Would you move to and help build the Venus Project? Had you the opportunity?

Would you move to and help build the Venus Project? Had you the opportunity?

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No, and I would have zero interest or want to do so.

>t. Idiot.

t. user who believes that a Utopian resource-based economy would actually work in this day and age or ever for that matter.

I can elaborate further why I'd have zero interest in it if you want but I'm currently on my phone so it will take me a little bit to type up. Or by all means you can call me an idiot again.

Idiot.

t. Literally just googled Venus Project and going to wiki scholar

I know two people who are into it and they are both autists of the highest degree, so no. It seems moronic.

How about this user, you try and convince me why I should support this project? Then I'll give you a counter point and argument.

>communism with a different name.

Fuck em. Slavers and thieves belong in ditches.

>How about this user, you try and convince me why I should support this project? Then I'll give you a counter point and argument.

Well it's an idea based project based around the fact that the people in charge don't know what they are doing (why would they) they are just keeping the plates spinning.

Fresco advocates for a new city from the ground up, which will not be perfect, but try to do what current society is failing to do.

How can you refute that? You literally cannot.
But I wait to see how you can try.

>didn't deny being a wiki scholar
Perfect. You can watch his talks yourself.

funny, because in his society you can literally do nothing and be provided with wealth.

Obviously with that ideology you would not fit into a utopian based society. That's fine, there will still be a place for you.

>want to end territorial disputes, war, crime, poverty

So he wants the world to be less fun

By ending that shit flinging we can focus on things which are true fun, truly beautiful, truly amazing.

Google's planning to make a city from scratch, too. If I had to bet which one would succeed, it would not be the venus project.

Google's city is literally based on Fresco's ideas. That's the point, he says it himself. He is not perfect, his way is not the way, someone else can take his ideas and make them better.

But at least he is pushing into the right direction.

Saying what you did simply proves your incredible ignorance in this topic which for some reason you feel you are capable of arguing against.

Why?

Exploring dead rocks? Fuck that.

What is a wiki scholar?

Anyways so you're telling me he is essentially wanting to redo society because according to him the current people are failing at it? Is that what you're saying if not then correct me.

However all he is doing is making promises that will be impossible to keep, you say his aims will not be perfect but on his website that is certainly what he's preaching.

How is he going to be able to trade resources in a global monetarily based economy? Who is paying for upkeep? Who is governing? What type of government will this be? If there is no government then essentially it is a higher form of the hippy communities in the deserts of California and Arizona/New Mexico.

>How can you refute that? You literally cannot.

Refute what, him making empty promises with lofty ideals that in reality hold no water? Yeah then sure I agree that's what he's doing right now.

>wanting to live in a world where subhumans like George Soros get to dictate your every move
Nah

>However all he is doing is making promises that will be impossible to keep, you say his aims will not be perfect but on his website that is certainly what he's preaching.

SO yes, you are simply googling shit and taking 2 seconds of research and using it as your reasonings.

I simply will not argue with someone who is ignorant. If his ideas excite you, research them properly, he is spending the last years of his life touring the world teaching peoples about this, the ignorance is on you, not me.

I am not spoonfeeding you, although I could, I fervently will not.

>communism is great, just give up your personal property to us
>Oh you don't want us to steal your shit for our solar farm? We have to build our city in a perfect circle. Its ok... we have a place for you


ya, I've read about war communism and all the cannibalism in Russia.

Sorry, but your kind are slavers and thieves who belong in Franco style mass graves.

>businessmen will exist in a Venus society
Truly an idiot. There is a reason why it's called a resource-based society, and it's not because it's communist. It's because it takes out the step of earning money, instead you earn what you want.

Why advertise something then go back on it? That is literally what the people that do "run" society practice now. Also thank you for refuting the rest of my statement you definitely seem to have an open mind in regards to criticism of the project and have zero biases.

>Why advertise something then go back on it?
I was under the impression there was more than just simple wiki scholars here.

Guess I was wrong.

>he takes his ignorance as a point in his favor
I said it before, and I said it again, I will not cure your ignorance, that is on you.

You can take that how ever you want, ignorance is bliss after all.

