STATE OF THE BOARD Meta-Thread

Why is this board so shitty?

You people don't even try anymore. You can find a documentary on almost any historical topic on youtube in a second. You can hit up any random Wikipedia article on history and read it. RIGHT NOW!

Books like the Gallic War by Caesar, the Peloponnesian War by Thucydides, or the Histories by Herodotus require NO PREREQUISITE KNOWLEDGE, and you can buy them for 10 bucks off amazon.

With any of that you can start an interesting thread, ask questions, write elaborate posts and invite others to do the same. Instead, you make one-sentence meme-threads, post one word meme-replies, your posts have zero quality, zero informational value, you don't do even most the most rudimentary research, and this "discussion of history" has degraded to "post your opinions". Right now there are 5 threads in the top 20 that are completely unrelated to Veeky Forums!

This has to change. And we need a proper sticky with recommended literature - Veeky Forums is the only board that doesn't have one.

>Why is this board so shitty?

Leftists

>another meme-reply

this is exactly what I mean

>coming to Veeky Forums for intellectual discussions

ISHYGDDT

Hiro was just having a laugh when he made this board. Who in their right mind would put up a sticky suggesting that you only talk about events 25+ years ago and then merge the board with humanities, which encompasses all of the culture wars of the last few years that have infected every other board on Veeky Forums. He knew this would happen.

& Humanities was a mistake

>Why is this board so shitty?

You.

>You people don't even try anymore.

Anymore?

I tried making interesting non-bait threads and never got any responses. Even got banned once for a thread about how and why centres of innovation shifted across Europe throughout Western history.

So now I just shitpost like everyone else.

>a proper sticky with recommended literature

Let me guess, Guns Germs and Steel, Karl Marx, John Green, and Stirner.

>Why is this board so shitty?

>a bunch of Americans talking about history

What exactly did you expect?

>Why is this board so shitty?
because people want to bitch about how shitty everything is more than they want to make it better.
meta threads are cancer, kill you are self.

No no, the humanities threads are not the problems. The problem is the general lack of quality in both history and humanities threads.

>Even got banned once for a thread about how and why centres of innovation shifted across Europe throughout Western history.

If you get wrongfully banned, complain on /qa/.

>Why is this board so shitty?

You can thank Christcucks for that.

Whatever, nobody posts in good threads anyway. Nobody even responds to good posts.

Because Veeky Forums stayed in Veeky Forums and /pol/ came here. Not even saying "POL BOOGEYMAN!!!!!!!!!!" or anything, but we all know they're here and shitting up the board.

I wish more of the elitists from Veeky Forums would come discuss philosophy here, but I enjoy the threads on Veeky Forums, which is also being shit up by retards.

If there were a way to auto-ban all "REDPILL ME ON [insert shit] then I think it would solve a good amount of problems.

>le Veeky Forums is leftist meemay
S H I G G Y D I G G Y

>if everyone else is rioting I guess I can steal some Jordan's

Shut up, nigger. You're fucking retarded. Either make good threads or fuck off. Don't make it worse.

Why don't you make good threads in stead of whiny meta threads you stupid faggot?

only karl marx of those

This board was meant to be about history, not you sperging about your meme philosopher.

>why is this board so shitty
/pol/tards
Lazy mods that will not delete irrelevant threads

Really tho leftypol and R/socialism try to congregate here

Except they don't at all
You just want it to be that way

>Why is this board so shitty?
Because it's "not legal" to shoot someone dead for being /pol/

>people use sites other than Veeky Forums
What a shocker

I've never seen anything that suggests this is anything but a meme. Marx threads are common but I don't see any side with a majority. Lots of alt-rightists come in and try to pick a fight with the imaginary marxists, though.

People guessed as early as Veeky Forums's first week that this board would (as most boards do) start with an informal discussion and eventually degenerate into memes and arguing.

