmw, corvette, mustang, camaro, porsche gts, viper, et. al.) are rwd and once getting into the super car range awd is added due to gross hp problems. Nobody ever thought, wow we should make this car unnecessarily heavier and understeer on a track where the AWD will be a net disadvantage. Not made to be a track car.
so you're saying an econobox with AWD slapped in beat an out and out sports car?
This makes BMW's case even worse
>the fiesta and focus are mainly british in origin
They aren't. What part of this do bongs not get? They don't even assemble the cars on your shitty island anymore.
they're both born from the escort
>he actually believes this
Ford Europe is responsible for the Focus and Fiesta.
>they are not designed to be street or track cars, because of my subjective opinion
lol
ranting=/=citation
Did you even read the article? Besides the M2 is grossly underpowered from the factory, which is bullshit, but there is no denying the 3.0L has way more power than the four banger ford.
Yeah, no. Ancient history doesn't matter.
Ford Europe is not british.
Lancer was originally rear wheel drive :^)
Stay btfo delusional BMW fan boy
So do explain why the heavy ass AWD is a positive choice for track use. Its a gussied up shitbox for rally racing, stop deluding yourself.
The only exception is the current generation Focus, and even then, it was developed for a global market. Ford remains tight lipped on where it was specifically developed (recent previous generations originated from Germany).
Is that why the P1 and La Ferrari are slower around a track than a 918?
>the M2 is grossly underpowered from the factory
but you BMW Fanboys keep buying them
>was
And hasn't been for decades. The only thing related to the old ass cars you adore is the name.
You don't mean they assemble the current focus in the UK do you?
>stop deluding yourself
I'm not the one delusionally ranting nothing but opinions.
Stop projecting yourself ;)
What part of high power super car do you think applies to a 270hp shitbox? Evo/STI would post far faster lap times without the front wheels being powered.
>this assmad awd is superior for production vehicles
kek
P1 on the same tires is faster.
depends on the track, and certainly not in the wet.
>Evo/STI would post far faster lap times without the front wheels being powered.
[citation needed]
And yet the evo and sti rape rear wheel drive cars with three times as much power around tsukuba
Prove they would they faster without God tier awd
>the p1 is faster
kek
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>inb4 silhouette bodied touring cars
Its superior for high power supercars and drag cars. Just like DCT is better than a manual.
Doesn't make AWD and DCT not shit however.
>meme gook track
whew.
Its a good thing track cars don't race around parking lots full of cones in the rain then
>heavier is better
270hp is no crazy amount where traction is an issue. Most sports cars do just fine with nearly twice that amount through the rear wheels
I said on the same tires.
>BMW fanboy faggots are this assblasted and delusional
roflmao.
>still confusing subjective ranting with providing a citation
eyyy lmao
>Lel Audi bring AWD 5cyl saloon to race against almighty V8's of murrica, we're so gonna school em
>Buttrapes muh big V8 murrican cars in their own back yard
>ban it cause your a wee pussy who can't handle the 5cyl awd bants
That would require subaru and mitsubishi to not produce shit tier cars based off of econoboxes.
>AWD is a huge help in high horsepower gutted race cars
Who would have guessed? Remind me again what part of that matters to a gussied up shitbox?
>implying it wouldn't have been faster as a RWD
>can't cite your baseless claims?
>keep ranting!
You're priceless
>heavier is faster
whew lad. do you vape and own a subaru or something?
Except the bmw is full ofdead buttons on the wheel, the fucking front seat is ANGLED FUCKING CANTED TO THE SIDE BECAUSE THEY WERE TOO CHEAP TO PROPERLY DESIGN PROPER CRASH-WORTHINESS.
and plastic carbon fiber. Everywhere
>has clearly never driven AWD in pissing down rain
wew
It wouldnt
Yet the V8's had much more power and laughed like fuck at audi for their little sissy bitch engines.......after they started winning they asked them to reduce their boost, then their tyre width, then asked for a ban when that shit didnt work.
All the buttons work, the front seat is not angled, and the carbon fiber is authentic.
Do you learn everything about cars from Veeky Forums?
It is sometimes, depends on whats causing the extra weight.
The point is these cars are AWD because they are based off a fwd shitbox chassis or for muh rallies, the choice was obviously not made for track performance.
yea it depends.
weight reductions on the GTR make it slower.
It's more than power to weight that makes the car user
The road going Quattro was AWD from the outset.
>implying I said that
By your simple logic, they should also remove their turbocharger, and a Corvette would be better off with a four cylinder as opposed to a V8. Because it's applies an additional weight.
What other words are you going to put in my mouth?
>weight reductions on the GTR make it slower.
That defies all reason and logic unless they were massively messing with weight distribution.
because it was an audi meme. it wasn't chosen for superior dry track performance.
I guess the F2000 was FWD from the start.
OH WAIT
RS200*
But it is superior, Audi saloons absolutely raped european touring car championships all through the 90's with it before they got banned from each countries in turn or had so much success ballast added that it wasnt reasonable to compete.
Wow, a car designed from the ground up for rally racing is awd? Besides, awd was a huge meme in the 1980s when most cars were horrible slow fwd vehicles.
>superier in lightweight gutted race cars and supercars
i've never denied this. a 270hp lancer is neither.
it has alot to do with the dampers and how ABS and TC works.
It expects certain a certain weight to travel a certain distance to adjust the throttle.
Not only that but the way airflow works on the car, it's in tandem with the massive weight of it.
There's nothing excess on it
How the fuck is this fwd you fucking shitbong cuck fuck you
Then that is an issue with the car being a driving tech demonstration, not a principle against physics. With proper engineering weight savings would substantially improve the car, like every car.
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