Tl;dr ive been offered a 2008 cayman in trade for my current 2012 BRZ

Bwahahaha no. Ur toyubaru is shit, he just wants a backseat. The cayman is far faster and better handling.

> The cayman is far faster

not really no

MR, and I live in the arctic circle.

I don't ever got anything big that needs hurling around, and I never want to be used as a taxi again.

Do it

I'd be worried about someone wanting to downgrade from a Cayman to a BRZ. Unless they specifically want the BRZ to customise the shit out of, something sounds off about a straight trade between the two

>not really no
Then stay away. Something is wrong with it.

I daily drive a brz in New England. 60 miles per day highway to save time or town roads when I feel like it. The weather really isn't a big problem.

so, as im seeing it, right now;

BRZ pros: fun asf and pretty practical, newer and has warranty
BRZ cons: falling apart, hideous build quality, subaru are absolute cunts about respecting my warranty

porsche pros: badge, 6 cylinders, its a fucking porsche
porsche cons: maintenance costs, practicality, that hideous fucking back end

he needs 4 seats, and unlike 4chang, the BRZ is actually respected as a decent quick car here.

performance between a 2.7l base cayman and a BRZ is pretty much the same. the price/value of the two cars, right now on the interwebs, are identical too.

JUST FUCKING DO IT

OKAY OKAY OKAY JESUS ILL DO IT

I'll post pics tomorrow

Is it near 20k, 40k, 60k, etc.? They have to be serviced every 20k miles and it's about $1000-1300

90% of the ones on CL are just shy of a major service interval.

t. former Gayman S owner

OH SHIT IS THAT A MODEL 3???

what is a model 3

its been through a big service recently apparently at porsche.

although these are the things ill have to check up on tomorrow, I don't even know its milage yet.

If you can ensure nothing is wrong w the Porsche then take the deal

That is awesome. Who doesnt want to drive a porsche, theyre dreams

Fucking brz doesnt hold a candle

weeeeeell. the BRZ is faster around most any track, if we're benchracing, more practical and has a limited slip diff. is also newer and has warranty.

but like you're saying, it is a porsche. I'll just not want to reminded of that when I'm having it serviced and I get the bill back.

FUCKING DO IT NOW REEEEEEEE
TRADE YOUR DEPRECIATING TOYOTA GARBAGE FOR BEAUTIFUL GERMAN ENGINEERING

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Performance isn't just straight line acceleration. Any decent MR car will be far more agile than a FR shitbox

more info

milage on the porsche is 112 000km

BRZ is currently at 36 000km

that is some serious milage om the porsche.

that's fucking nothing, 70,000 miles is considered really good for a used car in america

just fucking do it dude Cayman's are incredible cars and far more enjoyable than your Toyobaru ever will be

i woudn't trade, tha cayman in a very nice car but the base 2.7 and 112k just doesn't look good, but is a very nice car to drive, i never drove a BRZ, but the cayman is nice, but in the S spec

>and far more enjoyable than your Toyobaru ever will be

have you driven both?

I'll find out tomorrow anyways

I'll be honest, i'm on the fence now. depending on the service history and extras on the porsche, I'll strongly consider it.

i've driven a BR-Z and a 997 Carrera 4S if that counts for anything. It's like comparing a plastic blue ink Bic to a bespoke fountain pen. Yeah they do the same function, but the fit and finish make the experience so radically different.

like i said, i guess ill find out tomorrow.

my ex had a boxster, and thats the closest ive ever gotten to a cayman.

the porsche is gonna sound better, a lot better, and people will assume im some pornographer, not an initial D fanboy.

I also think the cayman is atrociously ugly, but its something I'll live with happily if the drive is better than the subaru

Ur car sucks faggot. Accept it. Its slower than the porsche and built like shit. It is not nearly as fast in any dimension u delusional shit

if we were talking about a newer cayman S that would be the case.

a 2008 base model 2.7l cayman, like ive pointed out several times now, is identical to the BRZ in terms of performance.

0-60 time, top speed, everything

lap time nordschleife for a 2008 cayman S, yes S, with upgraded brakes and 19'' wheels with sticky ass tires is 8:18

BRZ with better brakepads and stickier 17'' tires is 8:25 something.

