If capitalism doesn't work, and neither does communism, fascism or anarchism, then what works?

Meism always works for me babe

Capitalism doesn't even exists. It's a meme buzzword, like Cultural Marxism, invented by a Jewish revolutionary in the XIXth century and that managed to catch on because it served the interests of the intelligentsia as a caste aiming at absolute political, economical, cultural and social power.

Space Alexander the Great.

People in 500 years will probably be laughing at all of these notions. Application of empirically tested and verified policies with ongoing feedback and modification without reference to which "principles" are involved is the the path forward. Capitalism works tolerably well because it contains many of the necessary elements (feedback optimization, flexible structuring of reward and risk balances, etc) but it also hits a brick wall when applied to larger networked social systems where externalities start to become non-trivial factors. The colossally botched US health care system is a case in point but there are many others.

A ruthless dictator who rules with an iron fist, with the single goal of distributing humanity as far into the reaches of space as possible.

The end goal of his rule is, of course, to make human society so large and spread out that it would be impossible to control under a single government, especially his own.

yeah god tried that, didn't work. roll again.

social democracies, i.e. checked capitalism with intelligent government spending as attested by the superiority of Northern/Western European countries.

Jesus was not known for his advocacy of the Roman space program

any prosocial (socialism) system requires the absence of antisocials (sociopaths)

antisocials live in a separate antisocial society, populated with only antisocials (sociopaths, psychopaths). only anti-socials are allowed to exist in this society. all sociopaths get to realize their biological potential by living in the society that their biology is fit for.

prosocials live in a separate society from antisocials, with antisocials being deported to their respective sociopathic society.

jesus ≠ god

hedonism work
then hedonists spend their life trying to feel good being fullon heodnist

Antisocials wouldn't go along with that, you should realize

> harmony with own nature

Our nature is to develop and progress. I like the low population ideo though.

It's like you have absolutely no ambition whatsoever.

fuck off mudshit

State Capitalism.

It works as long as you don't get yourself in a world with most of the world.

Ask Nazi Germany.

that sounds gay 2bh pham

Why should humanity tolerate antiosocials (sociopaths, psychopaths, and assorted meanies)?
Why should society accept and protect those who proudly reject, exploit, and destroy it?

why should prosocials be forced to go along with antisocials who are always exploiting and destroying prosocials?

Toleration is not the problem. Society DOES ostracize antisocials.

The problem is that most antisocials are smart enough to not be obvious or detectable, and they seek positions of power. The world is run by psychopaths- every single government is rife with them, simply by the aspirations of manipulation and control that most of them have.

Your proposed society would only serve to weed out the antisocials not competent enough to game the system, while leaving the most subtle, capable, and dangerous ones in power, as always.

Only reasons the Nazis didn't collapse economically was they kept going to war.

not this faggot again

this

>but they are living in harmony with their own nature.

>serve to MANUALLY weed out the antisocials not competent enough to game the system

sociopathological disorders are caused by genetic factors

just like some people are genetically predisposed to schizophrenia, psychosis, bipolar etc

it can also result from environmental factors

some people are genetically predisposed to sociopathology and are predatory and antisocial

technology has advanced. it can be automated.

it would be a multi-staged process of weeding out:

-brain scans, genetic analysis would be 1st stage to identify antisocials

-administer psychological tests like Stanley Milgram Experiment to the youngins, for early detection

-apply hoarding vs sharing experiments in school/workplace to identify the antisocials

-identify bullies in schools, workplace

-analyse family history

-criminalise greed, hoarding, bullying, intimidation and all antosocial behavior

the antisocials/culprits would join other antisocials in their own society/country separated geographically from prosocials

China practices a bit different brand of state capitalism and they seem to be doing mostly ok without invading anyone except South China Sea.

nothing works. that's life.

And what exactly do you think would prevent the antisocials in this situation from defeating the initiation of this system, considering their occupancy of most or all relevant positions of power?

Furthermore, why wouldn't the antisocials immediately re-infiltrate normal society?

>they seem to be doing mostly ok without invading anyone
except the hearts, minds, homes, and lives of every one of their billion+ citizens

lol, biggest shithole since talibanese afstanighan

How so? There isn't a massive revolt in China so I suppose there isn't a movement to replace the government.

>prevent the antisocials in this situation from defeating the initiation of this system, considering their occupancy of most or all relevant positions of power

did the British defeat Gandhi?

strong popular movement recognizing the oppression and exploitation of the masses by antisocials and engaging in peaceful transformation of society via Tolstoy/Gandhi methods against the antisocials

>antisocials immediately re-infiltrate normal society

re-infiltrating antisocials would be detected by multi-staged process:

also, antisocials derive their power from others and attain disproportionate power

disproportionate power allocation via hierarchy, profit, finances, investments would be impossible in the prosocial society due to limits on hoarding and allocation of wealth/resources to individuals and the absence of hierarchy

the greedy antisocial would have the same social/financial power as an infant and thus have no methods to exploit and dominate over others

Judaism

Hi Leto

Distributism.

post scarcity capitalism where machines can shit out food and goods by reconfiguring the molecules of our trash and we go full Star Trek.

will not actually be how you picture it

it'll be more like wall-e

Anarcho-capitalism

Tribalism in a nomadic hunter gatherer society.

> empirically tested social systems
I'm not saying you're wrong, but...

How would a society with an elected government come up with a control group for testing a solution to things like water shortages or lagging unemployment.

