1. The Battle of Thermopylae 2. The Battle of the Catalaunian Plains 3. The Battle of Teutoberg Forest
All 3 changed the course and outcomes of not only their respective civilisations but all of history forever more. Were it not for Varus' blunder, the Holy Roman Empire as a fragmented standing state that it was may never have existed. Were it not for Atilla @ Catalaunia, the Maygars, Habsburgs, Hannover & Napolean may never have been a relevent existence to the timeline. Were it not for Spartan elite slaying hordes for days of Persian ants, we'd be sharing a dichotomy wolrd between the Mid & the Far east.
I love the battles of the early Roman Republic. They read like something out of fantasy novel. For example in the battle of Vesuvius the Roman commander Publius Decius Mus sacrificed himself by throwing himself at the enemy to ensure victory or during the battle of Ticinus where a 18 year old Scipio Africanus saved his father from death. All this while Rome was just another country in the Mediterranean fighting for its survival and one that major powers such as the Greeks payed little to no heed to. Rome started as a small village in Italy and would come to rule the world and found western civilization through bloodshed.
Jordan Morgan
>The Battle of Thermopylae xD
Hab you seen da secund moobie, i wuz better than furst.
Matthew Harris
I can't tell if you're legitimately retarded or if you're just pretending to be retarded cue the "consequences" you cite for them not matching up with the battles themselves.
I'm really hoping the latter, but I've seen enough stupid people to not be entirely sure.
Dylan Williams
To be fair, by the time of Ticinus, Rome was already a major power in the Mediterranean and had already been meddling in Gaul, Spain and Greece. Personally im a fan of Cannae.
Zachary Diaz
desu it almost certainly existed at one point, but balkanized and split apart over time.
Like the empire of the Khanate.
Gabriel Edwards
True. I suppose that after the Pyrrhic wars Rome became a major power in the Mediterranean when they defeated the closest there was to another Alexander.
Christopher Smith
The trojin war
Joseph Brown
still waiting for the damn second Mongol to come out.
Given that "celtic" is defined not by a political structure, not by a single language, but by being part of a linguistic group and a common toolmaking culture, no, it fucking isn't.
You may as well talk about Mississippian empire, or the Polynesian Empire.
Landon Hernandez
respect the doggerkun you mongoloid nip noodle heads floating spagetti worshippers.
Austin Moore
One cannot go beyond the battle of Blenheim
Imagine,if you will waterloo in reverse French on the highground Brits need to cross swampland, a stream, reform and then march up the hill to fight a French army of veterans who outnumbered them-and win
This was the first defeat of a French army in 75 years,and broke the illusion of their invincibility
Ryan Sullivan
>Polynesian Empire
But that totally existed
Jose Carter
>It was centered in Tonga on the island of Tongatapu with its capital at Muʻa. While modern researchers and cultural experts attest to widespread Tongan influence and evidence of transoceanic trade and exchange of material and non-material cultural artifacts, empirical evidence of a true political empire ruled for any length of time by successive rulers is lacking.
Jackson Young
>>It was centered in Tonga on the island of Tongatapu with its capital at Muʻa. While modern researchers and cultural experts attest to widespread Tongan influence and evidence of transoceanic trade and exchange of material and non-material cultural artifacts, empirical evidence of a true political empire ruled for any length of time by successive rulers is lacking.
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that these "modern researchers and cultural experts" are all white males with a vested interest in keeping us down.
Angel Ward
>Battle of Teutoberg Forest that's a terrible thing to say >:|
Joseph Mitchell
teuto for example was crucial to the continued and contended, competed for land between the ebre & the rhine. kept it germanic. rome never fully conquered the germs. disintergrated and collapsed later as it stood around in hopelessness of what nexts, overextention, collapse. roads are never built. succession is never ensured. take one look at a holy roman empire map. zero uniformity compared to other well trodden & marched sections of The Empire.
