Tfw no written Celtic language

Celts were master metalworkers, had a territory which could have been considered an empire due to how expansive it was, establishing Galatia in Anatolia. Romans adopted many arms and armor from the Celts. Celts invaded and sacked Rome before it was cool, adding their genes to the roman pool. Celts who settled in the Po river valley and further north Italy were given Roman citizenship and a lot of famous Romans came from that area. Celts also had tall ships made of oak with leather sails and could use these ships in the Atlantic. When Rome tried to invade by sea on the Veneti they had to go all the way back to Rome and redesign and build a new fleet of ships just so they could face the waters.

>Thanks to hicks in the west of Ireland, a Celtic language has outlasted Latin as a living language.
>This is somehow a problem

Great shitposting, Caesar.

The way Celts were depicted in ancient Greek and Roman texts does not line up with how the average modern Irish or Scottish person looks.

>the average modern Irish or Scottish person is Celt

The average American doesn't look like they did 2000 years ago either.

But they still couldn't read lol

None of those central european tribes were celtic. Celts were only in western europe and iberia, all that stuff about hallstatt and la tene being celtic is bullshit

they're described as blond or redheaded

actually they could, the druids wrote and spoke greek

Druids are fictional characters from tabletop games, user.

...

>tabletop games
Le what now?

Druids are from WoW

>they're described as blond or redheaded
Who is "they"?

>Dude, like, the Celts didn't do migration at all, kek.

>Celts were only in western europe and iberia, all that stuff about hallstatt and la tene being celtic is bullshit
Can you elaborate? Celts lived in Germany too.

Ireland was settled by the ancestors of the modern Irish ~4000 years ago.

bbc.com/news/science-environment-35179269

How did Celts cuck the Irish out of their own language in 500 BC?

They probably treated Ireland as a vassal state while they retained kingship over the non-celtic population. This would explain why Irish names have so many references to being "noble" or "pure/high of birth".

This confirms my opinion that every oppressed group was/will/would be an oppressor igven teh right circumstances. Oppress or be oppressed.

Irish, Welsh, Scottish Gaelic and Breton will all survive, I'd bet
Irish govt needs to do a hell of a lot more to keep the language alive. If they really tried it could be the first language of a considerable amount of people in a generation or two

>The Celtiberian script is a Paleohispanic script that was the main writing system of the Celtiberian language, an extinct Continental Celtic language, which was also occasionally written using the Latin alphabet. This script is a direct adaptation of the northeastern Iberian script, the most frequently used of the Iberian scripts.

For that matter they also painted celtic the Veneti and Rhaeti, who celtic certainly weren't.

French government policies towards its regional languages was quite brute tho. But Uk had similar stuff going on with the "Welsh not" stuff.
Anyone know how France acts towards its other languages nowadays?

Celts were never an Ethnicity.

Why try to revert back to one language when you are already talking a world language?

We're getting fucked but less so than the other cuckropean countries

>No written celtic language

Yes there was they used to use a version of the Greek alphabet before switching to the Latin one.

The Romans thought they were.

> all that stuff about hallstatt and la tene being celtic is bullshit

Then who the fuck were the Celts then? Everything I've seen insinuated they were synonymous with Celtic culture.

>Anyone know how France acts towards its other languages nowadays?

Not very soft:

>In 2008, a revision of the French constitution creating official recognition of regional languages was implemented by the Parliament in Congress at Versailles.[1]
>In 1999 the Socialist government of Lionel Jospin signed the Council of Europe’s European Charter for Regional or Minority Languages, but it was not ratified. The Constitutional Council of France declared that the Charter contains unconstitutional provisions since the Constitution states that the language of the Republic is French.[9]
>In a letter to several deputies, Thursday, June 4, François Hollande announced the upcoming filing of a constitutional bill for the ratification of the European Charter for Regional and Minority Languages.[10]
>On the 30 July 2015, the Council of State gave an unfavorable opinion on the chart.[11]
>On the 27 October 2015, the Senate rejected the draft law on ratification of the European Charter for Regional or Minority Languages driving away the assumption of Congress for the adoption of the constitutional reform which would have given the value and legitimacy to regional languages.[12]
>Despite popular demand for official recognition, regional language teaching is not supported by the state.[14]

They became more accommodating. Some years back a prime minister spoke breton in Rennes.

