And most games in the playoffs were 1 sided 2 0 stomps even with memeback
Cameron Sanchez
d-d-digi toe c-cake
Jason Edwards
Then why do early game kills mean nothing. CM is the premiere early game killing hero and is never picked because kills before level 5 or 6 don't even cover the cost of a smoke + regen
Jaxson Evans
IO lost EG BTFO Trump behind 8% margin in national polls
White genocide is real :((
Oliver Green
What now?
Joshua Bailey
wouldn't even be surprised if the chinkjew tries to "expand" his failing brand into dota and wants to siphon DC
Jaxon Torres
Wings toyed with DC when they picked pudge/techies and then Pudge during game one.
They seemed to have a hard on for ET that no other team seemed to respect. ET and Batrider seemed to be the game winners during this TI.
Very sad how DC played near the end. They were extremely cocky instead of cautious. Against wing's draft you needed to play safe and counter AOE spells with BKB's and escape heroes. You have to out farm them to win.
James Wright
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Joseph Davis
Good finally the hispanics will take over America and turn it into North South America.
You white cucks are digging your own grave.
Luke Nelson
What was the PPD master plan this TI?
Leo Miller
thanks reddit, what an insightful and unique meme
William Green
I disagree
MVP beat them by being super aggressive TNC did the same albeit idk if wings was hiding their power level it was just group stages
Josiah Ramirez
No seriously though, why are people glad that OG/EG/DC lost? Don't fucking cheer for chinks to win you race traitor fucks. If asians dominate dota it's going to die because of the sheer boredom and lack of interest and relatability in the professional scene like Starcraft 2 did.
Remember, ANY western team winning is better than a chinese victory.
Brandon Jones
>honeypot group stages
Jason Anderson
MVP and TNC were the only other teams besides wings in this tournament to play clown fiesta/ caveman dota and it could possibly be the only way to truly defeat them.
Jaxon Flores
I like australia and i like iceiceice i don't care about the other chink teams i don't like romanians
Ryan Edwards
win TI but misery ignored the throw order funny how they got beaten 3-0 later
Kevin Wright
This season has almost completely removed the emphasis on early game advantages. It's literally designed to devolve into a late game constant team-fight comeback tug of war.
Xavier Thomas
Actually, any team winning a back to back TI would seriously fuck up Dota 2. I would be more worried about ""Icefrog"" adding more memeback to make the tournament scene even more unpredictable.
Ryan Jackson
white people wanted io to win? why?
Cameron Johnson
Are you dumb? China got rekt this TI outside of Wings. The only other chinese team to breach top 8 was Ehome and they finsihed 5/6th which is worse than what they and most people expected.
Wyatt Rodriguez
>I missed when EG got knocked out
Dammit. Is it possible to go to archives of stickied threads?
I just know the EG butthurt would have been massive. They tend to angrily start blaming everything but the team.
Dominic Flores
Yes but it was more win laning stage kill them the moment they come out of the base until the advantage is so big they lose.
Its was very reminiscent of what happened to newbee when they played vs liquid. Newbee was way better than liquid but they got destroyed in the laning phase and A+clicked the moment liquid saw them
Evan Murphy
how long until treasure is marketable and they release the "if we past the last year pool, everyone gets money" treasure?
Benjamin Smith
This is precisely why a lot of the skill that was originally in dota was removed. The laning stages mean almost nothing anymore unless you get completely dumpsetred. Back then if you got ganks a couple of times you were fucked because you needed a ton of kills/last hits to come back.
Christopher Allen
You are 100% correct.
But one thing you must understand is that Starcraft 2 did not die because of Chinks, it died because of Gooks.
We are still at a 50/50 win-rate between west and east teams at the TI's. This year's Chink victory was expected in order to restore the constant back and forth pattern between east and west.
Wings was the only competent Chinese team this year. The rest were garbage. We have to win next year though.
Jace Flores
This was the first year I felt good about not buying a compendium. It's just not the same anymore... Not like Dota 2 in its peak years. People memed for years about how diverse the hero pool was at each TI, but really the pros were always trying to pick the safest/most op stuff possible. And now that heroes get nonstop buffs every fucking patch, it feels like there's less variety.
Luke Wilson
Its not just that, roles are slowly eroded away in favor of raw damage or stuns
They are turning heroes into lol champions to simplify everything
just like with the jungle
the multipurpose items
scaling int
and all that
Gabriel Myers
I agree with this and it's terribly depressing.
Dota used to be a lot more fun for me before the fucking comeback mechanics were put in to reward failure.
Eli Lewis
>dota didn't have a competitive scene (no, almost nobody knew it existed ) till essentially TI1 >dota will die if chinks dominate TI Being this much of a newfag
at this rate valve is going to kill the game no matter who wins the tournaments
Brody Scott
This is just a reminder that the Chinks only won this Ti because of the cancerous comeback mechanics. DC stomped them during the laning phase 3/out of four games but they came back because of shitty comeback gold.