It sounds impossible to ever have an elected official support empirical tests.

Capitalism does work you idiot, the only problem with it is that it produces butthurt.

China's economy has nothing to do with Nazi Germany's.

Kaczynski pls

Only communism can exist in a post scarcity society

Moderate statism. Socialism. Possibly a monarchy in addition.

Free (but regulated to avoid market capture) market on all non-infrastructure-type markets. All infrastructure type markets should be primarily governed by the government (i.e. health, education, police etc)

This. Comeback when?

When will the robots do all the work for us,so we can play vidya and watch anime all day? Fucking lazy robots...

Whites are the only true minority
we are so fucked

Ilustrated despotism practicing capitalism i.e. A constitutional plutocracy.

I was distributist a few years ago! :)

Now I simply describe myself as an egalitarian person who wishes the best to all people and thinks that we must help all unfortunate and needy people.

Wrong. They must help themselves. I've been helped all my life and I've never learned a single skill to self-sustain.

I'm a literal nigger and have no clue what to do with myself and spend all day shitposting. I have no skills, no plans, and no aspirations.

I am a mouth to feed and a literal nigger.

Stop feeding fucking Africa their population is going out of control you stupid fuck.

Free markets are good but capitalism isn't. Mutualism is a good idea to look into.

Communism absolutely works

Just let us do it in peace

>thinking a single form of government can continue indefinitely

>in peace
>literally requires class genocide and bloody revolution even in theory

No can do, Schlomo

U MENA WELFARE CAPITALISM

Meming aside, real communism actually hasn't been tried yet

Communism only works when class struggle has already vanished naturally

:^)

Class struggle is a meme and a way for the commies to turn our attention away from racial struggle, the thing that actually matters.

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Reuental?

HOHHHHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhh..........

Racial struggle is a meme and a way for the degenerates to turn our attention away from moral struggle, the thing that actually matters.

this. anyone who thinks differently is a pervert.

I'm an ecologist and you are dummy. Humans never lived in harmony with nature, only the effects of mankind have been more heavier today.

How can capitalism not work? It's the natural status of economic interactions. It's other systems that need to prove themselves by actually managing to impose themselves.

Racial and moral struggle is the same thing.

Drastic population reduction.

The current human population is a 500 pound morbidly obese pariah with nearly zero mobility.

An economic system where every business is a worker cooperative and eventually communicate effectively enough to establish social planning.

Capitalism isn't a system of gov't.

The US healthcare system is not a free market.

classical capitalism with government regulation to a moderate degree is the way to go

Economic systems control everything, especially government. Capitalism is the reason some Americans only vote once every two years, and the rest don't even participate.

We need drastic population reduction
So let's feed all the niggers in Africa

We're fucked m8s.
If all this social justice equality shit goes through
The flood gates will open
The welfare will increase
The crime rates will skyrocket
And we'll be fucked forever paying for Tyrone's kids that shoot up the club every weekend.

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Capitalism exists even in hunter-gatherer societies...

Capitalism can exist even just between 2 individuals.

The only ingredients you need to foment the irresistible advancement of capitalism is for the concept of private property to exist, a way to enforce contracts (can be something as simple as shaming), and most importantly, leaving people free to engage in voluntary exchange.

This is why people have been trading with seashells and arrowheads and shit since long before recorded history.

You sound like a fucking turboautist. This whole system strikes me as rather antisocial and unrealistic, given that it demands that all prosocials just go along with it.

How will you get prosocial parents to surrender their antisocial children?

Racial struggle is a meme and a way for the Bourgies to turn our attention away from class struggle, the thing that actually matters.

Bourgies = Anglos and Kikes. You remove those two races and the class conflict ends.

>yfw we are currently in oligarchy, not democracy

Doing it right, my friend!

The problem is that nobody wants to stop. Liberals get their bleeding hardon, and capitalists get a charity-subsidized plantation system since Africans can grow cash crops plantation style instead of worrying about subsistence farming.

If they give charity in the form of food, they even get tax breaks. And the food basically serves to make the cash crops cheaper since that part of the workers' living expenses are effectively subsidized. It's a no-lose situation and it aint going away so long as they can pay political shills to jerk everyone around with moral rhetoric.

>ecologists can't read

Communism will work comrade

The only correct answer, all others are limited by the pitiful restraints of single-planet economics.

How can people think any discussion of long-term socioeconomic stability to be productive, if the long-term existence of their species is not reasonably secure?

Probably an evolution of capitalism desu.
I imagine in the forseeable future you will have to become customers to a "Government Company", this in turn will probably become feudalism again and then we come full circle

>class
>genocide

I can't wait until we all live together under one Google nation, divided in glorious Alphabet states, surveilled 24/7 for the glory of our emperor/CEO Sergey Brin

The status quo is fine.

All other ideologies are LARPers.

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>A prison guard is relaying these threads to Kaczynski who types out his reply on a mechanical typewriter which is then relayed back to us

>prosocials continue eternal struggle under abuse, exploitation, enslavement by the antisocials
>prosocials distance the antisocials from their society

in a prosocial society, only antisocials beget antisocials, the parents are antisocial if they managed to produce antisocial offspring

You seem really dedicated to this system that would be borderline impossible to enforce or establish, and just end up devolving into a hyper-fascist police state that would deport folks who are deemed "psychopathic" for disagreeing with the party line, which would in turn result in riot and fire, at which point the residents of Psychopath Australia would actually be much better off than everyone else.

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