I drive a brz and also actually use fountain pens daily and the brz is more like a TWSBI Eco than a bic ball point.

The porsche is half a second 0-60 and doesnt have a sub 150mph top speed. You are fucking delusional. That shitbox of yours does the ring closer to 9 minutes. The cayman is far from fast but its no slouch like your toyubaru. You owners really do have to lie to yourselves huh?

*faster

Manual is nice but the 2.7 is gutless compared to the based 3.4 . The Caymans are pretty-much bulletproof . However

>DD
>2 seats

You'd better not have any friends or you won't be having much fun . The Cayman is the definition of a second car .

good boy.

disgusting

also

meme the car

I dont get this two seats bs. Are your friends high schoolers who dont have their own car? Are they poverty stricken or alcoholics you must ferry around for their own safety? Backseats are for children.

>112000km

enjoy your 30k miles. when it hit's 100k, it's a time bomb.

what happens at 100k?

if you don't get an maintenance/engine overhaul at 100k you're going to have a dead car.

Also, it just starts becoming a money pit.

I say just stick with your NEW CAR ffs.

Hey kid, thanks for the help you are dripping with automotive knowledge and there is no way you are underage. Its an honor to post along side you.

Now please kys

Was about to type what's essentially The real friendless loser is the one who can't keep friends without driving them around. If one friend needs a ride to a meeting place I'll drive them if multiple then someone else does it. Christ, this isn't a hard concept.

>pretty much the same.
don't flatter yourself, he is making a serious downgrade in performance and quality

I have had like 4 times where I needed a backseat, and that was because my girlfriend and I started working at the same office and a coworker wanted a ride home. Only high school kids "need" a backseat for their underage vaping friends. You sure as fuck don't need one in a daily driver.

70,000 miles is a lot harder on the Cayman's engine than 70,000 on a Camary's.

It goes right to your thighs
And then you blow up.

You really think the 2.7L is anything close to stressed? Bus rider please.

No, I didn't say that. I just said 70,000 miles on your average used car isn't as stressful as 70,000 on the Cayman's.

>70,000 miles
Isn't that about the mileage when the IMS bearing destroys the engine, essentially totaling the car?

Which is retarded. There are shitloads of high mileage engines out there in Boxsters with the same motor. Besides, you want to see a high stressed motor just look at the 86 high revving to over 100hp/L

Personally I think that issue is over hyped but at 70k it would have likely failed before then. Besides, being an '08 it has the best iteration of the bearing, albeit non replaceable if you were so inclined. No shop recommends messing with an '07-'08 bearing unless you are already in there doing clutch work or something

Nigger.

I just fucking said that he should get the fucking Cayman earlier in the thread.

I know 70,000 miles isn't shit to worry about yet, I just simply stated that comparing a sports car, that's probably seen its fair share of fun, to your average fucking Camary is stupid.

70,000 highway miles on your average 6 cylinder in America is not as stressful as 70,000 on a Porsche's.

Nobody cares about Camrys but you. We are comparing a sporty yet shitty engined brz to a cayman

obvs i'd rather have the porsche but that isn't a night and day difference in performance

truth, would be better if it was an S. regardless I think you will fall in love with the car, despite the mediocre interior of those years porsches

>no not really
Yes. Really. It is a superior car in every way. And it will hold value better than the toyobaru

>Fastest laps as a car buying guide meme

The Toyobaru is far more reliable and cheaper to run. Cheaper to maintain and cheaper to fix. If it was a Cayman/Boxster S it'd be a different story but for a base model? Fuck no, lol.

>Base model Porsche ever holding value

Next you'll say V6 Mustangs have good resale.

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>actually defending a toyubaru
I would buy a base cayman either but i wouldnt be caught dead in a toyubaru

Even the 's' is meh in power. Believe me, I have driven an 09. I would even hesitate on a new onev barring the gts.

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>hurr durr base model a shit
Guess how I know you've never been in, let alone shopped for a Porsche?

ive slept on it, and I still dont fucking know.

when I drive it later today, I still won't know either

how awful costly exactly is an engine rebuild gonna be on the porsche?

Engine rebuilds are expensive. But the maintenance can be somewhat reasonable if you find an indie euro shop. You should ask /pog/ () as there are a couple of Cayman owners who can prob help.

