You people don't even try anymore. You can find a documentary on almost any historical topic on youtube in a second. You can hit up any random Wikipedia article on history and read it. RIGHT NOW!
Books like the Gallic War by Caesar, the Peloponnesian War by Thucydides, or the Histories by Herodotus require NO PREREQUISITE KNOWLEDGE, and you can buy them for 10 bucks off amazon.
With any of that you can start an interesting thread, ask questions, write elaborate posts and invite others to do the same. Instead, you make one-sentence meme-threads, post one word meme-replies, your posts have zero quality, zero informational value, you don't do even most the most rudimentary research, and this "discussion of history" has degraded to "post your opinions". Right now there are 5 threads in the top 20 that are completely unrelated to Veeky Forums!
This has to change. And we need a proper sticky with recommended literature - Veeky Forums is the only board that doesn't have one.
Brayden Brown
>Why is this board so shitty?
Leftists
Wyatt Wilson
>another meme-reply
this is exactly what I mean
Charles Torres
>coming to Veeky Forums for intellectual discussions
ISHYGDDT
Hiro was just having a laugh when he made this board. Who in their right mind would put up a sticky suggesting that you only talk about events 25+ years ago and then merge the board with humanities, which encompasses all of the culture wars of the last few years that have infected every other board on Veeky Forums. He knew this would happen.
Cooper White
& Humanities was a mistake
Jace Morris
>Why is this board so shitty?
You.
Isaiah Hall
>You people don't even try anymore.
Anymore?
Josiah Ross
I tried making interesting non-bait threads and never got any responses. Even got banned once for a thread about how and why centres of innovation shifted across Europe throughout Western history.
So now I just shitpost like everyone else.
Cooper Reed
>a proper sticky with recommended literature
Let me guess, Guns Germs and Steel, Karl Marx, John Green, and Stirner.
Henry Cooper
>Why is this board so shitty?
>a bunch of Americans talking about history
What exactly did you expect?
Nathaniel Brooks
>Why is this board so shitty? because people want to bitch about how shitty everything is more than they want to make it better. meta threads are cancer, kill you are self.
Daniel Gray
No no, the humanities threads are not the problems. The problem is the general lack of quality in both history and humanities threads.
>Even got banned once for a thread about how and why centres of innovation shifted across Europe throughout Western history.
If you get wrongfully banned, complain on /qa/.
Thomas Adams
>Why is this board so shitty?
You can thank Christcucks for that.
Josiah Gomez
Whatever, nobody posts in good threads anyway. Nobody even responds to good posts.
Owen Fisher
Because Veeky Forums stayed in Veeky Forums and /pol/ came here. Not even saying "POL BOOGEYMAN!!!!!!!!!!" or anything, but we all know they're here and shitting up the board.
I wish more of the elitists from Veeky Forums would come discuss philosophy here, but I enjoy the threads on Veeky Forums, which is also being shit up by retards.
If there were a way to auto-ban all "REDPILL ME ON [insert shit] then I think it would solve a good amount of problems.
Carson Clark
>le Veeky Forums is leftist meemay S H I G G Y D I G G Y
Ayden Mitchell
>if everyone else is rioting I guess I can steal some Jordan's
Shut up, nigger. You're fucking retarded. Either make good threads or fuck off. Don't make it worse.
Bentley Hernandez
Why don't you make good threads in stead of whiny meta threads you stupid faggot?
Wyatt Gomez
only karl marx of those
Easton Gomez
This board was meant to be about history, not you sperging about your meme philosopher.
Brody Cooper
>why is this board so shitty /pol/tards Lazy mods that will not delete irrelevant threads
Brayden Lewis
Really tho leftypol and R/socialism try to congregate here
Cooper Long
Except they don't at all You just want it to be that way
Aiden Morales
>Why is this board so shitty? Because it's "not legal" to shoot someone dead for being /pol/
Jonathan Reed
>people use sites other than Veeky Forums What a shocker
Lucas Scott
I've never seen anything that suggests this is anything but a meme. Marx threads are common but I don't see any side with a majority. Lots of alt-rightists come in and try to pick a fight with the imaginary marxists, though.
Lucas Moore
People guessed as early as Veeky Forums's first week that this board would (as most boards do) start with an informal discussion and eventually degenerate into memes and arguing.