Fucking identity politics. Nails that stick out should be hammered down.

Well aren't they celtic? How is it anyones fault besides mainland Europes fault they don't fancy their celtic roots?

>no written celtic language

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaulish_language

Kys

>Ain't that really the same? i.e. also identity politics.

Irishfag here

Irish is actually coming a bit more back in fashion. We're in a weird period of linguistic change, where the local, 1st-language varities are very slowly dying out (because why the fuck would people want to stay in shitty rural areas when they can go abroad and make money?), but a 2nd-language variant called Urban Irish is developing quickly.

The question will be whether Urban Irish (which is at a pidgin/creole stage in terms of development atm) will solidify and become a proper 1st-language dialect, or if it'll remain a 2nd-language thing.

Irish-language TV, radio and music are common now too.

That having been said, the shitty way it's taught in schools makes people hate it still, but outside of the education system, it seems to be growing quite a lot in the background. There's a linguist doing a lot of work on the language (can't remember his name but there's lectures of him discussing Urban Irish) whose opinion is that we've basically come to the point where Irish is no longer on life support, but is beginning to grow organically once again.

/int/ wiki doesn't get much love these days, but we put a lot of work into the Irish section a year or two ago. Badly needs updating, but here it is:
4chanint.wikia.com/wiki/Irish

I come from mainland Europe from a region with its own dialect. What you described would be my preferred scenario. I rather have a living & changing language than a pure one that hardly survives.

>True cultural diversity dies off.

Look at Europe and tells us if """"""true""""""cultural"""""" diversity"""""" died.

No. Identity politics are placing a preexisting identity as a goal to pursue.
Jacobinism and such are making a functioning civil society the goal to pursue, and the construction of a national identity as a mean to an end.

It's a controversial idea here.

On the one hand, there's the argument (held by a lot of native speakers and by autistic 2nd language speakers) that this dialect would be shit-tier, 'impure' version of the language.

The other argument is that it'd be a natural evolution of the language, a process which is perfectly normal.

While I do agree that Urban Irish would include a certain amount of calquing from English syntax, loss of some subtlety in pronunciation, etc., language evolution is natural, and necessary.

There's also the fact that the existing regional dialects of Irish are pretty closely linked to those places, and there's a slightly tribal element to it- i.e. people in Muskerry would find it weird if someone from the city came just to learn Muskerry Irish, because it's "their" Irish. As a result, people who aren't native speakers need a dialect that they can identify with, so Urban Irish would be useful in that sense.

Bilingualism is the way to go desu

thanks user, those are some encouraging news

If you have time to learn and practice a second language, then you'd better learn Mandarin, arabic, german or french than irish.

>they're described as blond or redheaded

You forgot the thunderous eyes, and the horrific cries
And the germans were desribed as red haired with red eyes.

Roman descriptions should not be taken seriously.

>arabic
>french
same useless thing as irish

I am sure he means it in global context.

Are any of those resources for Ulster Irish? I would just feel strange learning connaught or munster irish since I'm not from there
or does it not really make much of a difference?

Are you an Anglo by any chance?

youtu.be/OvlQXPNwrqo

Fucking this

Celts are considered a culturo-linguistic group.

Veeky Forums needs to actually study some history for once

They also describe how such Barbaric peoples diddye their hair.
People seems to forget about that thought.

Don't be insulting now. I'm french.

Eh

Bit of a mix tbqhwu m8. Honestly can't remember what we put in there.

The grammar's the same (well, Munster excluded), but the accent, pronunciation and vocab are quite different.

Just learn standard Irish (duolingo has a good course, actually) and listen to RnaG/ watch TG4, plenty of Norn Iron speakers there.