Good counter points you've convinced me that this project is a success. Hold on while I donate to this "new and revolutionary society that totally isn't a pipe dream and a half"

Not him but my only question is this:

Can I keep my ar15, pistol and shotgun and venture to any public space with them or not?

hehehehe xD

(you)

>Can I keep my ar15, pistol and shotgun and venture to any public space with them or not?

Sure, but you will live in a world where you do not need those things and your ideology won't be the one which you have right now.

So, essentially, no.

> need
But it's my right. I have it because a lot of people in power have killed people without it.

>But it's my right.
Fuck off.

So how will he protect himself from people that don't have that ideology? Hug them to death?

It literally is though.

No, your right is to a militia, not for every wog and his dog to have access to gun.

>inb4 insane semantic validation
You are wrong.
There is no arguing
Although you will
Just fuck off.
Seriously, just fuck off
I don't care about you
I don't care about your gun rights
I don't care your civilians are massacring each other
I DO NOT CARE
Fuck off.
Take your guns, and fuck off.

>So, essentially, no.
A commie government doesn't want the people armed...what a surprise.

>after your time in the reeducation camp, you will realize how much of a stupid redneck your were for owning such terrible objects.

Please faggot, just off yourself. You pinko filth want everyone's shit, or want people to do your bidding for your autism circle cities. But at the end of the day, you are probably some vegan who doesn't lift weights, doesn't own guns, and would never have the balls to do any of the bullshit you talk about.

At the end of the day, you want this society because you suck dick in our current one. You want everyone to be equal, and think everyone is equal. You really just want to be a lazy fuck who has magic robots do all the work.

The society you want requires violence. Sorry, but I rather be Amish then live in your autism hell hole.

ITT: OP believes a perfect society can exist even though its been peddled time and time again by different people and its been called different things even though its failed literally everytime.

>A commie government doesn't want the people armed...what a surprise.
If that's how you see that idea, I really feel sorry for you.

Why do you people post here? You're idiots, you refuse to change, you refuse to even see a possibility where change IS possible, you simply are ignorant in everything except that which you believe you are not.

Why did you post? I don't care if this thread gets derailed into a discussion about satanists dog fucking and how its good for society, I care about the idiots such as yourself and the logic which goes on inside your head.

You could have watched a 2 second video of Jacque talking and you would understand what you have said is totally besides the point.

But you probably know that and are just pretending to be retarded.

>little bitch thinks that only the government should own guns
> never served in the army.
>wants violence to enforce communist society.

people like you need to be physically removed.

> muh militia

COMMA the right of the PEOPLE to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.

>I don't care about you
>I don't care about your gun rights
You clearly do.

Why would you even post, kek.
(you)
Take a breather, use your words and come back when you aren't angry.

>even though its failed literally everytime.
So, how is this an argument for giving up? You are told in your society if you are knocked down you get back up. What are you doing? Why do idiots such as yourself use this as an argument for your society. Sure as fuck you wouldnt hold that viewpoint if you were born on the other side of the world, in the 80%.

No, because:
a)Fresco's idea is literally communism, with a green vibe(yes, he may deny it, but when you want to make everything public/common property and delete division of labour, it's communism: And that's not even going into specificsneiltokar.blogspot.ro/2011/02/blog-9-global-communist-ideology-of.html. There's nothing new brought to the table);
b) it's already been tried. USSR had a similar program in the 60's(web.archive.org/web/20131003102842/http://redplenty.com/Red_Plenty/Front_page.html "Specifically, it’s about the last and cleverest version of the idea - central planning via cybernetics - and about how and why, in the 1960s, it failed.") and CHile had project CyberSyn.
>inb4 the technology has advanced, brah;
Irrelevant. The core computing principles are still the same. I don't care if central planning is done with a 384 and fax machines, or with IBM Watson and sensors(speaking of computers, i'm in the field. Programmers and dev ops guys of your central planning would have unchecked power, under legit pretexes of debugging or coding the software. I can write off 1000 tons of iron as a bug, and you'd be none the wise. Of course, he says autonomous AI will rule everything. But if AI is hard, with do we need his ideas. Why not just ask the singularity level AI directly to fix everything). Anyway, TVP is still subject to the economic calculation problem (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_calculation_problem)
c)Everything he proposes has been tried in my country. From remaking cities and getting rid of not-needed settlements( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systematization_(Romania) ), to seizing raw materials and processing plants(en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collectivization_in_the_Soviet_Union)


d)The definition of resource is vague. This is not starcraft. Raw metarials are in various states of quality, processing, and other crap.
cont.