I feel like this board has potential to mingle old /int/ and Veeky Forums, but the /pol/ crowd has just permeated the board to shit so the best posters generally leave
Although having said that threads like these are worse for the board than the trash you're pointing at. You're just shifting discussion from memes to complaining about people discussing memes.
Brayden Thomas
Every fucking one on this board is either a historical materialist, or too dumb to know what that means.
Easton Reed
There is nothing wrong with historical materialism.
Only because you embrace one of Marx' ideas, doesn't mean you need to embrace all of them.
Tyler King
>Humans need to eat
Wow, what a radical hypothesis
Joseph Lewis
Yes there is.
Looks like the two groups I mentioned even overlap.
Angel Garcia
>stirner should be desu
James Allen
If there was to be a Veeky Forums reading list it would be sensible to include the Communist Manifesto. I personally disagree with the ideas but it's a very short and easy read and has a lot of historical significance.
Dylan Brooks
>recommended literature
More like shit pop history
Logan Lee
and then people would begin to stop and question and wonder about centralised banking systems and its extremely mimicked tenents from thus manifesto
Noah Hughes
Seeing this fucking /pol/ boogey man, that old fucking Veeky Forums meme.
Veeky Forums is and was always shit, I've been there since the start. Veeky Forums has always been bad. Stop thinking anything else.
There is and old truth to Veeky Forums, if you want better threads - create more interesting threads and content yourself.
No go fuck off.
Owen Hernandez
Making whiny meta threads should be grounds for a permaban
Leo Lopez
Greekshill detected
Ryder Parker
>Why is this board so shitty?
Don't you think your expectations are way to high? This is a Veeky Forums board after all. Did people seriously expect this board NOT to be flooded with shitposters and idiots? Also, Ebin /pol/ Boogeyman whenever someone disagrees with you.
The fact that even a few threads have some genuine history discussions is pretty amazing if you ask me.
Hudson Brooks
this desu seeing a whole lot of whinging from retards acting surprised a Veeky Forums image board isn't producing academic level discourse
Adam Baker
>/pol/ boogey man
It's not a boogey man, there are many actual /pol/ posters on Veeky Forums. You can tell by their lingo.
Veeky Forums is one of the best boards on Veeky Forums
Jonathan Roberts
by their lingo, you mean Veeky Forums lingo right?
Dylan Lewis
Lad there's all sorts of sub-divisions of chan lingo
You're more likely to be called a low test DYEL manlet on Veeky Forums than on Veeky Forums
Owen Kelly
Christcucks making everything about them, /pol/ with their "hitler was a gud boy he dindu nuffin"
Jordan Turner
Never got why people sperg out about /pol/, /leftypol/ or /r9k/ being here.
What's wrong with Veeky Forums having a diverse group of opinions? Shouldn't that be something that makes our board good? Maybe instead of using these boogeymans against someone you disagree with you should try debating them.
Michael Walker
Because /pol/ disregard historical evidence (ala: those holocaust victims just had typhus and were in camps for their own wellbeing!) and follow an entirely revisionist narrative, while deeming anything contrary to this as Jewish propaganda.
Cooper Nelson
Of course it's a fucking boogey man, I started it on Veeky Forums but back then it was /mu/. I just spammed it enough until it became a fucking thing.
>best board on Veeky Forums Man that sure is an objective fact you got right there
Ian Sullivan
Then prove his sources wrong. If it's false it should be easy to disprove.
Historical discussion is full of revisionism. These should come up on a history board and be debated over.
Angel Jenkins
>everyone on /pol/ is a neo nazi may may
i honestly don't even know if they're the majority anymore
Luis Long
I come here to talk shit about history. If i wanted to spend 40 minutes writing posts, and another 30 finding sources i'd hang out on /r/askhistorians.
Generals should be allowed though, they generally have the best discussion.
Adrian Ortiz
>moot didn't want to make this board due to it possibly becoming a third /pol/ >Hiro adds religion, /pol/s favorite topic, to the board How fucking stupid is that Gook? He fucked up /asp/ even worse Honestly though the /int/ & /v/ fags are much worse than the christcucks. This place was fucking cool and super informative for the first week.... Tbh lads moot was right. Veeky Forums was a failure
Robert Harris
read the age of kings manual that was my first Veeky Forums book
god tier. read it every day after school for a decade.
Logan Ortiz
>Generals should be allowed though, they generally have the best discussion. Generals devolve into hugboxy circlejerks, blogs or literally thousand-thread chains of shitposting. No fucking thanks.
