So how do you feel when people say the Chinese never had an empire or conquerored other groups? Also how did the Han people, the quintessential "Chinese", become so dominant population and culturally wise? What were the other groups living in China then before the Han took over their lands?
Anyone care to shed to some light for an user ignorant on their history.
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>So how do you feel when people say the Chinese never had an empire or conquerored other groups?
That they're dumber than a sack of bricks because China was full of other ethnic groups when the Han were just restricted to the yellow river plain.
>Also how did the Han people, the quintessential "Chinese", become so dominant population and culturally wise?
By being situated on an extremely productive river and growing rapidly while maintaining cultural cohesiveness.
>What were the other groups living in China then before the Han took over their lands?
Evidently, Central and Southern China were full of what you'd consider Southeast Asians before the Han came in and settled the area. The Han have very northern stock and probably migrated across Siberia thousands of years ago. The Southeastern types were pushed further down into Southern Asia by the Han and wound up displacing the original inhabitants of Southeast Asia who were probably very similar to the Papuans and even the Negrito people. I know very little of Chinese history, but I have read some theories on how the Han wound up spreading throughout all of China and displacing the original Inhabitants.
>Also how did the Han people, the quintessential "Chinese", become so dominant population and culturally wise?
Unification of northern China,Sinicization,migration and elite diffusion.
Han as an ethnic identity ironically arose from the whims of foreign rulers who used it as a umbrella term for native Sinitic speakers of northern China.
>Evidently, Central and Southern China were full of what you'd consider Southeast Asians before the Han came in and settled the area.
Maybe linguistically,genetically options are limited as most of the samples are from the neolithic and lack autosomal dna.
>The Han have very northern stock and probably migrated across Siberia thousands of years ago.
Agreed. Uniparental markers show that Erlitou,Yanshi(early Shang) and Yinxu(late Shang) all show similarities with both the sedentary and nomadic populations of the Chinese "northern zone"(Hebei,Inner Mongolia,Liaoning)
Longshan the cultural predecessor of Chinese civilization however is a fusion of Yangshao and Dawenkou who form outliers in regards to modern day populations.
>The Southeastern types were pushed further down into Southern Asia by the Han and wound up displacing the original inhabitants of Southeast Asia who were probably very similar to the Papuans and even the Negrito people.
Tai Kadai/Tibeto Burman migrations are independent of Chinese conquest.
> but I have read some theories on how the Han wound up spreading throughout all of China and displacing the original Inhabitants.
The original inhabitants of the lower/central/middle Yangtze are long gone while groups further south were driven to the highlands.
The genetic affinity of regional Han subgroups to minorities show that the southernmost groups have significant native admixture.(compare Hunan Han with the Tujia,Hakka and Fujianese to the She,Cantonese to the Zhuang)
OP here, who were these people you guys are talking about that got displaced or disperesed by the Han? The Papuans, Hunan, Tuja, Hakka, Fujinaese, She, Zhuang, etc...?
>So how do you feel when people say the Chinese never had an empire or conquerored other groups?
Veddoids (Papuans, Indians), Tais, Cambos, Viets, Formosans, Tocharians, Scythians
OP, there are literally 55 ethnic minorities acknowledged by the chinese government right now. Dozens more have gone already.
Look: en.wikipedia.org
The Han ethnogenesis happened in pic related, in the lands of the Xia dinasty (hence why pre-Han dynasty Han people are called Huaxia). Everything else was conquered and colonized, fucking over the already remarkably numerous locals.
Scythians were never in China.
Historically, random groups known as the Yue,Li,Liao,Man etc.
She,Zhuang,Tujia etc. are highly Sinicized and still exist today.
Han from Hunan,Fujian and Guangdong genetically cluster with those aforementioned minorities.
>Papuans
Left during the Paleolithic.
>Cambos,Viets,Formosans
Left prior to recorded history/natives
>Tai
What is now known as Guangxi/Yunnan wasn't controlled by the central government.