I don't mind changing I just want to be able to shoot the commissars taking me to the gulag if things go sideways.

If there won't be any commissars what's the problem?

>this guy thinks his country is doing the right thing
>even though they have THE highest gun violence in the first world
>besides mexico
>he thinks he is right
Please.

>you can't own guns outside of America
Is there a more ignorant idea?

>THE highest gun violence
Gun violence is an irrelevant and unnecessary political partition of "violence", it serves no purpose other than to further an agenda with the implication that inanimate objects committed a crime.

>you can't own guns outside of America

Short of anarchical failed states you can't, at least not like Americans can.

The thing is that the 80% is where the vast majority of these "perfect" societies have been tried and well...we all have an idea of how those turned out.

What the guy is trying to do is communism with a side of futurism thrown in with it and don't get me even started on the "resource based economy".

>poor third worlder lecturing his betters (Americans) about their rights

top lel

>and about how and why, in the 1960s, it failed.") and CHile had project CyberSyn.

>technological cities failed 60 years ago
>technology since then haven't changed to such a degree these things are now possible

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systematization_(Romania)
> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collectivization_in_the_Soviet_Union

These, although in idea. are not the same things Fresco is advocating. He is not advocating the destruction of cities to create his own (although that will be required when all land is full, I guess).

>Fresco's idea is literally communism, with a green vibe(yes, he may deny it, but when you want to make everything public/common property and delete division of labour, it's communism: And that's not even going into specificsneiltokar.blogspot.ro/2011/02/blog-9-global-communist-ideology-of.html. There's nothing new brought to the table);
Wrong, no one is control of the resources to the extent everyone is in control of the resources. Communist societies have a head, and he is in control of the resources. People control the resources in his society, need dictates it's placement.

Sure you can say -
>that's communisim
Yes, it is Fresco is advocating communism in it's purest forms, the corruption of it has occurred over history, this is no argument against communism, it's an argument against human beings and their innate nature.

>Irrelevant.
What? Why do you think an AI which controls our society would for some reason be a singularity? It would control the system which uphold our society, humans are still in control. It's simply using the new level of technology. How the fuck is it irrelevant? Because it refutes what you are saying?
>computers are the same they were 60 years a go
Fucking really? Why the fuck did I seriously respond to you, holy fucking shit. Why the fuck was this the last point I read in your post, holy fuck, would not have bothered.

>Thinks I love the US government
>Thinks that I even believe in the 2nd amendment

I could care less about low IQ niggers in Chicago gunning each other down. I own guns because I can. I don't need some man made contract I never signed to say I can't own guns.

Now if I lived on someones property who had rules like, "can't own guns, etc" That would be different, as that would be a contract.

Because personal property does not exist under democracy and we have public property where people do all sorts of stupid shit.

sorry queer, you are playing 2d tic tac toe, while the rest of this board is playing 4D underwater chess.

Venus Project cannot survive unless either the whole world goes along with it or it is cut off from it ala Rapture

>if you are knocked down you get back up.
That doesn't mean "do the same shit again", doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is insanity.

youtube.com/watch?v=PTYWzufUAJM&feature=youtu.be&t=53m7s

Watch that from there for 2 minutes, you will have to copy link and put into new tab.

Why the fuck are you arguing something you have no idea about?

I can't imagine a person older than 25 and/or with an IQ higher than 100 who would endorse this lunacy.

Go away /v/

Well they are not doing the same thing over and over again, that's the point.
Kek. It's literally impossible to do the same thing over again.

I honestly do not understand what you are saying?

youtube.com/watch?v=qlTA3rnpgzU

looks like pseudoscience to me

I'm not a Communist, so why would I?

