In retrospect, was he really the worst guy in history, or were there worse people before him?

well, he was an autistic sperg

there is no denial in that one

that'a cute anecdote

Stalin was worse

Stalin, even before Hitler took power.

Ian Kershaw's two volume biography of the man. Not only debunks memes, but also makes clear that memes are irrelevant anyway.

>Hitler was an incest baby
His father Alois and his mother Klara were cousins.

Genghis Khan was way worse. We just don't swear his name because he lived 800 years ago.

>directly
no.

This, jews are so butthurt about the banter they have to make up new shit every year

>implying Jesus existed

are you
>by one second implying all the genocide wasn't part of the socialism implantation
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To put it bluntly, he did want to see Germany triumph and succeed. He took measures to regain Germany's wealth and took political and military action to "re-acquire" a Germanic supremacy within Europe. He was too ambitious for his time and he over-estimated the Wehrmacht and Schutzstaffel, which caused major losses throughout the campaigns he aimed for. If someone in that time should be recognized for being the worst in that time period:
Josef Stalin was much worse, killing anyone he suspected of being against him, slaughtering allies and enemies alike. He also killed off his generals causing undertrained commanders to become his "next best" which went terribly and caused more death for Russia than anything else. It honestly is more impressive that historians don't note the actions Josef did in Poland, Yugoslavia, Ukraine, ect...

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Any scholar would imply a "Jesus of Nazareth" existed.

What they think of him will widely vary but the most mainstream is he was an apocalyptic prophet student of John the Baptist that was a little too vocal about the whole Kingdom of God thing and caused too much rebel rousing

There were a lot of really nasty guys in history. Picking the "worst" is going to come down to your own biases of what evils are worse than each other.

It also depends on whether you mean "worse" as in the nature of one's character, the impact that they had on the world, or both. There are probably people in the world today whose character are "worse" (depending on your biases, again) than Hitler, but they almost certainly will never have the means to commit atrocities on such a scale as him.

Chairman Mao's policies, for example, killed more people than the Holocaust and Stalin's purges combined by *accident*. Many consider both Hitler and Stalin to be worse than Mao due to their deliberate intent, but in an objective sense he's probably responsible for more suffering.

It's all in the metrics you use.

Nice propaganda.

Kershaw doesn't even read german, and he's supposed to be the top Third Reich specialist ? give me a break.

Genghis did nothing wrong.

that's just dumb

Can you really call them his followers when they didn't follow what he said?

I'm a pleb, could you elaborate on Mao's policies?

He was a true /pol/ack

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Not the guy you're responding to. The policies themselves weren't evil to begin with. When the evidence began to show that his policies didn't work (communes, steel manufacturing, sharing produce) he ignored it and persisted. His evil isn't so much in the policies themselves, but in his own arrogance.

After his policies failed the Communist party ostracised Mao, and rightly so. He tried to regain his power. He used the students to propagate the Cultural Revolution, said that the failing of the 50's were down to corruption within the Party and Chinese society and that they needed to be purged of the bourgeoisie. The Chinese Party actually tolerated this shit for a while and the movement grew out of control. The movement gained momentum in part because of Mao's reputation as a war hero, the party didn't want to openly oppose him.

Intellectuals were killed, ancient books destroyed, graves vandalised. Mao was a dick. In the end he was never interest in the betterment of the China, but in his own power and influence. I'm left leaning personally and whenever Mao is held up as an example of Communism I feel ill. The guy is the quintessential example of a power-lusting, megalomaniac.

Ah yes, trying to discuss history on a history board is propaganda apparently. Is there a reason why this question cannot be asked if Hitler is the individual in question? Does everything that doesn't fit tightly into your leftist narrative qualify as propaganda?

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They followed everything he said goy

In the long term, Hitler was actually one of the best, at least in the view of progressive post-modern ideology. Thanks to him, stuff like civil rights and racial/ethnic equality movements came to the forefront in western civilization. Without him and his goons to start the Holocaust, there would have been no 'grand awakening' to the 'horrors' of racism.
Thinking in the long term, I agree, though 'directly' is a bit of a stretch.

Not really. Despite Hitler's meme status as the worst, most evil thing ever, you don't even really need to try to find other equal horrible, disgusting inhumane acts.

Putting the more political reasons aside, there are a few key things as to why he is the 'worst thing ever'.

First, technology. The combination of mass media (or at least increased availability of information) and industrialised ethnic cleansing makes for a powerful combination.

Second, he was the loser in a war of aggression, with a big rap sheet. Even if he wasn't the worst person, things he did or those under him did were awful, and he lost eventually after trying to land grab.

He wasn't the first or last ethnic cleanser, but first to have access to (and utilise) industrial scale mass killing. Sacking a city, raping the women, forcing people to relocate, genocide generally, has absolutely happened before and since and almost certainly the people in charge of these monstrosities would be in many cases willing to kill 6 million innocents or enemies or more. You think most historical leaders wouldn't press that button to kill off all his enemies, if the possibility existed?

>Kershaw doesn't even read german
It would be surprising if someone who constantly cites German sources doesn't know German.

He had contemporaries with far more blood on their hands- Stalin and Mao come to mind.

Hitler just gets so much focus because he was right in the middle of Europe, and he wanted to exterminate/drive out an ethnic group who has a disproportionate influence over media and historical interpretation.

>Stalin and Mao
shitty economic policies != planned extermination

please, they killed plenty on purpose

>what is a gulag

Honestly not a /pol/ack follower, but it's pretty hard to get away from the Jewish domination of the American entertainment industry in promoting this one particular genocide as somehow quantitatively and qualitatively worse than an number of other mass exterminations that you could come up with in history. Hitler was a murderous dictator and ran a pretty drastically awful though ultimately self-defeating military machine, and was responsible for some millions of murders. No argument. All the same, it's a mystery to me how anyone can hand-wave away the miserable deaths of many, many more people at the hands of tyrants like Mao or Stalin - or even more under the Mongols, though of course the distance in time from us makes the murder of whole cities into more of a conceptual event that an active horror.

Bad guy, sure. Worst guy? Shrug. Depends on the lens you want to view it through.

I guess technically Himmler is worst than Adolf.

Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, Amin Dada are top tier top.

If Counts, then you could add Jesus and Muhammad

>taking the bait
>implying they actually fucked
I would have killed him too. Just look at that fat fuck, absolutely disgusting.

If we're talking percentages, then probably some particularly charismatic and bloodthirsty prehistoric tribal leader.

>Hitler insisted that Kubizek stalk Stefanie and delivered daily reports on her activity while he was away visiting his mother or family.[4] In one report, Kubizek wrote that Stefanie loved to dance and had taken lessons. Hitler disliked dancing and reportedly replied, "Stefanie only dances because she is forced to by society on which she unfortunately depends on. Once Stefanie is my wife, she won't have the slightest desire to dance!"
A man after my own heart.

sure thing they were murderers, but the million-fold death tolls attributed to them were in no way murders, but rather the consequences of dire policies that led to famine and rebellion.

Accusing Stalin or Mao of genocide is a bit like accusing George W. Bush for the killings of hundreds of thousands in Afghanistan and Irak

what about the Popes, Genghis Kan, Mohamed?

>the entire Nazi regime was Hitler

Himmler was far worse because he actually planned and executed the Nazi ethnic cleansing. If anything, he and not Hitler directly was genocidal.
Hitler was more into geopolitical issues and ruling the Reich. He let the dirty work for others.

>Hitler pissed sitting down

What's wrong with that?

Ironically, that same thinking is now bringing about the slow death of Europe. The demand for equality has turned into fanaticism and zealotry.