Knights were fucking useless

Knights were fucking useless
>get Mongol'd
>get Saracen'd
>get Swiss pikemen'd

>get Mongol'd
The Mongols lost and retreated from Europe. Get over it Timur Khan. They even lost to Mamluks which are essentially Egyptian Knights.

>get Saracen'd
They lost to Mamluks who again were essentially Egyptian or Saracen Knights.

>get Swiss pikemen'd
Haha! Good one. No please leave this board.

also
>get longbow'd

Holy fuck knights sucked so much cock.

>Mamluks.
>essentially knights
Didn't know Knights also practice mounted archery. I swore they are only one trick charge ponies or something.

>Calling every mounted cavalry force a fucking knight

>one trick charge ponies

kill yourself

mamluks were objectively better than contemporary knights and practiced had a different fighting style making more use of archery however and the mongols retreated in europe because of the election of the new khan, however it is true that the battle of mohacs was a close victory.

>one trick charge ponies

Yep, you clearly have a thorough understanding of the role played by knights in the Western European medieval social,economic and military systems.

What? You're gonna say they can dismount and fight as infantry too? ALL cavalrymen did that when they had to. You had no business in war if you can't fight on foot.

Fact of the matter is, as cavalry, knights only had charge under their repertoire.

>You're gonna say they can dismount and fight as infantry too?

Yes.

In England they fought as infantry.

>The Mongols lost and retreated from Europe. Get over it Timur Khan
The Mongols left because Ogedai Khan died, and Subetai and company had to go back home for the kurultai

>They lost to Mamluks who again were essentially Egyptian or Saracen Knights.
ok

>Haha! Good one. No please leave this board.
what?

Aside from the fact that this is a completely useless thread, arguing that heavy cavalry was useless because it did what it was intended to do is the same as arguing that musketmen are useless because all they can do is shoot people

And in France too.

>France

lmao France had knights? What was their main tactic waving white flag?

Well congratulations. The heavy cavalry of the world all did that.

Except some can into mounted archery and skirmishing, apparently.

Like I said: one trick ponies.

You are now aware there is exacty ONE primary source that says the Mongols withdrew becayse they had to go home to elect a new leader, and the same source says God killed Ogedei to protect Europe.

>le surrender monkey simpsons maymay

Hows summer going. Ready to go back to school yet?

And why exactly would European knights need to also do mounted archery? They have a fuckton of actual, specialist archers with them.

What exactly prevents a European knight from skirmishing?

this, fuck you OP why did you do this to us

>rich military legacy
>considered one of the most powerful forces in the known world for hundreds and hundreds of years
>home of napoleon, birthplace of the military staff
>lose most recent global conflict, memed on ever since

As an american, I still get that little reflexive chuckle, though.

I wasnt saying they were fucking useless, I said they were one trick pony cavalrymen. You yuroprides are the ones asserting uselesness is the issue here.

>hurr why are troops doing their jobs instead of doing backflips and coffee xD

kill yourself

Fun fact, more french died fighting for germany than fighting against in world war 2 :^)

I didnt say anything about uselessness. I was asking why a European knight would need to also be a mounted archer and why they would be incapable of skirmishing.

Knights sucked
>slow
>untrained

meanwhile samurai

>expert swordsmen
>very fast

Really? That is a fun fact, I've only got shitty surface-level knowledge of WW2.

...

This thread is now about why Japan still westernized even when it was so far ahead of every other nation on earth militarily because of their high speed expert swordsmen.

>Hurr why am I limited to a single role when I can do more than this

Kek.

>I've yet to actually explain how they are limited or why being a specialist instead of jack of all trades is a bad thing

Ancient saumurai could teleport behind you and slice you in half with their sharp blades, folded over 10 million times.

They also took nothing personal - rational, cold blood killers they were

This is a simplified way of looking at things. Knights or other armored cavalry were a "fleet in being", they limited the enemy's options. At the battle of Muret for example 1000 knights and retainers defeated a disorganized army 30 times their size which had failed to provide adequate countermeasures.

The Mongols got buttraped by the Hungarians who underwent some major military reforms in order to protect themselves against future Mongol invasions. Part of these reforms involved building castles and making their armies be composed of heavily armoured knights and crossbowmen.

Knights were a social class not a specific army unit with a specific role. One of the most popular knightly weapons was the pole-axe (a weapon you can hardly use on horseback).

I hear that one samurai could kill like, ten US Navy SEALs.
...before breaking a sweat.

>Be a subhuman sandnigger
>Get knight'd

this
there's a reason Crusaders never invaded Nippon, they knew their armies would get cut down like grass

Holy shit, no wonder the United States used atomic bombs on Japan! Those samurai are unfuckingstoppable!

Anyone who has read history and doesn't just believe in memes knows that knnights were good soldiers.Quality training with quality equipment. Most examples of "knights sucking" ITT are examples of bad leadership.

Knights coupled with good leaders = extreme success. Look for example Dorylaeum. Knights manage to form a shield wall around civilians in the blazing Anatolian heat and hold it against storms of projectiles until support arrives.

Wow cr*saders got rekt by subhumans six times? Really makes you think.

>knights
>giving a fuck about civilians

That's literally what they did. Armored fence of men and mail, with lighter armored soldiers, women, and camp followers in the middle.

Hungarians are Mongols

Knights were evil useless fucks who molested peasants.

Reminder that knights got destroyed by samurai ;)

>tfw no bannerlord ever

Source ?

Shit bait

>The Mongols got buttraped by the Hungarians
Pic related

>"b-but muh second invasion!"
That was only the Golden Horde, not the full empire.

>teleports nuclear bomb behind you
Hehe, nothing personal tojo.

>blazing Anatolian heat

You what m8?

they looked cool

>he fell for Jewish propaganda

>mfw being an 8th grader and trolling my weeb friend by asking him how Japan lost the war if ninjas are so great

>That was only the Golden Horde, not the full empire.
It was still same troops employing same style of warfare.

Fuck these threads always make me want to boot up M&B again

Kek

More than 300k french died during the battle of France, i highly doubt that your claim is accurate.

They weren't prepared during the first invasion. They learned their lessons and countered the Mongol tactics. And the answer to Mongols was: castles, crossbows, knights.

That's like saying that the Eastern Roman Empire was the same as Rome proper in its heights.