Why aren't more automaker specializing in electric vehicles? They're better than ICE in every way, the demand is huge...

Installing a charging port is easy and cheap. $10 fill-ups.

nice opinion

batteries have 300mi range.

90% of the people driving today could switch to a LEAF or a Model 3. They would only have difficulty a few days a year. When they might have to allot more time for fast charging or rent a gasoline car.

What outside a Tesla has a 300 mile range?

This. Get that mid to late 1800s shit out of here.

Keep riding the bus

>the demand is huge

Is that why taxpayers have to help purchase each one?

no. you get to reduce your own tax burden in exchange for buying one.

the money you didn't give in taxes, or spend on gas. stays in your local economy or is properly invested. that dollar spent on gas leaves your local economy(unless you are in an oil area). the dollar not spent on gas stays in the area and is rolled over and tax 14 times over.

heavy battery's
charging a battery faster than you discharge it will cause damage or waste
spindle overheating because model s and 3 a shit

this is a flawed product that might just scam enough funds to fix the problems by 4th gen

You won't see any of those "savings" since you bought an $80,000 car

Think of it like donating to charities, user. Except you get a car from the charity.

Do you really think most richfags donate out of kindness? It's simply to get into the next lowest tax bracket. It's all a government sham really.

This is always what it comes down to

>Buy new Tesla for £70,000
>Spend £4 a week on electricity
or
>Buy used petrol car for £500
>Spend £60 a week on petrol
>Takes 1158 months (96 years) to break even compared to model S

>It's all a government sham really
So why do you think the government is throwing money at Tesla and giving tax incentives?

Sorry, that's 1158 weeks, or 22 years to break even

model 3 est $35k
If you subtract the purchase price from fuel costs saved, the car is essentially free.

I wasn't that guy, I know Tesla is accepting literal billions in US Federal funding.

And yet it's still failing. Because electric cars can't compete in the market, yet.

That's what happens when government mixes with business.

>after taxpayers help out with $5 grand

>Gallon of gas is $2.22 (average)
>Shitbox Civic is $2000
>Shitbox civic gets 33mpg
>$33,000 difference
>14864 gallons of gas
>Need to drive your shitbox civic 490512 miles before Tesla becomes cheaper

>a $40k msrp would change everything
>electric karz r imposible!!

compare to a S Class or a 7 Series.

Which get 10/20 mpg.

godly 0rpm lightning bolts tho

tax payers aren't helping with shit. the government is letting you keep some of your own damn money.

>that dollar spent on gas leaves your local economy

Absolutely false. Federal, state, and local taxes on a gallon of gas are in the neighborhood of being 3x higher than the profits oil companies make on it, not to mention the money that goes to the gas station owners, regional/local distributors, their employees, all the taxes that those businesses and employees pay and all the stuff that they buy locally using that money.

Cheapest S class on Autotrader is this
autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201312060380903
>£1500
>35.5MPG combined
>Diesel is £1.15/L
>Tesla Model S is £70,000
>£68,500 is 59565 liters (13236 Brit gallons) of diesel
>Would need to drive 469,903 miles before Tesla is cheaper

Too many Tesla circlejerkers on Veeky Forums lately. I used to own one and can tell you that they're overhyped.

You forgot to include the $10k monthly repair bill on used German luxoships

>fuel costs saved
given that the model S has the Altima's interior quality, the 3 will have a Ford Focus' interior, sans any gauges or buttons. Thus, you could have bought a Ford Focus for the same purpose, except you can drive the Focus cross country. The Focus costs about 15k for a mid-level model off the lot. You get 40 MPG in the 2.0L focus, but we'll go with the average city/hwy, 31. Assuming you buy gas for $4 a gallon, double my current rates, you would have to buy 5000 gallons of gasoline, 155k miles, before it came to the 35k base cost of a Model 3.

Taking the higher insurance premiums, sales tax, and if applicable, property tax of the 3 will skew these results in the Shitbox's favor significantly.

I mean, we're talking about a Model 3. This will be a car specifically designed for people who view cars as an appliance, or a fashion statement. A Corolla or Focus would serve that first purpose nicely.

Hell, get a fuckin' Prius for your fashion statement:
Prius: 25k, 54/50 mileage, avg 52. 130k miles assuming my balls-high $4/gal price before the Tesla becomes even remotely close.

spending extra money on fuel savings NEVER works. Not for Diesels (with the exception of constant towing), not really for hybrids, and certainly not for Apple-y cars such as the Tesla.

gas stations get basically nothing from the sale of gasoline.

Still cheaper than a Tesla for at least 5 years, by which point it'll be worn out completely and need updated as mandatory firmware bricks your ECU

>spending 5yrs in a $1500 shitbox or spend the same on a new luxury car
math works out

>S class
>Shitbox

Teslas are expensive to maintain as well but they're trying to hide it for the time being with extensive warranty service.