It's literally just a form of technocratic Communism.

e) there are no fail-safes. If the project starts going south, we are fucked. People of yesterday could self-organise, revolt, retreat in the forest, grab pitchforks or guns and get rid of an opressive rulership. But in an RBE, their leverage is null, and the whole thing is lopsided towards the system. They literally have nothing.

Speaking of opressive systems, what's to stop everything getting seized from within by some group, like ISIS or some fourth-reich lovers.
>inb4 people that would live in an RBE wouldn't be like that.

What if it happens? Humans are flawed fucks.
Of course, Fresco proposes a tabula rasa based understanding of humanity, which modern psychology disagrees with, HARD.

But that leads us to:
Criticism of Fresco's methodology:

>He is not advocating the destruction of cities to create his own
Actually, he is. He pretty much says that, except a couple of museum cities, everything else needs to be demolised because it's inefficient.

>Wrong, no one is control of the resources to the extent everyone is in control of the resources.
That's literally what pure communism is(communist countries of the past said they aren't communist, since they haven't gone past the socialist stage that LEADS to communism). It's what Marx wrote about.
>Yes, it is Fresco is advocating communism in it's purest forms
And that has always failed, in application.

>computers are the same they were 60 years a go
This may surprise you, but the building blocks of computing are the same.
The OS used in most super-computers nowadays is a mutant form of UNIX, which was created in the 70's.
IP was made in the 70's, FTP as well, etc.

>This may surprise you, but the building blocks of computing are the same.
>The OS used in most super-computers nowadays is a mutant form of UNIX, which was created in the 70's.
>IP was made in the 70's, FTP as well, etc.

Wow. Just wow. We do not use IP anymore, we use IPv6 soon to be IPv7, so no, it's not IP anymore. Are you serious?

>The OS used in most super-computers nowadays is a mutant form of UNIX, which was created in the 70's.

Jesus fucking christ, this is the most retarded thing I've heard. Sure the interfaces haven't changed much, literally everything else about computers has changed though. Your phone is more powerful than the computers that were on the first space ships, but that is of no consequence, right? There are literally no benefits to be gained from such advancements in computing?

Do not need to touch on anything else in your post, you are a fucking idiot. This is all besides the point as quantum computers now exist and soon to make all other forms of computing obsolete.

>The OS used in most super-computers nowadays is a mutant form of UNIX, which was created in the 70's.

Oh, so kernels are not always being updated as technology advances and the software needs to be adapted to suit?

God dam son, you're a moron.

Maybe we are being unfair. They look like good eggs and mean well, they are just not well versed in matters of science. Also Jacques is like 100 years old or some shit so he must be doing something right.

The scientific community can be full of elitist douches and that can put people off, professors and such get a lot of students asking dumb questions, so when a layman comes along with a genuine interest in the science but doesn't use the right lingo the response is basically "just read your $800 college text book phuqqboi". If any happen to be genuine plucky auto-didacts with real potential this is an obstacle and not a good thing.

Naturally they go on the internet to search for information, but as we know the internet is a shitty resource if you are susceptible to memes.

The solution is to try and get them to be more open to the scientific community and healthy scrutiny and criticism. Perhaps also the business community, good wholesome corporations like Monsanto are always interested in raising awareness of what they are doing and the benefits of their products and services. These corporations pour billions into R&D and are pioneering the very technology Venus Project types dream of, yet they seem averse to capitalism for some reason.

>The scientific community can be full of elitist douches and that can put people off, professors and such get a lot of students asking dumb questions, so when a layman comes along with a genuine interest in the science but doesn't use the right lingo the response is basically "just read your $800 college text book phuqqboi". If any happen to be genuine plucky auto-didacts with real potential this is an obstacle and not a good thing.

One thing he argues for is the creation of a new language which avoids this and he gives you examples of peoples working towards this ideal. pic related.

>These corporations pour billions into R&D and are pioneering the very technology Venus Project types dream of, yet they seem averse to capitalism for some reason.