Fwiw the values look about right for both cars.

we got a giant porsche dealer/garage in town, but also a big porsche community, so i could hear around.

this is the car btw, are those brakes/wheels upgraded extras from porsche?

This thread is bait no Porsche owner would trade for a shit frs

well i might be doing it later today.

I think the main problem is that you spergs got a problem realizing a BRZ is the same league as a cayman.

Hmm.
Cayman, to me, will always be trying to be a 911.
What people buy when they can't afford the better Porsches, always trying to prove something. (besides the GT4, oh baby)

The BRZ isn't trying to prove anything. They're in pretty high demand, and believe it or not, will hold it's value (what value it has) better than a bottom tier, base spec Porsche. Keep in mind you can pick up an E60 M5 with 70k miles for $25k now.

It is still a Porsche though

>Cayman, to me, will always be trying to be a 911

You are a special sort of retard aren't you. They are completely different. Cayman is MR, 911 is RR. Have you ever even driven these cars, or just talking shit like a faggot on the internet?

I was thinking that first, hey its a porsche so it will hold its value etc.

then I suddenly remembered looking up used 944's. fucking cars are cheaper than rotten datsuns, but the parts cost bloody millions.

guessing more or less the same will happen with the cayman.

btw, the steering feel in a 911, is it in any way replicated in the cayman?

cayman and boxster both replicate the older 911's and how they felt. hydraulic steering feel aside maybe.

thats at least what all porsche people ever has told me.

A 944 is different to other Porsches, the engine is in the wrong end.

Cayman and boxter are completely different to 911s.

the MR isnt exactly RR itself either though.

and how hard is it to access the engine, and do simple shit like checking/replacing oil?

guessing changing spark plugs and stuff will be impossible because boxer.

t. poorfag who wipes his CPO Cayman with a diaper every night
Well I have a C4S at the moment, the Cayman is nice and sharp, but not quite as responsive, and more willing to oversteer vs oversteer/squeal its tires.
You feel way more planted in the 911 though, like you could sit comfortably 100mph+, while in the Cayman it just isn't as stable. (It won't rattle or shake etc. though)

opinion on cayman vs cayman S? would I feel suicidal pulling up next to a S?

how much work can be done to make the 2.7 faster?

IMS failure, overblown internet myth or do I need to be worried?

Not sure, never driven an S. I know normal 911 vs S or 4S makes you want to die though.

Don't know about any of that other stuff.

And there we go, bait thread confirmed

>2012
>falling apart
YOU FUCKING SPOILED NIGGER I'VE NEVER DRIVEN ANYTHING NEWER THAN 2002 AND DIDN'T COMPLAIN
Or is BRZ's build quality THIS fucking bad? I drive a 1997 BMW and it's pretty good

the core of the car is strong and is gonna last for 1000 years.

the trim is kinda shit

LOL

The Cayman is very different than a 911, but the oldest I've driven is a 993 GT2. The older 911s, I know from many people who own them, are much much more tail happy/unpredicatable than the new ones because (of course) without modern tech they don't cope as well with the engine way out back.

The Cayman is an incredibly balanced handling car due to mid rear, and while you won't win a race in a straight line (which you're clearly okay with) it handles a lot better than a BRZ.
Oil changes aren't bad, and the simples stuff isn't much harder if any harder than a normal car, just be sure to lay something soft over the side of the car you're leaning on.
IMS was an issue for the early 2000s models, the 981 generation iirc. Your car isn't at risk of that. I wouldn't feel suicidal pulling up next to an S, the car is all about the chassis and not so much about raw power. I don't know about modding, I don't know anyone who heavily modded their Cayman.
The devaluation isn't a big issue like the 944, those are just known for being highly problematic old cars, same with the 928. They also came out at a time where the 944 triggered purists, and that feeling kind of stayed. Since the engine isn't up front in the Cayman, that's a non-issue. The newer ones have proven to be very reliable, especially past the generation of the IMS problems. If you decide to sell in 5 years, you would make more money on the Cayman than you would on the Subaru.

t.worked at a Porsche dealership, have driven these cars, and hung around with a lot of Porsche owners and techs.

so chassis is identical to the S?

what about the suspension, is it common to later upgrade it, or are they perfect stock?