Benjamin Butler
they couldnt beat the germs so they had to convert and come back a thousand years later with a zombie jew death cult and a thousand years of frankish hinge in the meantime
Julian Bailey
Kek those Celtic cities didn't even exist between 700 and 100 bc
Jace Ross
Manzikert, duh.
Owen Gonzalez
Except after Teutoberg, Germanicus thoroughly wrecked Arminius and his allies. The reason why Germania wasn't annexed is that Tiberius was afraid of him getting too popular.
Matthew Cox
Well, that and it being a backwards shithole which generated no money and would cost a bitch and a half to actually run.
William Cox
>thermopylae >relevant heh
Lucas Long
Ok then, which battle of that war would you consider most relevant? Salamis?
Marathon imo is the best example, but it was during an earlier Persian expedition.
Chase Young
>favorite battles, Veeky Forums? >mine are like the three most well known battles that everyone's discussed to death already
Christopher Sanders
>What is this trash The true successor to the Finnish Khanate.
Jayden Robinson
Thermopylae was a Persian victory though, the Persians were defeated by the Athenians at Salamis.
And the Romans probably wouldn't have conquered Germania even without Teutoburg Forest.
Joseph Davis
>Top 3 meme battles of all time only normies would know about
Nicholas Wood
Battle of Vienna Great stand on the Ugra river Battle of Kulikovo
Honorary mention: Case White.
Noah Bell
Battle of Gettysburg
Battle of Waterloo
Battle of Stalingrad
Jaxson Hill
>Thermopylae. Yeah that's something that normie will know and wank about. Thanks Hollywood.
>Teutoberg Most people won't know what that is. Only people who actually read history, or play Rome total war, will know about Teutoberg.
>Catalaunian fields You'd have to be a actual history buff to know about that.
John Torres
Gallipoli, because seriously fuck Churchill
Christian Brown
It's called Teutoburg, and it's the biggest meme battle among Germans and germboos.
>You'd have to be a actual history buff to know about the main battle of Attila the Hun Not sure if bait.
John Sanchez
Everything you said is so full of shit I'm sitting here at my desk and laughing.
Landon Cooper
The battle of Mylae, as it's one of the best and earliest examples of what really exemplifies the Romans: brutally efficient ingenuity combined with the ability to throw money at a problem until it works out.
>guys we managed to get into a naval war with THE naval power, what do? >uhhh >I got it: >buy a bunch of greek boats, copy that Carthaginian boat that washed up, have our boys practice rowing on some benches for a while and jury rig a thing to nail the damn boats together so those puny Punics can't do that thing they do >what, sail competently? >that's the one
Jason Davis
Not a buff, but you'd have to know your history. How many average people do you think know more about Attila than his name? Most probably don't where the Huns where from or when they were active
Thomas Sanders
Good I hope you fucking bleed out you waste of biomass.
People know about Atilla as a barbarian warlord who ravaged Rome. They won't know about the battle that he lost.
Christopher Nelson
>Come to a casual history discussion >About the most casual history topic ever >To tell people how casual their choices are
Matthew Clark
It's so casual it defies the said precedence of casuality.
Asher Ramirez
People know about everything you said, none of those battles or events are remotely obscure at all here. Stop being a baby.
Anthony Allen
Teutoberg is a titanic meme blown up by 19th century German nationalists.
Andrew Butler
and because there was absolutely nothing marketable in Germannia that would justify the cost of conquest
Jordan Reyes
Holy shit you're fucking retarded. Literally go up to a random person on a street or during a party and ask them what Teutoburg was. The majority of normal people could not answer such a question.
Dominic King
I really like the battle of Cannae. Not only is it one of the most magnificent BTFO-moments in history, it was in fact so decisive, that military officers have wanked over it ever since.
At the same time it also showed that fortitude on the battlefield is not enough to win a war. Exploiting the victory is at least as important as attaining it.
David King
I learned about it in school. I also remember it from Age of Empires.
Levi Morgan
I heard the only battle that's considered tactically on the same level of tactical genius as Cannae is Austerlitz, but I don't know enough about it to judge for myself.