In this day and age I honestly believe companies can exist outside the ideas of capitalism.

a) Fresco doesn't use the scientific method:
The whole thing isn't based on reaching for evidence that will guide us to a concludion. He states the conclusion before-hand "cybernetic central planning is the best system."

b) Fresco uses loaded language.
In truth, monetary system means jack shit. Money are just tokens. What he is against is division of labour and private property. But he doesn't say that, because he'd have to provoke a proper criticism of those 2 difficult subjects.
But everyone hates paying for shit, so that's a low hanging fruit.

c) All his evidence is anecdotal and he uses tu quoqes a lot.
Seriously, watch his stuff, especially The choice is ours. Lots of his arguments there are "so i was on these islands once, and people were, like, totally nude and shit, brah. See that everything's a social convention?" or "I saw a baby get angry, because his brother got attention. Don't do that, dude."

Or read his FAQ.
Lots of his questions are "that won't happen in a RBE, because monetary systems suck"
>Internet Protocol version 6 (IPv6) is the most recent version of the Internet Protocol (IP)
It's an update of a protocol, not something else.

>Your phone is more powerful than the computers that were on the first space ships, but that is of no consequence, right?
And the kernel of the phone is the same ass UNIX clone spin-off that uses the "everything is a file" system developed then.
You are mixing evolution with revolution.

>This is all besides the point as quantum computers now exist and soon to make all other forms of computing obsolete.
Ok, and the advantages of quantum is the addition of fuzzy logic and unbreakable encryption. How does that help with resource distribution compared to before? You still haven't answered how all this cool tech bypass the economic calculation problem?

What you're proposing is literally jumping into a tiger cage and expecting the tiger not to eat you. It's downright stupidity. Your low IQ is so obvious by the way you post, holy shit.

>muh gun violence

Why is it important whether it's gun violence or knife violence or tractor violence? It leaves dead people one way or the other, if we confiscated all the guns from niggers they would still kill each other with knives and clubs.

>Oh, so kernels are not always being updated as technology advances and the software needs to be adapted to suit?
Yeah. But it is still subject to the POSIX system.

>God dam son, you're a moron.
Spare the ad hominems and answer the subject at hand.
How have you solved the economic calculation problem?

>It's an update of a protocol, not something else.
Kek, this isn't exactly the fucking point? It's so far-fetched that an updated system be more efficient and use the newer hardwares more effectively, wow, just wow.

>And the kernel of the phone is the same ass UNIX clone spin-off that uses the "everything is a file" system developed then.
It is still more powerful and able to compute more raw data than its predecessor?

>You are mixing evolution with revolution.
What the fuck are you even saying?

>Ok, and the advantages of quantum is the addition of fuzzy logic and unbreakable encryption. How does that help with resource distribution compared to before? You still haven't answered how all this cool tech bypass the economic calculation problem?
What? The fact that kit can compute raw data at a speed completely unknown to humans? Are you actually seriously that ignorant in what computers are for? They literally just parse information ,the more information it can parse the quicker the better the machine it is. Machines today parse much more information than it's ancestors.

I literally have no idea what you are saying? Are you actually saying computers today are the same they were? because they rely on updated systems?

What?

>How have you solved the economic calculation problem?
Where did I say that I did, just that you are utterly retarded for even trying to say computers haven't changed.

Jesus.

>muh wiki scholars

So did you expect Veeky Forums was populated entirely of people who have taken a university major on retarded hippy communes or something? What qualifies one to discuss things in this thread and win an actually useful elaboration on your shitty idea from you?

t. Wiki scholar
I love it. He, and you, would know if you actually listened to one of his talks (not wiki scholaring) you would know he is not actually promising anything, or advocating for anything past trying to implement technology into the building of a city from the ground up.

He has given examples of how this can be done, but it is always tentatively preferred with, this is simply my idea, it's not the right way, if you can do it better, do it.

Back to wiki with you.

I'm saying the underlying architecture is the same thing, but faster. Therefor it is still subject to the same problems the older versions had.

>Where did I say that I did
You didn't, that's the problem. That's what i've been going at, but you've gone full autist on the computer example.
If all this super-high processing has not fundamentally resolved these issues, it's not applicable in this field.

So perhaps you should read on basic arguments against central planning before you start parroting whatever you heard on wikichats.

