Did Hitler already have his invasion of Poland planned for the future when he became chancellor in 1933? Was WW2 inevitable with Nazi Germany existing? Or is there any way the Nazi state couldve existed peacefully?
Did Hitler already have his invasion of Poland planned for the future when he became chancellor in 1933...
Isaiah Roberts
Lucas White
>is there any way the Nazi state couldve existed peacefully?
that would have gone against their philosophy somewhat, to the point where they needed to start shit or lose enough credibility to die from that.
Ryder Robinson
I'm pretty sure "Lebensraum" was always on Hitler's mind from the start
Dylan Hernandez
The Hossbach memorandum from 1937 talks about gaining more living space. However, it doesn't mention a planned attack on Poland. He only discusses briefly whether Poland would attack the Reich from the rear in case of a conflict with the Western Allies.
Hudson Davis
Indeed, he even spoke about it extensively in his book "Mein Kampf", chapter XIV if anyone's interested.
Chase Butler
And where else would they've gained more living space?Poland was the perfect target, a recently reinstated country which was out of the picture for the last 130 years with no proper army to defend itself from the vastly superior and recently fully mechanized German war machine.
Zachary Clark
>And where else would they've gained more living space?
In the Hossbach memorandum, he talks about Austria and Czechia. Poland is mentioned, but not in the context of living space.
Jace Wood
And in "Mein Kampf" ,he speaks of colonizing most of Eastern Europe, including Poland.
Brandon Watson
Padaj nazad na /int/ ty balkansky cigan
Ian Ross
Ethnic Germans were being massacred.
Sebastian Ward
does he mention the subsequent gang rapes of tens of thousands of Nazi girls when his plans turned south?
Kayden Bailey
>Or is there any way the Nazi state couldve existed peacefully?
No, for several reasons:
1. The Nazi-run economy was unsustainable and desperately short on important resources and hard currency. They desperately needed more to keep them going, and there wasn't enough in Germany, so naturally Hitler looked elsewhere. That's why one of the first things the Germans did after annexing Austria and the Sudetenland was to seize massive amounts of gold.
2. As an ultranationalist dictatorship, Nazi Germany was naturally inclined towards war.
3. The Nazis were extreme anti-communists, the Soviets were extreme anti-fascists, both governments wanted to control Eastern Europe, and there was no nuclear deterrent to prevent them from going to war. A conflict between the two was inevitable.
4. The Nazi's entire ideology basically demanded that "lesser peoples", especially the Slavs and Jews, be subjugated and then enslaved or exterminated. Things like Generalplan Ost were based on Nazi ideas going all the way back to the earliest days of the party, when one of your core beliefs is "let's kill Slavs" you're obviously going to be more likely to try to kill Slavs.
Adam Barnes
A claim which was later proven to be false, those who've been killed were protesters who've assaulted Polish police officers in a riot which erupted during the protests in some German-dominated towns.It's needless to say that the numbers of the killed were grossly exaggerated.
It's called military reciprocity, the Germans have raped Russian women and they've raped theirs in return.
Volksdeutscher trying to speak Polish, I bet you have flashbacks of the fall of Berlin whenever you hear the word"Kurwa".
Dominic Bennett
>Polish
Ty si tak retardovany ze to viac ani nejde. Vsetko na juh od Dunaja su turecke opice.
Michael Young
That's not true.
Think about it. If what neo-Nazis claimed was true (tens of thousands of ethnic Germans murdered), you should be able to easily find and post a non-Nazi source claiming that ethnic Germans were being massacred BEFORE the German invasion, yet none exist.
Leo Thomas
>Did Hitler already have his invasion of Poland planned for the future when he became chancellor in 1933?
Nah. Fall Weiss became the contingency in 1937.
>Was WW2 inevitable with Nazi Germany existing?
Yep. As soon as Germany started throwing their weight around on the continent, which was inevitable given their philosophy, war was coming. The more the Entente conceded, the bolder Germany got and it just spiraled out of control.
Jacob Miller
Forgive me, you're either Czech or Slovak.How does it feel to know that all of your precise industry and semi-competent companies are in the hands of Germans?
Isaac Parker
How does it feel that Bosnia doesn't have any industry whatsoever and has the 2nd lowest IQ in Europe after Albania? Muslim trash.
William Gomez
Very disheartening, plus I'm not Muslim.
Leo Perry
He speaks about the (in his opinion) impending collapse of the Soviet Union, not sure where Poland is mentioned there. Also, Mein Kampf was written in the 1920s and it's possible that some details of Hitler's plans on foreign policy were changing over time, especially as political circumstances changed.
Landon Young
>balkansky cigan
>slovak
>calling anyone cigan
ebin :DDDDD
Elijah Morgan
Hitler actually had completely different worldview by '41, he evolved into more of a pan-Europran nationalist rather that the Germanic irredentist he was in the 1920s.
Brody Sanders
>>>/plyn/
Ian Harris
>pan-European nationalist
Except for the Slavs, Jews, and gypsies. So he was more of a 3/5 of Europe-nationalist
Camden Evans
>jews and gypsies
>European
James Anderson
He was allied with several Slavic nations by '41
Hunter Gonzalez
It's most likely exaggerated but there was some persecution during the weeks prior to September 1939. Pic related are the reports by the British ambassador (who isn't even a really neutral observer). I think physical violence against Germans only started after the outbreak of the war, I'm not sure though.
Leo Collins
>1941
>Europe occupied by Germany
>pan European
You don't say?