>Tocharians,Sycthians
retard
Kushan, Yuezhi, Sogdians, Bactrians, Khotan, Kashgaria, Yarkand, Saka to name a few
Time to lay down the crackpipe fucktard
Tocharians, Scythians once controlled what is now parts of modern China
The Formosans once controlled Taiwan and China, before being removed by invaders
Same with the Persians, Bactrians, Sogdians, Kushans, Tocharians, Viets, Burmese, Japanese...all controlling what is now considered parts of China
Taiwan, South China was populated by Aboriginal Polynesians
>Kushan
>be a small tribe in the multicultural tapestry that is east asia 2000bc
>qin shi huang unites small chinese states thru conquest, makes his own style of writing and burns everything else
>conquer every neighbouring sinotibetan tribe, cuck them so hard they believe they are chinese too
>conquer wu
>conquer thais
>conquer viets
>conquer koreans
>conquer naxi
>conquer bai
>conquer min
>conquer zhuang
>conquer yue
>conquer tocharians
>build wall
>conquer prototurks and protomongols to the immediate north, setting off a domino effect of westwards fleeing and invading that culminates in the hun invason if europe
>keep cucking conquered people into believing they too are chinese because they use the same writing
>occasionally get invaded by steppe nomads, eventually absorb them into the empire through sheer power of numbers
>claim every bit of land that isnt nailed down, make as many maps as possible showing every known reef or seastack has a chinese fisherman living on it
>build entire floating cities, travel to asean, india and africa trading with rulers you like, and crushing anyone you don't
>conquered entire known portion of the world, dont bother with the barbarians beyond the himalayas or the seas coz those subhumans dont have anything worth owning
>just focus on cucking conquered peoples into believing their chinese for a few centuries, also move everyone inland coz nip pirates
>conquer dutch in taiwan
>crucify some portuguese in malaysia (kek)
>conquer mongolia
>conquer Kazakhs
>some fucking redhaired barbarians suddenly turn up and demand to be traded with and that the emporer deal with them as equals
>fucking uncooked subhumans somehow beat our glorious armies through dealing drugs and stealing our gunpowder tech and even let the nips do this shit too
>WAAAA COLONIALISM WHAITU PIGGU WAAA MUH OPPRESSION WAAAA WE WILL GET REVENGE IF IT TAKES US TEN THOUSAND YEARS
>conquer tibet
>conquer manchuria
>conquer east turkestan
>WAAA MUH OPPRESSION NEVAR FORGET
wtf i hate gwailos now
Indo-Iranians like Bactarians and Sogdians never lived in China.
>Kushan, Yuezhi, Sogdians, Bactrians, Khotan, Kashgaria, Yarkand, Saka to name a few
wew lad the Chinese never displaced the the native inhabitants of the Tarim Basin.
The only state they directly colonized was Gaochang.
>The Formosans once controlled Taiwan and China, before being removed by invaders.
Formosans left the mainland during the early neolithic.
>Taiwan, South China was populated by Aboriginal Polynesians
Tai Kadai/Hmong Mien/Austro Asiatic displaced them not Sinitics.
>Same with the Persians, Bactrians, Sogdians, Kushans, Tocharians, Viets, Burmese, Japanese...all controlling what is now considered parts of China
retard
>Thais,viets,koreans,naxi
Being this retarded
>Manchuria
>Not conquerors of China and absorbed their fuckingselves into Chinkdom in the Qing Dynasty
>"""""East Turkestan""""""
>An actual thing.
Shing Müller, "Sogdian in China um
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Sogdian communities in ancient China
The Tang dynasty had conquered the Tarim Basin by the 7th century AD. Sogdians and Chinese engaged in extensive commercial activities with each other under Tang rule in the region. The Turpan region was renamed Xizhou (西州) when the Tang conquered it in 640 AD,[8] As a result of the Tang conquest, policies forcing minority group relocation and encouraging Han settlement led to Turpan's name in the Sogdian language becoming known as “Chinatown” or "Town of the Chinese"
Scythian dialects attested from the kingdoms of Khotan and Tumshuq in the ancient Tarim Basin, in present-day southern Xinjiang, China
Bactrian used as the official language of the Kushan and the Hephthalite empire
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tl;dr Bactrians, Sogdians, Tocharians all lived in present-dat China
>Be Wu
>Conquer Xu,Yue,invade Chu
>Overthrown by Yue
>Yue is conquered by Chu
None of the aforementioned can be defined as quintessentially Chinese.
agreed papuans lived in china until recently
Neolithic China was also ' Australoid '
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Archaeologist Peter Bellwood claims that the vast majority of people in South and east Asia, the region he calls the "clinal Mongoloid-Australoid zone", are Southern Mongoloids but have a high degree of Australoid admixture.[40]
NE Asians are also related to Australoids, since prior to 10,000 years ago, Australoid populations characterized the human settlements of all of NE and SE Asia, all of the Americas and India.
fuck ton of sth & americans from the same period hold astroloid heritage/characteristics when you go back far enough.
Thus, so-called Negro-Australoid racial traits, such as the narrow and long cranial pattern, heigh vaulted crania, lower orbit, wide nose and some projective prognathism (from the morphological observations), themsel-ves are intrinsic characteristics of Neolithic Man in China,
>huge fucking cranium & encased skull/brain
do you rkn this was from the massive massive psychedelic dmt usage from the region?
>seasonal farming through scorched earth techniques
>just peel off a field/strip of wildlife from the land, cooked, charred, controlled (fire)
>require huge amounts of coordinated human work,
>preparation, storage, distribution
>high natural mastery of control of environment
>excess, human hierarchical structures, breeding preferentials through such,
>greater excess of time
>usage of psychedelics tiered through this hierarchical structure (undeniably linked to higher evolutionary forms of life)
>australoid civilisation extending fom australia to india, china, polypenesia, america (easily sailable through moderate/timid mid equator currents)
>thousands/tens/hundreds of thousands of years
only thing that really came close was the kush equivalent from africa for the time.
cannabis vs dmt evo native cycles
shrooms
ethanole
like they ended up being too slow to the silver spoon of empire (with it war, destruction, "control", dominance) - much like carthage to mainland europe, italics got their first thus their empire, competing from the shores of africa was null
Outdated research. Australoid like morphology may be signs of a Jomon like basal East Eurasian population.
