Civilizational Preservation

This. International conflicts mostly happens with neighbors. East and west fighting is just geometry.

>Hey West, get fucked, we can handle things now - Sincerely, India
>Partition happens, Pakistan explodes in violence, eventually leads to nuclear standoff, not to mention roiling sectarian conflict
>No, Mr. USA, the Soviets are our friends now, and China will grow! - Best, Chairman Mao
>Cultural Revolution happens, utter chaos, millions murdered in cold blood
>To hell with you, Western devils! Socialism is the way, and I will prove it! - Hugo "just give me that oil money, honey" Chavez
>Anyone want to buy our oil :( ? Nicolas "Nobody in my country can even find a churro" Maduro
>To hell with you, Western devils! Socialism is the way, and I will prove it by detonating my country's economy! - Podunk Latin American president #67
>Cue coup
>Allahu akbar! - sand person circa 1983-20??
>get shot/bombed before blowing self up

FUCKING WESTERNERS

>England and France
>England and Spain
>England and Germany
>England and Rome
>England and India
>England and China
>England and Japan
>England and Russia
>England and America
>England and Scotland
>England and itself

There are stronger patterns

Unironically this.

>Mr. British man, sir. Why did you starve the Indian people? We had thousands of grain reserves which you sold off for your own greedy interest! Now millions of people have died.
>"You see, you uncivilized Hindustani brute. Your people clearly don't know how to make use of this grain, so we merely sold it for your own good.
>"Mr. British man, sir. There are groups all over India rebelling against your rule here. What will you do?"
>"I have the perfect plan. We get a bloke from London who knows fuck all about the cultural and religious differences in the subcontinent, and we'll get him to draw a squiggly line across the map."
>I don't think that's a very good plan, sir. There are communities all over the map that will be displaced. Thousands will die, this will lead to the one of the largest human migrations in history.
>Fuck off, Pajeet and give me that Koh-i-Noor diamond, you don't need it. We're leaving back to England now, it was good while it lasted!

t. good strong competent western leader(s)

>ignoring the fact that the British were the first people to give India organized famine protection in the first place
>ignoring the fact that local Indian governments had the power to help alleviate the famine but didn't

Would you honestly rather concentrate on finding excuses than getting results?

>Throughout the majority of history, the east and the west could never get along. Is it the way things are meant to be?
If anything East vs West is a recent development.

>excuses than results
>implying the indian economy wasn't under tremendous pressure from the war
>implying 1943 didn't have a bumper crop harvest that the british rerouted to troops and burned fishing boats and river transports because they wanted to do a scorched earth tactic.
>implying the british government gave a single fuck - going so far as to turn a blind eye to their own sources.

Fuck off anglo scum.

>muh Indians didn't do nuffin
>it's not that the other provinces ignored the signs of trouble and refused to send famine relief
>it was the Anglos

t. cuck

>wavell says that they should do something
>"well if its a famine why isn't gandhi dead"
>"also send some food to greece. they good bois."

What is "east" and what is "west"?
East and West of what, exactly?

East of greece silly :^)

The Eurasian land mass.

East is east of west and west is west of east.

East: The global South, especially non-Europeans; often unliberal, and easy to take rhetorical shots at
West: The global North, especially Europeans (and their offspring); often liberal, although they weren't so kind in the past as they seem today

>British bribe the princely states that were still "independent"
>Basically become vassal states
>Have to do everything that papa Anglo says, or guess what, you're getting annexed kid
>Other provinces ignored trouble
>"Look guys, we need to do whatever we can to hold on to our resources, gold, silver, diamonds, whatever we can. The British are basically niggers that want to steal all of our wealth, we need to protect these possessions"

>You filthy Pajeets need to clean up the mess we made

I bet you're one of those who believes that India was a shit ridden cess pit before the glorious Anglos arrived and saved the day.

of course it was. don't you know they burned their women alive, and the british banned it?
right after they legalized it?

>Obscure Hindu caste in rural India practiced age old tradition.

It was hardly practiced. Just because the British banned it and spread the idea that they were some sort of great bastion of civilization that came to free the people of India from barbarism just to look good in history books doesn't mean it's true.

This board needs a sarcasm tag pretty badly.
The brits were also the first rulers who actually made laws based wholly on the manusmriti.

>humans everywhere normally act like the citizens of industrialized democracies
>it's not like human cultures from eras with less technology are different from ours, and exhibit behaviors that are repulsive by our standards
>it's not like culture takes time to change, and people with bronze age culture are unlikely to be able to run a country well

>Bronze age culture
>What was the Delhi Sultanate
>Who were the Mughals
>Who were the Marathas

>The brits were also the first rulers who actually made laws based wholly on the manusmriti.

Source?

