Killing floor general

your objectively bad

but user!!
it's new!!!

So SWAT is some kind of enemy debuffer class?

Shit perk, shit weapon, shit news, shit thread.
Let it all die and we can try again later.

>Finally get M4
>has old heat shield and god knows what for sights so I can't skin it to look like my old issued M4
one step forward, two steps back

Not particularly.
He stumbles zeds, but so does almost everyone.
He slows zeds, but so will some other perks after their rework.
The flashbang might cause a new reaction to zeds, but if it takes multiple direct hits to affect sc/fp/boss, who gives a shit, it'll be as forgettable as sharp's ice grenades.

To be fair, though, SWAT's gameplay uniquity, hearing about it on paper, seems no worse than how gunslinger sounded before they added it, and gunslinger wound up pretty good.

Honestly this update looks like it will be most useful for the possibility of off-perk weapons. Demo gets a rifle for crowd control that still has the potential to nuke, and the subguns might be light weight enough to be alternatives to gunslinger weapons

Is versus any good?

heat shield is sweet
from a realistic standpoint those sights would be really shitty and fragile, but in gameplay I think they'll be very nice, not obstructing view any more than needed, while giving a nice intuitive aperture

but they still probably ruined it with forced immediate launcher reloads

The playerbase doubled after they updated it.
There are now 2 people playing.
If they're lucky they can double it again.

the eighties-tastic heat shield is pretty cool
but I'm autistic about guns in video games. I make the models look as close to guns I own or used as possible.
The M4 I use in Insurgency is as close as I could possibly get it to the one I had, including the optic and the damned rack number. Even though no one else sees it.

>He slows zeds, but so will some other perks after their rework
the gunslinger would do that on headshot, which would instakill most things with most guns, so it only really applies to big zeds

swat has very high rates of fire and fairly low damage, so a spray can slow down an entire horde

>I make the models look as close to guns I own or used as possible.
I definitely understand the desire, but even more I can understand TWI not caring to put a bunch of customization in, or make the base model have the particular details you wanted.

>flashbang

>teammate trying to get headshots
>stumble the zed to make it harder? no
>obstruct some view of the zed with fire? no
>blind the teammate entirely.

Swat's tier 1 is so bad i think i could confuse it for parody.

Spawn with armor, make it so you don't take health damage while you have armor, and get immunity from clot grabs.
What should we counter that with?
extra movespeed when using ADS or crouching

What the fuck, someone looked at this and decided that this is an actual choice.

>but they still probably ruined it with forced immediate launcher reloads

That would definetly kill its viability straight away.
That and weighing above 6, which we can't rule out because Tripwire.

>so you don't take health damage while you have armor
It may be less beneficial than you think, if it makes the armor take 100% of the damage, instead of health and armor both taking a part of it.
If some of the damage is health, but not too much, medic can heal you and you can draw out your armor's benefit later into the wave.

But if the skill makes there be no HP damage but the same partial armor damage as before, yeah that's op af.

>Don't take health damage when you have armor
>Sit while 20 sirens scream at me
>Never die

>thinks siren screams won't just pass straight through because it can't do any armor damage

>That and weighing above 6, which we can't rule out because Tripwire.
I figured that was a given.

>because it can't do any armor damage
the skill's wording makes it sound like that won't matter

>M4
>SWAT
>Coming in time for August

What the fuck.
It's like TWI have actually developed a work ethic.

>Tactical Movement is Shoot 'n Scoot but works with crouching
>Close Combat Training = worse Fallback + Spawn with Dual 9mms
>Ammo Vest same as Commando
>Suppression Rounds is another epic stumble skill every perk but medic has, surprised they don't all have a passive stumble X%/level by now.
>Same with Increased/Tactical Reload
>Rapid Assault = Uber Ammo + Fanfire + more Stumble power!
real Last Thread:

SWAT sounds boring as fuck. I can't wait to waste few days on grinding a shitty perk just for achievements.

n1

>and the subguns might be light weight enough to be alternatives to gunslinger weapons
doubt it
mp7 will probably weigh 3 but be worse than medsmg offperk
mp5 will probably weigh 4 and be worse than dualdeags or boomstick offperk
kriss/p90 will probably weigh 5+, where offperks in general usually mean you're skipping onperks that you'd be better off with

>tfw more excited for the Perk reworks and buffs than SWAT

>no Thompson M1921 for swat

beyond disappointed

Same here, especially for support.

SWAT seems really uninteresting, They could have made him with more interesting perks and passives.

I feel like he would have been best as a buffer, maybe having his own stumble variant that has zeds flailing about as they get hit by a hail of gunfire.

>here's four bog standard SMGs
>shoot the zeds with them
Special Weapons And Tactics

>here's four bog standard SMGs
Special Weapons
>here's some really bland perks that at best make you a shitty Medic
And Tactics

Thank u.

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Am I the only person who honestly doesn't give a fuck about SWAT having a riot shield?

Yoshiro said it'll probably be a post-release thing but they like the idea

Don't get me wrong, it's a cool idea that might be interesting, but I see some people in the forums going "Hey SWAT absolutely NEEDS a riot shield" and I'm like "I literally don't care".

50 posts before dead
lol

Let's not have a new thread until an actual update.

it was a meme where people thought it was confirmed info

It could certainly be a fun or at least interesting gimmick.