Early neolithic northern Chinese resembled modern day insular southeast asians.
Late neolithic/early bronze age Chinese resemble their modern counterparts.
The Veddoid Senoi are related to the Zhuang of China. The Senoi cluster with Andaman Islanders, coastal New Guinea ( Melanesians) and Tamils in skull shape. South Asia (India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri lanka) is the most populous Veddoid region, followed by SEA
Amerindians were still pretty Australoid up until 9,000 ago, and in Colombia even up until 3,000 years ago.
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In the Fuegians and the Pericu of southern Baja California, there were physically Australoid types until contact and even
yep, the australoids held down europe before being replaced by non-haplogroup M
Our model suggests that during this period of climatic upheaval, the descendants of the hunter-gatherers who survived through the Last Glacial Maximum were largely replaced by a population from another source
The new data show that the mitochondrial DNA of three individuals who lived in present-day Belgium and France before the coldest period in the last Ice Age -- the Last Glacial Maximum -- belonged to . This is remarkable because the M haplogroup is effectively absent in modern Europeans but is extremely common in modern Asian, Australasian, and Native American populations.
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haplogroup M is the australoid group and is
Haplogroup M2 [2] - found in South Asia
Haplogroup M3 [3] - found mainly in South Asia
Haplogroup M29'Q found among Papuans, Australian Aborigines
Haplogroup M31 [24] - found among the Onge, in the Andaman Islands[15]
Haplogroup M32 [25] - found in Andaman Islands
Haplogroup M33 [26] - found in South Asia
Haplogroup M33a - found in India
Haplogroup M34 [27] - found in South Asia
Haplogroup M40 [30] - found in South Asia[15]
Haplogroup M41 - found in South Asia
Haplogroup M42 [31] - found among Australian Aborigines
Haplogroup M5 [5] - found in South Asia
Haplogroup M6 [6] - found mainly in South Asia
also prevelant in east asians and native americans with australoid origins
jomon were a hemp based dock harbour for the greater australoid empire
/australoid predominancy
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>Australoids conquer the world
> Australoids rule Americas before the Mongoloids
>Australoids rule Europe before the Caucasoids
> Australoids rule Asia before the Mongoloids
why did they call us redheads, was it because we threw mostly irish levies at them
The first "white people" the Chinese encountered were Indo-Iranian Steppe Nomads. For some reason, they found red hair disgusting and started calling the Steppeniggers "Red-headed barbarians."
So far they have no opinions on blondes.
>Qin
A powerful red-haired Caucasoid from the Western frontier uses Western inventions such as the chariot to invade the East and conquers all the yellow-skinned submissive Mongoloids and rules over them. He institutes strict laws and standards throughout his empire to dominate and control his subjects and this leads to the Chinese cultural identity.
>Han
Chinese Mongoloid peasants rebel and oust their Caucasoid masters and make a peasant their supreme emperor. Thanks to all the technology and culture brought to them by their Western conquerors, the Chinese experience a golden age.
>3 Kingdoms
Constant warfare between a bunch of peasants who want to be emperor. Someone writes a bullshit novel about them 1000 years later making them superheroes.
>Sui then Tang
A northern Turkic people called the Xianbei conquer all of China. Tang is another golden age where Western culture is prevalent. For instance, the beauty standard is imported from Caucasoid Turkic northerners and fat lewd chicks are seen as the ultimate sex symbol.
>Liao then Jin
Northern steppe warriors invade and conquer half of China and enslave the Chinese population.
>Song
The remaining southern half of China.
>Yuan
Founded by Genghis Khan (who had red hair according to historical documents) and his Mongolian descendants. They first conquer Jin, which is already foreign-occupied, and then they conquer Song and rape all the Chinese women. Chinese are relegated to the lowest social class in the multi-ethnic Yuan empire.
>Ming
Chinese peasants rebel and oust the Mongols. They once again make a peasant their supreme emperor.
>Qing
Northern steppe warriors called the Manchu invade and conquer all of China and subjugate the entire population. They force all Chinese men to shave half their head and massacre 30 million Chinese.
>Modern
Japan defeats Qing in a war and liberates the Chinese from 300 years of Manchu domination. Later, Japan weakens the KMT, and Communist peasants take over China.
In continuation: also it used to be that white people in China went by many names.
>Hongmao
Redhead
>Xirong/Nanman
Western/Southern Barbarian (based on where the white guy entered China).
>Folangqi
From the Arabic, "Ferenggi," meaning "Frankish."
But not every European was called thus. Just the Europeans they didn't know. For example, Rusians were called Lufen (Ruthen), and the Byzantines Daqin or Fulin.
Nice copypasta.
>Western/Southern Barbarian (based on where the white guy entered China).
Rong were most likely Tibeto Burmans
Man were most likely Hmong Mien/Tibeto Burmans