David Thomas
You mean the laning phase now means literally nothing? Welcome to 2016doto
Ethan Taylor
i feel sick and have to hand in an assignment tomorrow that i havent started. genuinely too, not the '10 word essay due in 2 hours' shit
i like ice because he's a shitposter irl and keeps a deadpan expression at all times also he plays et
Adam Edwards
Yup shit sucks I understand that before all this shit was implemented comebacks were difficult but they were definitely possible through hard work and outplaying the enemy team.
Now teams make one missplay or mistake in the mid game and all of the sudden the enemy team is back int he game with a kill thats worth over 1k gold and a tower/rosh kill. Heck the enemy team doesn't even have to make a missplay the other team just needs to get off one effective smoke gank and the comeback is on.
Mason Foster
anyone?
Benjamin Wilson
I'm new to dota from this TI, I've played like 20-30 games.
Who do I pick/what role do I play to do well in pub games? I don't know all the tactics like pulling the lane to jungle/stacking camps very well.
Jeremiah Gutierrez
I was thinking about this lately. What if we went back to the way things were at TI2? Or maybe even before that to TI1(with all the heroes of course) or WC3 Dota? Like, literally roll back all the patches. Because the level of skill increased absurdly, shitters like PGG were TI worthy pro players back then for example. So who knows, maybe these patches were being played all wrong? Maybe the game was better/worse than we thought back then?
Asher Clark
6>3>5>4>1>2 Most of ti4 was okay, it only became cancer towards the end.
Kayden Gonzalez
>lanebabbies going full pepe as they project vicariously through DC
lel
There is a reason that your kind is being purged systematically from every single ASSFAGGOT.
Camden Brooks
>Who do I pick/what role do I play to do well in pub games? Anti Mage :^)
Adrian Ortiz
>Its not just that, roles are slowly eroded away in favor of raw damage or stuns
Ok, kinda agreed
>They are turning heroes into lol champions to simplify everything
This contradicts the previous statement though, since LoL heroes have very well defined and developer enforced roles, the opposite of "roles are slowly eroded away"
Ryan Gomez
It matters less and less with every patch. Just learn the fundamentals of the game. I don't know if Professor Fierce's tutorials are still up but he left behind a great place to begin your little journey.
Daniel Wilson
Like honestly this TI was even worse than TI 4.
William Rivera
TI4 was amazing though. You don't seriously enjoy rubber band Dota do you? That would be like admitting your a retard.
>deleted dota this morning because i was sick of 5ks getting angry at me (im 4k) >already reinstalling sigh
Owen Gray
Well probably never know but those were some glorious years of Dota. Also let's be real here PGG was never a TI worthy player. He could only play one hero and still sucked at it.
Daniel Young
>this year EG butthurt is manifesting as tears about 'memeback'
BASED LET THEM FLOW
Asher Morales
TI5 was even worse than this one.
Gabriel Russell
EG didn't lose to memeback, though???
The people bitching about memeback are the ones who got fucked by Fnatic, like MVP and Liquid fans
John Miller
?
EG didn't even lose because of comeback they just drafted and played like shit.
Jaxson Sullivan
Could you fags keep it in one thread and recycle this one later? Thanks
t. Non-autismo
David Morris
The thing is that back then the lead was generated through hardwork. its not that there weren't no comebacks per se but the lead signified one team was already about to win the game that was even up until the lead started
Memeback renders everything pointless
Teams suck ass this year because they can't ""feel" the game, everyone gets free gold and experience and the early game doesnt matter that much so what is everyone supposed to do?
There are no real timings perse aside from roshes and maybe the first big item.
no it needs to get back to 6.81 and start over from there
82 and 83 were similar to 81 back had memeback and 82 kinda went overboard with the memepush protections
84 completely ruined the game beyond repair since it introduced all the gold changes and the new lol items
Elijah Cox
That 2 minute fight in game 2 where DC kept tping in 1 at a time into 5 reminds me of my 2k days
Jaxon Sanders
We lost because our one lord and savior universe missed two tide ulties and EG panicked at the end while at the DC throne.
EG was our only hope against wings
Gavin Hughes
isn't your chicken shitting everywhere
Evan Cruz
That isn't how EG butthurt goes. They try to mask it by taking up whatever cause they think might even remotely justify EG losing.
Somehow that the game isn't "pure" and that EG can only play "pure" Dota.
They have been doing this for years.
Brody Sullivan
>those were some glorious years of Dota Yes, but what if that is just because no one was playing as well as they could? Maybe the laning stage didn't matter at all back then too and we just didn't know. Maybe it mattered even more, so much that nothing else mattered (specially if we go back far enough to before smoke existed as a thing). >Well probably never know unfortunately
Isaac Ramirez
they live outside
Jeremiah Turner
>They try to mask it by taking up whatever cause they think might even remotely justify EG losing
nah mate it was pretty clearly ppd's bad drafts this time