I feel like this board has potential to mingle old /int/ and Veeky Forums, but the /pol/ crowd has just permeated the board to shit so the best posters generally leave

Although having said that threads like these are worse for the board than the trash you're pointing at. You're just shifting discussion from memes to complaining about people discussing memes.

Every fucking one on this board is either a historical materialist, or too dumb to know what that means.

There is nothing wrong with historical materialism.

Only because you embrace one of Marx' ideas, doesn't mean you need to embrace all of them.

>Humans need to eat

Wow, what a radical hypothesis

Yes there is.

Looks like the two groups I mentioned even overlap.

>stirner
should be desu

If there was to be a Veeky Forums reading list it would be sensible to include the Communist Manifesto. I personally disagree with the ideas but it's a very short and easy read and has a lot of historical significance.

>recommended literature

More like shit pop history

and then people would begin to stop and question and wonder about centralised banking systems and its extremely mimicked tenents from thus manifesto

Seeing this fucking /pol/ boogey man, that old fucking Veeky Forums meme.

Veeky Forums is and was always shit, I've been there since the start. Veeky Forums has always been bad. Stop thinking anything else.

There is and old truth to Veeky Forums, if you want better threads - create more interesting threads and content yourself.

No go fuck off.

Making whiny meta threads should be grounds for a permaban

Greekshill detected

>Why is this board so shitty?

Don't you think your expectations are way to high? This is a Veeky Forums board after all.
Did people seriously expect this board NOT to be flooded with shitposters and idiots?
Also, Ebin /pol/ Boogeyman whenever someone disagrees with you.

The fact that even a few threads have some genuine history discussions is pretty amazing if you ask me.

this desu
seeing a whole lot of whinging from retards acting surprised a Veeky Forums image board isn't producing academic level discourse

>/pol/ boogey man

It's not a boogey man, there are many actual /pol/ posters on Veeky Forums. You can tell by their lingo.

Veeky Forums is one of the best boards on Veeky Forums

by their lingo, you mean Veeky Forums lingo right?

Lad there's all sorts of sub-divisions of chan lingo

You're more likely to be called a low test DYEL manlet on Veeky Forums than on Veeky Forums

Christcucks making everything about them, /pol/ with their "hitler was a gud boy he dindu nuffin"

Never got why people sperg out about /pol/, /leftypol/ or /r9k/ being here.

What's wrong with Veeky Forums having a diverse group of opinions? Shouldn't that be something that makes our board good? Maybe instead of using these boogeymans against someone you disagree with you should try debating them.

Because /pol/ disregard historical evidence (ala: those holocaust victims just had typhus and were in camps for their own wellbeing!) and follow an entirely revisionist narrative, while deeming anything contrary to this as Jewish propaganda.

Of course it's a fucking boogey man, I started it on Veeky Forums but back then it was /mu/. I just spammed it enough until it became a fucking thing.

>best board on Veeky Forums
Man that sure is an objective fact you got right there

Then prove his sources wrong. If it's false it should be easy to disprove.

Historical discussion is full of revisionism. These should come up on a history board and be debated over.

>everyone on /pol/ is a neo nazi may may

i honestly don't even know if they're the majority anymore

I come here to talk shit about history. If i wanted to spend 40 minutes writing posts, and another 30 finding sources i'd hang out on /r/askhistorians.

Generals should be allowed though, they generally have the best discussion.

>moot didn't want to make this board due to it possibly becoming a third /pol/
>Hiro adds religion, /pol/s favorite topic, to the board
How fucking stupid is that Gook? He fucked up /asp/ even worse
Honestly though the /int/ & /v/ fags are much worse than the christcucks.
This place was fucking cool and super informative for the first week.... Tbh lads moot was right. Veeky Forums was a failure

read the age of kings manual
that was my first Veeky Forums book

god tier.
read it every day after school for a decade.

>Generals should be allowed though, they generally have the best discussion.
Generals devolve into hugboxy circlejerks, blogs or literally thousand-thread chains of shitposting.
No fucking thanks.