Jacob King
Holy shit, you are ignorant if you think the average person is that unaware of Roman history.
Charles Turner
I'd say the Battle of Red Cliffs was pretty tactically one-sided too. But nobody cares about Naval battles or China, apparently.
Asher King
Not him, but where do you live? Here in America a lot of people have something of a cult of ignorance going on. They know Rome fell at some point, and maybe they've heard the Punic Wars or Teutoberg mentioned but the majority (not vast, but certainly a majority) of the people I work with certainly couldn't tell me much beyond that.
Connor Diaz
Anything that's not in the west is ignored.
Whether it's because lack of translations or whatever, it's still annoying as shit.
Josiah Richardson
>waterloo in reverse
wouldn't the French win then?
Mason Bell
I live in the US, DC area and people aren't that stupid.
William Martin
>Wizna >Austerlitz >Zama
Alexander Roberts
Do you live in the good side of DC or the bad side? Because I find that people living in the nice area rarely venture out of it.
t. Baltimorean who works with a mixed bag of people of all classes
Nolan Campbell
You also have the problem that sea battles pose fundamentally different strategic and tactical problems than land engagements. And the battle of Chibi was partly decided by pre-battle ruses and disinformation, while Cannae was a straight-up fight that was decided by Hannibal's superior tactical ability.
But yes, I do feel like Chinese history is somewhat under-represented around here.
Jeremiah Martinez
> empire A funny way to spell cavemen in mudhuts
Landon Ross
Different strategic and tactical problems still means that strategy and tactics are at play. Also, pre-battle ruses and disinformation are perfectly valid options. In fact, I consider them a sort of tactic in and of themselves. There is more to tactics than just positioning your army in a particular manner in order to take advantage of things like terrain, your enemies behavior, etc.
Matthew Jenkins
>who outnumbered them >52 000 Grand Alliance vs 56 000 French
Not exactly Waterloo, where 73 000 French were facing 118 000 Allies.
Christopher Murphy
I don't live in Southeast side DC, so I'm fine.
Hudson Gonzalez
Cannae was pretty brutal, but I find Trebia to be criminally underrated.
William White
>the implication that the roman empire was undivided until 410
Brayden Walker
Battle of Hampton Roads hands down
Jack Jackson
The allies had 68000 on the high ground at Waterloo and only 30000 were veteran soldiers.
Benjamin Jones
if god wanted the Celtic empire to succeed then it would not have flooded....!!!!!!.....!!!
Levi Gray
Platea was the most important battle of all the ones fought during the Persian invasions. Marathon and Thermoplyae simply delayed the Persians rather than decisively defeating them, and as important as Salamis was, it was a naval battle and therefore of secondary importance.
Hunter Morris
It's over Napoleon, I have the high ground
Daniel Sanders
Does the Battle of France count even though it was a campaign, specifically I think Sedan gets forgotten all too readily.
>Western Roman Empire literally on the edge of falling apart >half of the foederati in Roman territory acting independently >Aetius trying to hold shit together >the Huns are such a deadly threat that a bunch of refugee snowniggers join together with the remnants of the Roman army to fight the save the civilized world >king of the Visigoths gives his life in the battle >Attila "I didn't want to conquer Gaul anyway" the Hun retreats back into the barbaricum
Angel Smith
and the name, its something straight from a fantasy novel.
The Battle of the Catalaunian Plains
Benjamin Nelson
I love how butthurt some Hanniboo historians get when referring to the battle of Zama by saying Hannibal had an army full of new recruits when really the tide was considered to be at the very least equal. And because it ended up becoming a Carthaginian cannae
Henry Jackson
Guadalcanal desu. America got their wake-up call and Aussies and Kiwis were saved. Honestly, I can't even imagine sitting on the line on Guadal. Firing your .30 cal non-stop and the Japs just keep on coming so you keep on shooting and they just keep on coming out of the jungle like a god damned nightmare.
Charles Stewart
It almost certainly lived on in the legends and myths of the tribes for centuries after.