>brits in india started off as a super powered juggernaut with dreadnoughts and rifles and railways and shit
>the indians were living in the bronze age

nigel please.

>He is memed by the clash of civilizations theory.
>He doesn't realize that the Eurasian Landmass could be considered one whole system of interaction.

>What was the Delhi Sultanate
>Who were the Mughals
>Who were the Marathas

Cultures that were totally incapable of providing the technological progress and public services the British were.

If I was a bit less hyperbolic, and described them as medieval cultures would that still make it superior to the culture who invented the industrial revolution?

But I guess you'd rather they be suffering under their own rule than prospering under ours.

But you don't get it. Anglos want recognition for their vast empire that conquered jungle tribe niggers in Africa. Their only real opponent with tech on par with them were the Indians.

>totally incapable
>which is why the briish ruled in the name of the mughal emperor, spent nearly a century and a half negotiating with the marathas, got their shit kicked in by mysore and only gained access to bengal by bribing the nawab's nephew.

stellar british public services indeed. At least read a history book sometimes.

Things don't have to be stellar to be an improvement.

The British gave India a working republic, civil service, public health apparatus and famine relief structure.

Go on deluding yourself that India would have turned out better than Ethiopia or Liberia if they hadn't gotten a jump start into the 20th century.

>But I guess you'd rather they be suffering under their own rule than prospering under ours.
>prospering
>under
>ours

I hope you're being ironic. You seriously think anally raping and stealing a lot of its wealth to finance your own country, then building a few courthouses and railways means "prosperity"? You literally just bunched up three different dynasties in Indian history and played the "hurr sand niggers have low iq therefore can't civilization as well as us" card. Cultures changed fluidly under the Mughal rulers, you had proto liberal kings and then you also had rulers that wanted to turn the empire into a theocracy. You dismiss that though, go back to /pol/ and browse it whilst listening to Stefan Molyneux in the back.

Hail the crown which Jew'd its way to rule India.

>progress
Veeky Forums - postivism and muh technology.

Britain literally turned India's economy -which used to produce things under those "shitty empires"- into mere resource extraction.

Holy shit the Eternal Anglo is real.

>You seriously think anally raping and stealing a lot of its wealth to finance your own country
>he thinks that all ruling classes don't steal everything they can
>he thinks that that isn't an inherent cost of having social complexity
>he thinks the British didn't provide more for less

Get a load of this idealist.

>We built a train and shiet
>We built a nice courthouse and shiet
>Everyone steals stuff and shiet
>We fucked off after a bloody civil war and shiet
>Poojeets were uncivilized before us and shiet

Tell me about your high IQ

India controlled around 37% of the world's manufacturing before the Raj.

I see that you can't refute anything I've said.

>look at how great other cultures with medieval monarchies did in the modern world when left to their own devices
>you've got Ethiopia, and Thailand
>those places are great, right

Although Thailand actually turned out okay.

Truthfully, I'd expect the Spanish or French to move in if the British hadn't, and we all know how great those dicks are at running places.

I think you're trying to understand 18th century politics with 21st century viewpoints.

But empires weren't obsolete back then, and they weren't always a bad thing.

>civil service
compared to what?
the british public services system was designed to protect the state from the people. Hell, collectors only became accountable to the people post indepence in india
>it would be ethiopia tier

It was at independence. Until the indian government gave norman borlaug a free hand in the early sixties, India was a food importing nation with an abysmal industrial and agricultural output. India stagnated under british rule. the nearly 50 years of marxist socialism in India were better than colonialism to indian people. consider that for a moment.
the british barely provided anything. connecting ports to resource mining sectors to ship them to ol' blighty isn't doing indians a favor.

>No, Mr. USA, the Soviets are our friends now, and China will grow! - Best, Chairman Mao
Maoist China was as wary of the Soviets as they were Western Gapitalisds.

They saw Soviet desire to "lead" global communism an extension of colonialism. So they were pretty much arms length buddies until the split happened. Ivan, after all, was one of those fuckers that ruined the old Empire.

THE ETERNAL BLOODY ANGLO

>india would be ethiopia tier

>the british literally requested american GIs not to give out propaganda out to indians and complained to the US state department about it because it was compromising their rule.

Really makes you think

There's nothing to refute, you're just talking out of your ass in an attempt to paint Britain in a glorious light.

>But you don't get it. Anglos want recognition for their vast empire that conquered jungle tribe niggers in Africa. Their only real opponent with tech on par with them were the Indians.

Their entire policy was being scared of Africans getting power or control through land, money, education or development. In colonial South Africa after Blacks were allowed to own land they got so scared of the huge progress Blacks were getting as they were gaining in fortune and power+education due to the new wrath that they abolished the law soon after.

50 years of Nehruistic socialism did more for India than the Brits ever did.

this.