Prove it you false flagging cucks
Y'all tried crying about Veeky Forums for months before you figured out they weren't leftist after all. I take your bullshit with a massive chunk of salt.
/Pol/ on the other hand has a very visible Reddit connection via many popular un-PC subreddit that got deleted, then they all migrated to /pol/

Nice obvious false flag post /pol/

You and the faggot that agrees with you are obvious /pol/acks. Know why? Because you think every board is as shitty as yours. You've obviously never browsed a slow board

>Man that sure is an objective fact you got right there

It is, together with Veeky Forums, one of the few boards where users have a distinctive education pertaining to the topic. That's an explicit definition for you.

>he's an "alt-right racist", not some "neo-nazi"

kys

>Why is this board so shitty?
Commies and pagans

>Oy vey goyim, believe me! never forget the 6 trillion!!

It's irrelevant whether Veeky Forums (or Veeky Forums) are leftists or rightists, because politics is not the topic of discussion!

Everyone who calls other people out as either, can go back to

Its not that necessarily its the fact that they're also ignorant of basic historical facts that they should already know. They got all their "knowledge" from Veeky Forums posts and it shows. They had no internet in history before they got into /pol/ memes. Everything they post has bait built in AND its all pissing contest shit comparing this country to that country like fucktarded.
The fucking sticky even says no /pol/ allowed. Where are the mods?

No one except Isreal denies Russia made up the hidden soap and lampshades bullshit. Doesn't mean the whole thing was fake you fucking gorilla

If the stupid fucking Jap would remove Religion threads the politics posters would disappear. Both Veeky Forums AND /pol/ were infested with Christcucks before Veeky Forums was even created

Anyone who makes a post with political implications. Not inherently their ideologies, but the mere discussion itself

What the fuck are you talking about? For every lefty thread there are at least 5 "Was Hitler a hero" threads

This a bullshit. You probably look at the catalog and assume every thread with a WWII photo is made by /pol/.
Many on /pol/ don't care or even dislike the subject.

this guy gets it

History, religion and sperging your meme philosopher. Politics threads are the problem

>be me , history masters student
>become curious about Persians, Sassanian especially, read about them in Cambridge Ancient History, check /r/askmemestorians
>hey, why not create a thread on Veeky Forums
>flooded with muslims
>flooded with persian diaspora

I realized you can't have a Sassanid thread without diaspora fags ruining it just as you can't have an say Ottoman thread without balkan-turk shitposting or you can't have a Crusades thread, or you can't have a Byzantine Empire thread and so on and on. If someone is emotionally invested in a part of history the thread will be ruined.

>If someone is emotionally invested in a part of history the thread will be ruined.

Hilariously stupid, but unfortunately true.

>>If someone is emotionally invested in a part of history the thread will be ruined.
Well said.

History is a science and there is no room for MUH FEELS.

samefag

It's the fucking FEELS that fuck up Veeky Forums

Nobody cares about your fucking FEELS

We are trying to discuss history here

>The boogeyman boogeyman

There is no meme more /pol/

bamp for awareness

>le Veeky Forums is an intellectual dead zone meme
You have to wade through a lot of crap, but intellectual discussion is possible. There is no upvote system; every opinion and half-assed reply is exactly as salient as the other. Between the two extremes of heavy moderation and no moderation, no moderation is better for facilitating discussion.

People here really can't help but respond to bait, and never report stuff

I mostly start KANGZ, Viking hate, Greek boi, anti-materialist, and other purposefully stupid/mispelled threads because everyone on this dumber than they think and take everything at face value

I can't have as much fun on /tv/ where EVERYONE ironically shitposts

>IMPLYING

This. I was wondering about how big mustard gas really played a role in World War I, so to get more replies I put a random statistic and asked if mustard gas was a meme. Got a lot of good replies and learned a lot

This phenomenon is not limited to Veeky Forums alone. Try /a/, or other elitist boards. You HAVE to start a thread with a bait in order to get a good discussion going

this

the marxist trash from Veeky Forums has flooded this board and made it unusable

>faggots want left
>faggots want right

In the context of a historical discussion about them why shouldn't they both be allowed? It honestly seems like the righties want the lefties to get out and the lefties don't even seem to care and just want to discuss the ideology without some faggot retard calling them "KEKS" or posting image macros featuring strawmen.