>better than ICE

>no gearboxes ever - "you never needed to go faster than 60mph anyways, the engine alone is good enuff"
>shit range, still
>battery tech kills the environment faster than an ICE with a cat
>charging might be even worse depending on your local power source
>batteries are consumables
>ev damage control: "uh uh uh it's a city car just buy a real car, i mean, evil gas guzzler, if you want to go anywhere but work"

This. The reason I traded mine in was because it was getting annoying having it recalled every other week.

>$1500 sclass
>not shitbox

>£1500 = $2500
It's better than whatever you drive buddy

my LEAF has been maintenance free, besides tire rotation, brake pads, and a once a year battery test.

Yeah, but a leaf is essentially an electric Mirca on a slightly larger platform, it's not exactly a good car

Honestly feel bad for the Leaf.

>nissan needed no government bailout
>developed it out of free will
>better priced for the middle class

But Musk is the modern Steve Jobs where he can control millions of drones by using Twitter.

They get a little bit, not much though you're right on that point. Selling gas brings in lots of customers that they'd otherwise not have though. It depends on the area really; gas stations along the interstate in the middle of nowhere would completely die off if people didn't have to stop there to buy gas on their trip while neighborhood gas stations that mostly sell products to people who nearby would probably be alright.

Oh, you mean a $2500 s class? That's a huge leap up from a $1500 example. At that price you can be assured that it's low mileage pristine condition and up to date on maintenance and service. I thought you were talking about a $1500 farted in sclass. Thanks for clearing that up captain bus.

Even factoring in repair costs (and really it isn't that high of a mileage, its barely broken in at 130K) it'll be orders of magnitude cheaper than a model S

I disagree. The LEAF is a great car. Cost practically nothing to operate. Comfy for the price segment interior Handles ok because low center of gravity. Gets up and goes thanks to torks. I drive it 70 miles every day and make 120-180 mile trips a few times a month.

the added bonus of not paying tolls for HOT lanes and single occupant HOV lane use. this really cuts down my commute times.

>no gearboxes ever
what do they have ?
far as I can tell it has a reduction gear going to an open differential

I wonder why they don't have a centrifugal clutch in there for a second ratio
or another set of windings on the motor for high speed

I believe you

>Muh magic tesla will never ever break down and it'll be cheap to fix if it does

Tesla tried a 2 speed box. the ones small and light enough were too fragile.

so they wound the motor and geared it for a acceleration demons that run out of steam around 85 mph. while still having a 240 -300 mile range.

>all that shit you just said

Are you on fuckin' sherm right now?

We haven't even gotten to the $3,000 DLC to unlock your battery Tesla plans on rolling out.

Tesla has excellent warranty. They can repair a lot of stuff through remote. Can send a technician to fix it on the spot. Will send a flatbed with a loaner to replace your broken one.

Anything is better than being a slave to the oil Jew. I'm willing to give up the ghost of sikk skids and mad power to be rid of it

Mercedes diesel engines are famously tough, and can handle 500,000+ miles without any major work. the suspension would be the biggest worry, but air suspension is a pain on anything

How long is the warranty? Cause I can promise you $1000 charges for an indian to reset the ECU once it's run out

There's no reason a road car should ever go past 80mph, ever.

seems they do have to work with what they have and walk a fine line

only the after market would dare make a no expense spared build
at lest for now

go back to Bongistan.

>tfw 85mph highways

Here's the reason:

Your road designers are not incompetent assholes and your driver licensing system doesn't allow a large volume of incompetent assholes enter and remain in the road system because "muh freedom", so your long distance travelers can go faster than 60mph without crashing into a dipshit crossover mom going 20 under in the left lane or getting rammed by a hoon who got licensed in a camry and went straight out to buy a mustang afterwards.

>he's never been to LA

>being in a rush to die

Looks like he's just running over pedestrians in that photo. Those dumbasses shouldn't have been in the road if they didn't want to get run over, jaywalking is a crime you know.

Amerifag spotted

>mfw only North Americans say aloominum
>mfw gas/gasoline is an American only term
>mfw only North Americans and 3rd world shitholes still Farenheight and in general avoid metric
>mfw you even made up your own measurement of a gallon
>mfw you can't even spell colour

They never did that with mine.

>build safer cars
>build safer roads
>control traffic density by providing better public transport than rusty greyhounds and granting fewer licenses
>problem solved

"Color" is the correct spelling, you norman bastard.

Aluminum is how it spelled and pronounced, by the man who discovered and named the element.

Aluminium is wrong.

Gasoline has been in use to describe petroleum and petroleum products well before "petrol". Petrol was coined by the French, THE FRENCH.

Literally the most retarded point against raised speed limits I've ever seen in my life.

>I have never watched Mad Max.

And then they go to a track. And a 70's carbied Datsun beats the Tesla...

That drag time is only good one time on a fully charged battery too.

