Why would any self-respecting man willingly put himself through the bullshit of an office job when there is so much money to be made in the skilled trades? An intelligent and ambitious person can become a millionaire in this line of work. Admittedly there are a lot of dumb people in the trades, but that just makes it easier for the right person to rise to the top, without dealing with the nonsense that goes on in the corporate world.
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Stop with the trade meme. Trades are contractual work. If your trade suddenly dries up like a lot of the oil demand in Texas, then you're shit out of luck. Some of those laborers were making easily $80k too. Nothing is guaranteed in life.
I am book smart, therefore I can rise above these underlings
You are a cuck anywhere in the world doing anything unless you are good looking.
no idea. Times changed mostly. Trade incomes increased dramatically and $250k manger jobs don't grow on trees anymore.
wrong. oil maybe, but things like electrical and plumbing will always be in demand even in a recession.
If you're not going to school then yeah
He does have a point. A lot of guys, not just the unskilled roughnecks but also skilled tradesmen, completely threw their lot in with the oil industry because they didn't understand the nature of boom and bust, they bought houses and made all kinds of commitments because they thought those paychecks from the oil patch would keep coming forever. This is one area where having a good head on your shoulders makes the difference, there's nothing wrong with taking advantage of an oil boom, but you need to understand the nature of that industry and have another plan.
Trade jobs are just factory jobs but outside. Only retarded rednecks who can't read books do trade jobs. Electricians understand the do's and donts but they can't explain the why or how. Are you the guy who keeps making threads with Mike Rowe as the pic? Just fuck off nobody important ever worked a trade for more then a year or two.
because I get to dress up nice and flirt with attractive women in the office
uh maybe because I don't want to destroy my back by the age of 30?
I can do that on my own time. Not having women in the workplace is one of the best things about being a tradesman.
At the end of the day the people who make it big in trades are business savvy salesmen who know how to manage retards as a contractor, so other than an understanding of said trade, being in a trade doesn't guarantee any huge financial success
And yea, the two people I know who work in trades, one does construction the other does plumbing/Hvac, are both fucked with physical pain in their mid 40s
The plumber/hvac is doing well for himself now that he does more contracting work, but damn is his body fucked
Mostly because this is hard manual labor and 90% of the people that do it are uneducated and uncultured jackasses. I've met some very talented tradespeople who do excellent work but their conversation is as dull as this metaphor. Literally the last kind of people I want to talk to, be around, be associated with in any way because all they can talk about are sports, women, alcohol and their job.
The lack of growth in a trade is also very distinct, as is the risk of downturns. No one wants a builder in a bad economy, no one wants a mechanic, no one wants miners right now. I'm not going to rennovate my bathroom when the economy is tanking.
Lastly, for jobs like plumbing, tiling, electrician, carpenter - these are physical jobs and most if not all in that field tend to put on weight, age terribly, have health issues and bad backs - it's not the kind of work you can sustain forever and with a distinct lack of promotional and exit opportunities I wouldn't pursue it.
The overwhelming majority of people on this board likely feel the same way. Not to say it can't be a good career choice, but it would be a poor choice for the people who browse Mongolian Imagr posting boards because the chances of fitting in with that bogan, masculine, uneducated mentality is pretty low.
Now let me tell a story of the last tradie I dealt with;
Book him to tile a room on Wednesday, job needs to be completed by Friday
he says yep no problem
before he even starts he expects me to buy the grout and materials
obviously it's expected that I pay for the tiles but I've not had to buy grout and glue (ie. The tools of his trade) before
he starts the job wednesday morning, gets a bit done
comes out after like an hour and is like "yeah nah I can't do the job today I have t go somewhere because a family member just died and I need to sort out the inheritance"
mmhmm... ok. He leaves
comes back Thursday
said he would be in at 8, comes at 11, comes in and says "im just gonna go get a coffee I'll be back in 15 minutes."
This before he even does any work
"actually i might get lunch too, ill be back in an hour"
comes back at fucking 4pm with no fucking explanation
does a tiny bit of work, leaves and says he will finish it on Friday
comes in Friday, almost the exact same thing happens, takes an hour break that turns into several, gets no work done
job supposed to be finished, says he will come Saturday to finish
comes saturday, decides he has ran out of glue and grout, says he will go get more (and charge me for it)
leaves, there's a hardware store about 10 minutes away so figure he wouldn't be long
comes back about 4 hours later
leaves again to do god knows what
come in late sunday with his weird coffee breaks and excuses
Doesnt finish until about 6pm Sunday
Honestly the most fucked up tiler I have ever dealt with.
Should have hired the Veeky Forums tile guy
You literally have never worked a trade in your fucking life.
Also why the fuck do a majority of you think it's okay to disrespect trade workers and assume that they're stupid just because they never went to school?
Wrong. I have been doing this for over 7 years.
Only one of them really did that. And it's a fair point that a lot of guys in the trades are not geniuses.
Because they trade all their time and energy for $20 an hour for 30 years then die from Pabst blue ribbon od
electrical and plumbing will always be in demand even in a recession.
Why didn't you have a fixed deadline that was mutually agreed upon in your contract? The instant he goes overdue, fire him, don't pay him a cent, hire someone else to finish it, and send him the bill. If he doesn't pay, sue him.