If it's historical, let it stay. I'd rather have a discussion about anything here (or on Veeky Forums) than /pol/ unless I want to be told to vote for Trump for some god-awful reason.

>lefties don't even seem to care and just want to discuss
You haven't been paying attention, both are fucking insufferable.
I want /leftypol/ and /pol/ to leave.

>Leftists
>not the constant race baiting, religious shit flinging, and nazi worship

ok m8

this

That Veeky Forums is as good as it is is a plain miracle.

heyo

>lefties
>not the maestros at race baiting
Welcome to the real world

Veeky Forums was gr8 when it first came out. /pol/ is the root of all things bad on Veeky Forums. hero worship of hitler, trump, and now milo of all people shows how weak willed and dogmatic 'freethinkers' are

serious question, have you ever tried to debate someone on /pol/?

the pigeon playing chess comes to mind

>If it's false it should be easy to disprove

except you forgot any evidence to the contrary is just the jews (never ask "why would jews do this" on pol)

or even insultingly low energy responses like 'cuck'

I don't think you've ever tried to debate one

son, did you just imply Veeky Forums is the real world?

Veeky Forums is just one of many failures by Hiroshima.

We all knew it would become /pol/ with dates and yet it was created anyway and somehow became worse than /pol/ with dates with the addition of &Humanities.

We don't need super heavy moderation and every post requiring a citation. But we also don't need constant religious shitposting and the nth thread on why Africa didn't develop.

WAIT A MINUTE

WE'VE ALREADY HAD THIS THREAD WITH THE EXACT SAME REPLIES

>/pol/ is the root of all things bad on Veeky Forums

Are /pol/acks the Jews of /his?

>get blamed for everything bad even when the villains/shitposters are not from their people/board
>get hate even when many try to blend in
>the opinions of one distinct group (Neo-Nazis/Jewish supremacist) are attributed to the whole group
>presented as some huge, powerful, homogeneous organization
>constant fear of the "/pol/ conspiracy"
>"/pol/" is the ultimate insult

>Why is this board so shitty?

Because you have thin skin and can't stand contradiction.
You're a spoiled child.

I honestly miss the /hist/ threads on Veeky Forums
They were good times

i found this history app to be quite interesting

Because it can't be good, not in the context of the overarching culture of Veeky Forums.

I was just on a thread about a simple, historical question "What do you think of Arthur Harris?"

Shortly into the thread, some user wrote a 4 part post dissecting the efficacy of Harris's policies in regard to the larger strategic bombing context. You've got 2 responses to them as of the time of this post: One person thanking him for his information, and a second going all ETERNAL ANGLO and calling him a baby-killing retard.

This is a fast paced, low barrier discussion board, all of Veeky Forums is. Poeple come here to argue, or comment about something. And whenever you have an issue, be it history or humanities, and someone comes along with a lot of knowledge and expertise on the subject at hand, how can you respond to that given that you (and most people) don't have comparable expertise? You can't.

Nothing will kill a thread here faster than someone settling the issue with a lot of knowledge, and people who put that in threads will kill them quick. One sentence meme threads with one word replies can be responded to with 0 energy or investment into the thread, so of course they'll be predominant.

Your post is depressingly accurate. A few months ago I would respond to threads on the decline of the Western Roman Empire with properly sourced arguments, I did a dissertation on the subject. They would either be ignored, or would completely stifle the debate. Veeky Forums thrives on controversy and dispute, the problem is that the level of rhetoric and argumentation has, over the past couple of years particularly, decayed into formulaic responses, meme references and "kill yourself".