this porsche comes with upgraded brakes from the factory iirc, calipers were red and the discs had slits in them. wheels also seem like they're the fancier extras.

don't know what you're able to gather from but, yeah, gonna look at it today and take it for a drive.

thanks anyways, I need all the advice i can get before i pull the trigger on it today

The suspension between the regular and the S isn't different, unless the S has the active adjustable suspension, which was a pricey option for it. But a base S has the same. I know some people would put coilovers on, and beefed up sway bars and such, but most didn't see the need to do that much. The other difference is the 5-speed versus the 6-speed gearbox. They're both good transmissions, and I think the 5 is a little better at keeping things in the power band with the smaller engine, in general a good match. Not a big thing, but unless he optioned it in, it may not have the sport short throw shifter, but that's easy enough to do on your own.

The wheels and the brakes are optional extras, they're a pretty nice upgrade, I believe worth a couple thousand if optioned from the factory.

Also, if you aren't used to mid-engine, at lower revs you'll be able to hear the sound of the gear box because it's closer to you, so it's kind of a mechanical whirring or rrrrrr sound, but that isn't a problem.

Honestly, the best advice I have is to call the dealership he claims to have had the inspection done at and confirm they did it. If they haven't, have a pre-purchse inspection done. It'll cost some money, but it will be worth it in the long run. Also, see if you can get the VIN run in a VIN check thread.

I also commonly saw louder exhausts put on, but everyone does that with everything. I think both models sound pretty good with a louder exhaust.

Also, just about Porsches in general, my favorite I've driven aside from the 993 GT2 was a Cayman GTS. But you won't be seeing any of those cheap anytime soon haha

alright, honestly I don't know if I need more than 2.7l anyways, 240-250hp alone will be a substantial upgrade for me

no idea what gearbox it has, but heard rumors about it being a VW unit?

never had a MR before either, so this is gonna get exciting

>porsche
>vw parts
Should we tell him?

It is, but it's solid. iirc they're rated to something like 400 ft-lb of torque. Don't get over memed about VW.

In 10 years
The Porsche will still be worth the same it is today as the 2008 Cayman has already bottomed out.

The BRZ is still depreciating and it will be worth 1/10 of it's current value in 10 years.

thats kinda true.

but god forbid, if the porsche is your daily driver.

if that guy wants to trade a porshe for a subaru he probly knows what's going on and is trying to rip yo off
don't be an idiot, seriously porshe are seen as the best of best, what guy would want to trade it unless his is fucked up beyond repair

What's wrong with a Porsche as a daily driver.

I daily drove a Boxster for a couple years (including Canadian winters). It was fun to drive a car I enjoyed everyday. Only maybe twice could I not carry someone and had to ask a friend.

How is the BRZ practical?

Small trunk, non-existent back seat.

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>30 more HP
>omg I want to die in a base model

The amount of hearsay in this thread is fucking appalling.

OP the thing about Porsches is the S has to do with the engine and some included options, but sometimes a well optioned base or non S can be a good buy. Be realistic and (if you were buying which you aren't) get the best that you can afford.

Consider that that 8 year old base model is worth the same as a 2 or 3 year old brz. Early boxsters will prob go the way of the 944 price wise but I doubt the same is true for the Cayman as it was never an entry level car. And for the record, as a 997S (former 996 c2 as well) and 944 owner the parts for the 944 are much cheaper. Much much cheaper. The high cost of ownership comes from taking that 30 year old car to a Porsche shop and paying their labor rates. (Which is fucking retarded).

Anyways, OP, do what you want but odds are this is a bad deal for you because it sounds like you aren't quite prepared/excited to own a Porsche. You need to understand the maintenance costs for a car like this and have a want to own and maintain the car. If you want a new car or warrantied work then stick with what you've got. I get the impression you want something cheap and easy... This is not one of those. Don't be that guy that gets a Cayman then let's it rot because they can't afford the shop prices and can't work on the car themselves.

The reward is a truly great sports car vs a great bargain (with loads of potential but again power =$$$)

I'd do it, because muh MR handling and I don't really need rear seats. For a mid-engine car, they're not even bad to work on, but expect running costs to be higher than your BRZ's, both fuel and parts. Also probably insurance.