All you did was let him walk all over you. I can practically guarantee he was doing some call in work on the side at a higher hourly rate. Tradies do that all the time. You are under no obligation to tolerate that kind of shit. Shitcan him, leave him some reviews on yelp/Angie's list/whatever, and move on.
not really though
That just means you get to charge even more to fix things because they are already fucked six ways from Sunday by the time you come in. Market yourself as a high end specialist.
my ex chicks dad made 128k in 2012 and barely speaks English (serb).
He knew 3 phase and basically traveled the USA for the electric install company he worked for.
Which i assume was pretty fucking easy just installing busbars in huge factory's
his living expenses were also paid while traveling and it was only 3 months out of the year
The only easy trade is in excavation
tfw sitting comfy in my big rig watching hvac and plumbers sweat like slaves
This trades bait needs to die.
Working your ass off outside sucks, and whatever shit you are doing it's not going to help if your smarter than the guy with average intelligence and a stronger back.
Admittedly there are a lot of dumb people in the trades, but that just makes it easier for the right person to rise to the top
This is ESPECIALLY true in the USA. I'm thinking of quitting my office job to become an HVAC technician. Smart people in the trades make a killing in my area.
average intelligence in US tradesmen
Son, have you dealt with some of these people before? This isn't Germany.
I'm a soft and Squishy pussy
I watched my dads bosses all 3 ride the booms and busts like proffessional bull riders. In a few short uears these guys sold a company for over 40 mill, pretty much started over and now they bigger than ever at 50 dollar oil. hooe they let dad retire. I could do with a few NEET bux but id rather just see my dad enjoy a few year vacation.
Yeah anon, at least then he'd be well versed in kneepads.
work some "trade"
break my leg
can't work anymore
work in an office
break my leg
wheelchair in and continue my job
have my secretary pick my prints up for me
have my secretary pick my prick up for me
fixed that for you
We did have a fixed deadline. Main reason to not hire someone else is because who the fuck has time to take this guy to small claims court, get my money back, hire another guy to finish the job - in the meantime I only had half a bathroom.
He was also fairly unusual and living out of a van so I suspect he may have murdered me if I enraged him.
Regardless we did leave negative reviews and so on. Sometimes it isn't worth starting trouble. Despite his terrible work ethic the actual quality of the job was v high. Surprisingly.
Eh. I come at it from the real estate investment angle, so I have a different perspective. Someone being slow costs me time, and money. If he gets 3/4 of the job done, but is unreasonably delayed, he's done, and has no real legal recourse to sue you, so you get some free or discounted work. Helps to write late penalties into the contract. If he doesn't do much of anything, you can nail him for the costs of your delays, or at least the cost of his replacement.
That isn't to say that everything goes according to schedule. Reasonable delays are one thing. Stupid shit, weather in particular, happens. Materials don't show up on time, or are incomplete, etc. Logistics suck. Regardless, a guy showing up mid afternoon to work and going over time is not acceptable under any circumstance.
He was also fairly unusual and living out of a van
Screams unlicensed. Been bitten by that a few times. Besides the paperwork burden with insurance if something happens (thankfully it hasn't), you are taking a hell of a risk when hiring someone who isn't properly licensed. Lots of supremely shitty work. Sounds like you got lucky. Maybe misreading your situation badly, but from what you've said, I'd have disposed of him very quickly.
Actually, speaking of licensing, you can really abuse that in some states. For example, I think FL has it so that all contracts with unlicensed contractors are legally non binding. In other words, you can get them to do the work, and then just stonewall them. If they sue you, you just file a motion for summary judgement or whatever the legal song and dance is, and the case will go nowhere. If they push, the state regulators will eventually come in, and they will take a large dump on the contractor.
If you do want to become a tradie, make damn sure you aren't in a position to get screwed. Know your state laws very well. As with most contractor work, make sure you get payed in installments on large projects.
So you took a risk hiring a sketchy person so you could save some shekel. Fair enough, but I have no sympathy for you.
The corporate world is fucked up to be sure but some of us just aren't cut out for hard physical labor.
Nobody fucking cares
Some retard took too long to tile a bathroom. Literally who gives a fuck
not wanting to get paid while flirting
I've been working as a chemist in the construction adhesives industry for two years, and I've had to deal with everyone in the industry from the customers, to contractors, to VP's, to engineers, etc etc etc.
There's a fuckton of money to be made with this stuff. And as we move into an era of green building and construction, the profit margins are only going to get higher.
All a person needs is know how, connections, and a reliable crew. And frankly even if you don't have those, you can still make tons of money.
Great example: hardwood flooring. Hardwood flooring is expensive as shit. Urethane glue is expensive as shit. Rich people love it, and contractors love it because they can charge out the ass for labor and materials. We're talking jobs where the raw materials cost tens of thousands of dollars.
And yet rich people treat it like it's another area to cut costs, so they hire a bunch of Mexicans in a van to do it at cut rate. They don't use the right glue, they use shitty materials, and they don't do it properly. But they do it just right enough that they can get their money and book it before the customer comes calling. And because they don't need to worry about things like being bonded or insured, and because it's not taxed, it goes straight to the mattress.
There's baskets of money to be made, gents. You just need to go outside and make it.
I would agree. I work in healthcare and the constant bullshit emanating from the prevalent females is nauseating.