>Spend a few hundred bucks to rent a car to road trip and pay oit the ass for "coverage" or hope a grain of sand doesnt make an indentation in the clear coat on the molecular level otherwise you're buying Hertz a complete sand and spray for that 2004 Malibu and god fucking help you if you bring it back with pint less gas than you got it unless you like paying 99999% markup on your gasoline
>Oooooor
>Just take the $40000 car you're already fucking paying for monthly
Yeah totally 10/10 best idea. Fucking retard.

>I cannot read and understand that he in fact did not insult the word guzzoline from mad Max but insulted the usage of the word petrol from Europe

teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/ouch-first-huge-repair-bill.70396/

Tesla is walking down the path of German automakers, where the products become undesirable after the warranty expired.

>$45K for full battery pack replacement
>$8500 for brake replacement

That's what happens when you make a car an appliance that's obsolete as soon as the new one comes out and doesn't have user maintenance in mind.

>Tesla accepted 5.6 billion in federal funding last year alone
>tax payers aren't helping with shit

>being this triggered

>99% of ppl don't drive "long distances"

Well you certainly don't live in the US then

God Teslashills are everywhere.

>yfw an electric car can't even do a few laps at Hitlerring

Actually, German repair prices have become normal because Tesla is so rubbish.

And the residual value of £0 at the end of the battery's warranty.

I can't wait until Chevy finally kills off Tesla with the Bolt.
>it's a crossover
>families actually want crossovers these days, especially in yurop
>the interior isn't spartan and looks good
>it'll be released this year
>realistic production targets
meanwhile at Tesla
>it's a sedan
>sedans don't sell in yurop
>spartan interior, looks really cheap
>it'll be released next year, Tesla's reputation knowing it'll probably end up being delayed into 2018
>Tesla's reputation for 'quality', or whatever that's supposed to mean in Fremont
>Tesla still can't get enough production capacity

Yet somehow the Tesla is considered the better car. Again, I can't wait until reality comes short of expectation and Tesla going bankrupt because of a huge-ass recall.

>better in every way
>has shit range
>so much shit range than Elon Musk drives a 3 series
>charging takes forever
>specialized superchargers are still slow
>still burns carbon somewhere else
>doesnt exactly "produce" it's own power but stores power made somewhere else into batteries
>software in your car telling you how much battery to use
>10 year life on batteries

no OP

Until innovation in electric (or something else, who knows maybe nuclear power!) vehicles becomes necessarily superior to oil-derivative powered vehicles, nothing will change. No government funding or tax rebates will ever change that.

The technology simply isn't there yet.

>They're better than ICE in every way,
Wrong. The limitations of the technology currently available are significant. It will be at least 15 years before they are truly better in every way.

insurance, maintenance and registration
driving one car at a time, it still costs twice as much to own two vehicles.
joke is, it's still more environmentally friendly to own a gas motorcycle instead of a fucking ridiculous 1 tonne tesla shit.

if electric shits cared about the environment we would be back to the sinclair C5 only it would work now because we have cheap lithium cells instead of the 6km range that the 20kg of SLAs offered, CVTs and better more efficient electric motors.

Just imagine if everyone rode bikes

IIHS would find a way to make them fat as fuck and caged for "crash test reliability"

>battery life
>kwh capacity
>weight
>improved in 15 years

not likely, hybrids on E85 and diesel with toroidal CVTs are more likely to take over than all electric.

I mean the overpriced BMW i8 is already miles better than the M3.

What this means is the death of N/A but also the death of turbolag. expect 650cc econoboxes with shitloads of torque and 200hp forced induction power at 6500rpm with no lag and instant torque in your bear future.

>E85
A complete dead end failure. E85 can't compete with gasoline without subsidies and even then is still a failure.

Brazil will most likely start exporting alot of E85, same with mexico and other countries.

The US is a weird place when it comes to alcohol addatives since you can keep your cars forever there.

Unless new cars have fuel flex to be sold in the US and the government GTFOs the picture so people other than corn farmers can start making alcohol out of algae then it would be a rough start there. Elsewhere they have been running E90 like fuels since the 90s

>Elsewhere they have been running E90 like fuels since the 90s

What? Show me where they've been running 90% ethanol, 10% gasoline fuel for the past 30 years. I'll wait.

I would confidently say you're wrong.

Well the problem with the E85 subsidies in America is the corn itself. It leads to an overabundance of corn, which feeds the use of corn syrup and other corn related food "products", and the environmental effects of needing to protect that corn are disastrous. There's a shitload of runoff that goes straight to the Mississippi Delta and adds to the Gulf of Mexico Dead Zone. Not good.

There are likely much better uses for the land there than making truckloads of corn but if the farmers get paid by the government for making corn for E85 why would they farm anything else?

It's going to be interesting seeing how alternative fuels evolve alongside gasoline in the next decades.

replacement batteries for the S are fixed at 10k for the 60kwh and 12k for the 85 kwh. That is of course after the the 8 year battery warranty has expired. while the warranty is still on the battery, Tesla pays to replace it.