Jaxson Wood
Prove it you false flagging cucks Y'all tried crying about Veeky Forums for months before you figured out they weren't leftist after all. I take your bullshit with a massive chunk of salt. /Pol/ on the other hand has a very visible Reddit connection via many popular un-PC subreddit that got deleted, then they all migrated to /pol/
Connor Clark
Nice obvious false flag post /pol/
Jayden Gray
You and the faggot that agrees with you are obvious /pol/acks. Know why? Because you think every board is as shitty as yours. You've obviously never browsed a slow board
Joshua King
>Man that sure is an objective fact you got right there
It is, together with Veeky Forums, one of the few boards where users have a distinctive education pertaining to the topic. That's an explicit definition for you.
Isaac Cox
>he's an "alt-right racist", not some "neo-nazi"
kys
Dylan Brooks
>Why is this board so shitty? Commies and pagans
Zachary Davis
>Oy vey goyim, believe me! never forget the 6 trillion!!
Owen Hill
It's irrelevant whether Veeky Forums (or Veeky Forums) are leftists or rightists, because politics is not the topic of discussion!
Everyone who calls other people out as either, can go back to
Nathaniel Bennett
Its not that necessarily its the fact that they're also ignorant of basic historical facts that they should already know. They got all their "knowledge" from Veeky Forums posts and it shows. They had no internet in history before they got into /pol/ memes. Everything they post has bait built in AND its all pissing contest shit comparing this country to that country like fucktarded. The fucking sticky even says no /pol/ allowed. Where are the mods?
Landon Campbell
No one except Isreal denies Russia made up the hidden soap and lampshades bullshit. Doesn't mean the whole thing was fake you fucking gorilla
Nolan Cruz
If the stupid fucking Jap would remove Religion threads the politics posters would disappear. Both Veeky Forums AND /pol/ were infested with Christcucks before Veeky Forums was even created
Jaxon Martin
Anyone who makes a post with political implications. Not inherently their ideologies, but the mere discussion itself
Owen Martinez
What the fuck are you talking about? For every lefty thread there are at least 5 "Was Hitler a hero" threads
Isaiah Miller
This a bullshit. You probably look at the catalog and assume every thread with a WWII photo is made by /pol/. Many on /pol/ don't care or even dislike the subject.
Christian Jones
this guy gets it
Benjamin Fisher
History, religion and sperging your meme philosopher. Politics threads are the problem
Jaxson Taylor
>be me , history masters student >become curious about Persians, Sassanian especially, read about them in Cambridge Ancient History, check /r/askmemestorians >hey, why not create a thread on Veeky Forums >flooded with muslims >flooded with persian diaspora
I realized you can't have a Sassanid thread without diaspora fags ruining it just as you can't have an say Ottoman thread without balkan-turk shitposting or you can't have a Crusades thread, or you can't have a Byzantine Empire thread and so on and on. If someone is emotionally invested in a part of history the thread will be ruined.
Grayson Davis
>If someone is emotionally invested in a part of history the thread will be ruined.
Hilariously stupid, but unfortunately true.
Joseph Rivera
>>If someone is emotionally invested in a part of history the thread will be ruined. Well said.
History is a science and there is no room for MUH FEELS.
Cooper Sanders
samefag
It's the fucking FEELS that fuck up Veeky Forums
Nobody cares about your fucking FEELS
We are trying to discuss history here
Carter Morris
>The boogeyman boogeyman
There is no meme more /pol/
Chase Ramirez
bamp for awareness
Nolan Campbell
>le Veeky Forums is an intellectual dead zone meme You have to wade through a lot of crap, but intellectual discussion is possible. There is no upvote system; every opinion and half-assed reply is exactly as salient as the other. Between the two extremes of heavy moderation and no moderation, no moderation is better for facilitating discussion.
Angel Hill
People here really can't help but respond to bait, and never report stuff
I mostly start KANGZ, Viking hate, Greek boi, anti-materialist, and other purposefully stupid/mispelled threads because everyone on this dumber than they think and take everything at face value
I can't have as much fun on /tv/ where EVERYONE ironically shitposts
Jace Jackson
>IMPLYING
Oliver Martin
This. I was wondering about how big mustard gas really played a role in World War I, so to get more replies I put a random statistic and asked if mustard gas was a meme. Got a lot of good replies and learned a lot
Benjamin Peterson
This phenomenon is not limited to Veeky Forums alone. Try /a/, or other elitist boards. You HAVE to start a thread with a bait in order to get a good discussion going
Tyler Wright
this
the marxist trash from Veeky Forums has flooded this board and made it unusable
Justin Walker
>faggots want left >faggots want right
In the context of a historical discussion about them why shouldn't they both be allowed? It honestly seems like the righties want the lefties to get out and the lefties don't even seem to care and just want to discuss the ideology without some faggot retard calling them "KEKS" or posting image macros featuring strawmen.
