Can you guys redpill me on CVTs. Are they better than most standard automatic/manual transmissions? Are they fun?
Can you guys redpill me on CVTs. Are they better than most standard automatic/manual transmissions? Are they fun?
Dominic Evans
Cameron Williams
>fun
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Chase Young
>Are they better than most standard automatic/manual transmissions?
No.
>Are they fun?
About as fun as a Golf Cart.
Aiden Evans
A manual transmission will be faster in most cases right?
Anthony Morgan
If you've never driven a manual like me it's more fun than auto, but at sub 20mph traffic the trans gets confused as to which gears so you have to pay attention even when you don't want to
Jose Rodriguez
Why did they ban CVTs in F1? (and most other motorsports too?)
We could've had god tier CVT cars by now
Hunter Parker
More fun? No
Technically more efficient? Yes
They are designed to keep the engine in its torque band, where it is fuel efficient.
Joshua Richardson
>which gears
CVTs don't have gears. I think you mean that it gets confused about which ratio to use.
yes but only because 99% of CVTs are tuned for economy and comfort. CVTs have the ability to keep the rpms exactly at peak power and theoretically out accelerate a manual. Manuals don't have this ability to hold a certain rpm and accelerate at the same time
Adrian Ramirez
Well in the case of some next gen Honda Civic manual will be faster I'm assuming
Dominic Diaz
>Are they better than most standard automatic/manual transmissions?
Depends on what you mean by "better." They're completely shiftless so theres no noticable drop in revs and no rocking or thunk as it changes ratios.
However, there's CVTs have no overdrive and the amount of torque that can handle is generally less than the torque converter gearbox.
>Are they fun?
No. Even the prindle automatic transmissions are more fun. But I gotta say that's pretty neat how the tach stays pegged at a certain RPM as merge onto the highway.
Andrew Wright
Gonna hijack this for a second
How about those "6 speed" automagic transmissions like the Mazda Skyactiv 6 speed auto?
Carter Hill
With CVT you're trading liveliness, and reliability for efficiency, that's about it.
Luis Thompson
It's just an electronically controlled automatic.
It may seem more fun than just keeping it in D the whole time, but the ones I've driven are pretty shit only giving you the illusion of control in that every time you "shift" you are really just asking the computer if it's okay to shift and the computer will only allow your request if it deems it within its parameters as a "safe" shift.
Gabriel Ward
The problem with CVT's isn't how they work.
The problem is twofold.
1: They're shit to drive, even compared to normal automatics.
2, and this is the big one: Reliability of them is absolute SHIT. Nissan dealer replace one every day. The only reliable CVTs are all attached to hybrids.
If a car has a manual option or a CVT, get the manual.
If a car is only available in CVT, avoid it like the plague.
Aaron Bennett
Dsg master race checking in
Sebastian Long
Liveliness is efficiency
>uh oh i'm out of the powerband time to shift
>manual/automatic car slows as it hits a torque valley
>car with a sport-tuned CVT blazes by
The only inherent downside is that they're fragile as all fuck. a sport-tuned CVT wouldn't last for too many laps.
Oliver Hill
>uh oh i'm out of the powerband time to shift
Literally only a problem if you don't know how to drive.
Jeremiah Carter
Good for you.
BTW, DSG is a marketing term. The proper phrase is DCT.
DCTs are the best automatic transmissions you can get. They've been around a decade or so now. While CVT's have been around since the 1960's, DCT's are 10 times more reliable, more fun to drive, shifter faster than you can blink, and are capable of CVT-esque fuel economy.
The only reason everyone is using CVTs now is because they improve gas mileage and they're cheap, especially compared to a DCT.
At the moment, the best DCT isn't made by VAG or Ford. The Best DCT at the moment is an 8 speed made by Honda specifically for their Acura division.
The problem with DCTs is at low speeds around town. They've very jerky and don't like parallel parking. However, the DCT made by Acura solves this issue completely. By putting a classic style torque convertible between the engine and the transmission. The torque converter smooths everything out, making them amazing in everyday driving, but you still get your lightning quick shifts and better fuel economy. And unlike CVT's, Acura's DCT can actually take power reliably.
The transmission made its debut in the 2015 Acura TLX. It was made the sole transmission option of the ILX during the ILX's 2016 refresh (replacing the 6 speed manual and 5 speed automatic). And as a bonus, it's the only transmission option on the new Acura NSX supercar.
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Bentley Clark
goddamnit. It skipped one of the videos.
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Jackson Parker
>BTW, DSG is a marketing term.
"No"
Anthony Anderson
>yfw there are people who think DSG stands for Diesel Speedy Gearbox
Connor Wilson
I thought it was
>Does Speedy Gearshifts
Carson Thomas
No, and no.
>implying golf carts can't be fun
Fuck off Honda shill.
Bentley Powell
>MFW want a DSG
>VAG reliability tho
>$400 every 40k DSG service
That's one cent a mile.
Caleb Reed
Nigga one cent a mile is like nothing. Gas is already like 15 cents a mile.
Joseph Carter
You make a fair point. Too bad I also have to add in another $300 or so to get the walnut blast on the intake valve
Dylan Peterson
>Fuck off Honda shill.
>yfw I'm actually a GM shill
Jack Cruz
Its a smart piece of tech that is advantageous in an economic, efficient, and logistical sense but is not what you are looking for when you want speed and fun.