But desu it doesn't make much of a difference, accent is the main difference

>French (Official language of the United Nations, Official language of the European Union, Used by the African Union)
>Useless

pick one

Better litterature and more people to speak it with, in travels, business or just on the internet.

That was my second option.

seriously declining in any international context, i cannot help but wonder why any european would learn french instead of german. the rest of the world can manage well with english

But what if Irish is a Black Swan and the language of the future?

>German
This nation will cease to exist in 2050. French is rising and will be the most spoken language in the world thanks to our african cannon fodders.

it was for you

was for you

There's a brilliant series of podcast lessons for Ulster Irish by Fearghal Mag Uiginn called Giota Beag, Giota Beag Eile, and Giota Beag Níos Mo.

Not before turning to arab, Pierre le Cuq

Who knows how the world will be? African France could even diverge the way Vulgar Latin did, right?

I've been using those, they're pretty good. Only thing is the pages for most of the episodes are kind of broken so the vocab doesn't show up in text. Still, I'll probably continue using them as well as duolingo. Not sure exactly when or how to use workbooks and stuff

it will be like Brazil with a white oligarchy and a brown plebs.

And France has Institutions protecting the french language.

It's so fucking cringy whenever Veeky Forums tries to talk about Celts, Aryans, Indo-Europeans, Semites, Turks, etc. The fucking idiots here think every language family or vaguely defined cultural area is a single race or a nation.

celts

>And the germans were desribed as red haired with red eyes.

reddish-blond actually, because they dyed their hair red. Also, when chinese people first encountered westerners they described them all as redheaded. Why? because chinese people have jet black hair and seeing westerner's hair for the first time, the reddish pigment was obvious (we all have it). Something similar might explain why romans described germans as redheaded, their shade of blond isn't seen among mediterraneans and would look like it has a ginger tint to the eye unaccustomed to it.

Also what are blood shot eyes

>Then who the fuck were the Celts then?

gauls, and tribes in iberia, britain and ireland

Those weren't celts, just tribes with a lifestyle and culture similar to celtic people. But they were germanic or some other indo-european people.

If they were celts, then so were the peple of the nordic bronze age and all germanic people up until the iron age, because all bronze things were imported from central europe to germania

but it doesn't have any institutions protecting white french. On the contrary, the parliament ruled that they don't even exist, which is against international human rights

thats because they are all DEAD

>all that stuff about hallstatt and la tene being celtic is bullshit
Where are the proofs?

>then so were the peple of the nordic bronze age and all germanic people up until the iron age, because all bronze things were imported from central europe to germania
You are entirely correct, it wasn't until the R1b population merged with the native haplogroup I population that Germanics came into existence. Truth is, Germanics are closer related to Celts than they are to native Scandinavians.

>"english predominance"

I'm talking about language and culture not genetics. Central europeans were never celtic.

The better question would be, where are the proofs that la tene and Hallstatt were Celtic. It's completely unjustified

>there is absolutely no evidence, linguistic, archaeological or genetic, that identifies the Hallstatt or La Tène regions or cultures as Celtic homelands. The notion derives from a mistake made by the historian Herodotus 2,500 years ago when, in a passing remark about the “Keltoi,” he placed them at the source of the Danube, which he thought was near the Pyrenees. Everything else about his description located the Keltoi in the region of Iberia.

prospectmagazine.co.uk/features/mythsofbritishancestry

>Central europeans were never celtic.
What were they then? Who were the Hallstatt and La Tene people, who spread their culture all the way to the British Isles? As proven by genetic and archaeological data.

Do your part and learn one the damned languages then.

Scotland wasn't ever fully invaded by Roman Empire... just sayin.

Not because they were afraid of the big bad picts Mr. Salmon, but because there was no point

I'm not sure I can agree with such a broad statement. Tacitus described the entire population of Iberia as swarthy and dark haired. Jordanes described the Gauls being akin to the Iberians in appearance. Both described the Silures as being swarthy also.

If there was no point, why did they continue to invade Scotland? They wanted to show that they can sort out any pests, no matter the size.

There's an abundance of Celtic language inscriptions in the La Tene culture.