If it's historical, let it stay. I'd rather have a discussion about anything here (or on Veeky Forums) than /pol/ unless I want to be told to vote for Trump for some god-awful reason.
Anthony Mitchell
>lefties don't even seem to care and just want to discuss You haven't been paying attention, both are fucking insufferable. I want /leftypol/ and /pol/ to leave.
Aiden Taylor
>Leftists >not the constant race baiting, religious shit flinging, and nazi worship
ok m8
Jaxson Green
this
Asher Watson
That Veeky Forums is as good as it is is a plain miracle.
Kevin Morgan
heyo
Isaiah Green
>lefties >not the maestros at race baiting Welcome to the real world
Camden Reyes
Veeky Forums was gr8 when it first came out. /pol/ is the root of all things bad on Veeky Forums. hero worship of hitler, trump, and now milo of all people shows how weak willed and dogmatic 'freethinkers' are
Hudson Nguyen
serious question, have you ever tried to debate someone on /pol/?
the pigeon playing chess comes to mind
Justin Ramirez
>If it's false it should be easy to disprove
except you forgot any evidence to the contrary is just the jews (never ask "why would jews do this" on pol)
or even insultingly low energy responses like 'cuck'
I don't think you've ever tried to debate one
Luke Lopez
son, did you just imply Veeky Forums is the real world?
Carter Wright
Veeky Forums is just one of many failures by Hiroshima.
We all knew it would become /pol/ with dates and yet it was created anyway and somehow became worse than /pol/ with dates with the addition of &Humanities.
We don't need super heavy moderation and every post requiring a citation. But we also don't need constant religious shitposting and the nth thread on why Africa didn't develop.
Josiah Perry
WAIT A MINUTE
WE'VE ALREADY HAD THIS THREAD WITH THE EXACT SAME REPLIES
Brayden Thompson
>/pol/ is the root of all things bad on Veeky Forums
Are /pol/acks the Jews of /his?
>get blamed for everything bad even when the villains/shitposters are not from their people/board >get hate even when many try to blend in >the opinions of one distinct group (Neo-Nazis/Jewish supremacist) are attributed to the whole group >presented as some huge, powerful, homogeneous organization >constant fear of the "/pol/ conspiracy" >"/pol/" is the ultimate insult
Noah Stewart
>Why is this board so shitty?
Because you have thin skin and can't stand contradiction. You're a spoiled child.
Easton Cruz
I honestly miss the /hist/ threads on Veeky Forums They were good times
Michael Murphy
i found this history app to be quite interesting
Evan Howard
Because it can't be good, not in the context of the overarching culture of Veeky Forums.
I was just on a thread about a simple, historical question "What do you think of Arthur Harris?"
Shortly into the thread, some user wrote a 4 part post dissecting the efficacy of Harris's policies in regard to the larger strategic bombing context. You've got 2 responses to them as of the time of this post: One person thanking him for his information, and a second going all ETERNAL ANGLO and calling him a baby-killing retard.
This is a fast paced, low barrier discussion board, all of Veeky Forums is. Poeple come here to argue, or comment about something. And whenever you have an issue, be it history or humanities, and someone comes along with a lot of knowledge and expertise on the subject at hand, how can you respond to that given that you (and most people) don't have comparable expertise? You can't.
Nothing will kill a thread here faster than someone settling the issue with a lot of knowledge, and people who put that in threads will kill them quick. One sentence meme threads with one word replies can be responded to with 0 energy or investment into the thread, so of course they'll be predominant.
Easton Clark
Your post is depressingly accurate. A few months ago I would respond to threads on the decline of the Western Roman Empire with properly sourced arguments, I did a dissertation on the subject. They would either be ignored, or would completely stifle the debate. Veeky Forums thrives on controversy and dispute, the problem is that the level of rhetoric and argumentation has, over the past couple of years particularly, decayed into formulaic responses, meme references and "kill yourself".