>yes, he may deny it

youtu.be/PTYWzufUAJM?t=1h16m53s

Just because you say it is something doesn't make it so. What you say he want's is not what he wants.

>Therefor it is still subject to the same problems the older versions had.

This is literally wrong, like objectively, since you know, technology is advancing. We are doing more and more with the things we have. If it still had the same problems we would be in the same state.

This is literally the most retarded thing I have ever heard.

>You didn't, that's the problem. That's what i've been going at, but you've gone full autist on the computer example.

No one, not even Jacque said they could solve this problem, they are at least trying. That's the fucking point. I latched onto the computer aspect because it's literally, not even joking, literally the most retarded thing I have ever seen, and I have tried to shove a pole up my ass.

>If all this super-high processing has not fundamentally resolved these issues, it's not applicable in this field.
You are so fucking wrong, computes do not solve problems, who fucking said they did? They compute the raw data that allows humans to solve the problems, this has always been the case, are you fucking serious?

I am done. You are a proper fucking idiot. Cya.

>underlying architecture
We are currently using third gen processors, so this is wrong too.

>we still use the wheel
>therefore society has not advanced an inch since 3500 BC
Really now?

>This is literally wrong, like objectively, since you know, technology is advancing. We are doing more and more with the things we have.
OK, let me give an example.
There is a famous online videogame developed by a major studio. They've done major strides in the past few years with their tech.
But their stuff is still limited because the client is written in Adobe AIR, and AIR is fundamentally a buggy piece of shit, and the thing was not made for millions of connections.

> No one, not even Jacque said they could solve this problem, they are at least trying.
If Fresco hasn't even given a thought to resolving a problem which is THE argument against central planing, it shows his whole plan is crap.
Not that his little project won't die once he croaks, anyhow(his friend Meadows is just good as a spokesman)

>Google's city is literally based on Fresco's ideas. That's the point, he says it himself.

Is there a source other than Fresco? He is hardly the only person to propose building cities.

I don't understand why so many socialists/anticaps are so anti-market and want centrally planned everything.

there's wikipedia ;^)

>Is there a source other than Fresco?
No I mean, people are following his ideas of creating a new city.

Saying x will do x better is besides the point as that's literally what Fresco wants, he want to make people aware of his ideas so people can work on them and perfect them.

As he says there is no final frontier, his perfect cities will look like crazy asylums to the people of the future as they will design better cities.

It's also directly implementing modern technology into a city into it's base design, to create not just a city, but a society around said city.


I am not replying to you anymore, I told you that, why the fuck did you bother?
Feel free to expose anyone else working towards these ideals.

>people are following his ideas of creating a new city.
That idea comes from the new town movement and garden town plans.

>Feel free to expose anyone else working towards these ideals.
Read the venus flytrap. Theres a part at the end where the author gives some solutions to solving the issues Jacques rants about.

Intredasting.

>The original version of this book, Language in Action, published in 1941, was in many respects a response to the dangers of propaganda, especially as exemplified in Adolf Hitler's success in persuading millions to share his maniacal and destructive views. It was the writer's conviction then, as it remains now, that everyone needs to have a habitually critical attitude towards language—his own as well as that of others—both for the sake of his personal well being and for his adequate functioning as a citizen. Hitler is gone, but if the majority of our fellow citizens are more susceptible to the slogans of fear and race hatred than to those of peaceful accommodation and mutual respect among human beings, our political liberties remain at the mercy of any eloquent and unscrupulous demagogue.

I guess it is legit, maybe the most valid concepts could be used as the basis for a khanacademy style site that aims to educate people in the most effective manner without oversimplifying.

>companies can exist outside the ideas of capitalism

Well a company can be owned cooperatively, but without major political change (most attempts have failed), the only way to do this is through private ownership. Maybe the company contract could stipulate that every shareholder gets an equal share and employees get a share. Better still you could foster good spending habits among your followers and encourage them to make sensible investments in tech-oriented companies they deem set for growth.

You have many utopian ideals, but remember most American values ARE utopian ideals that manifested themselves in 1775 and have lasted to this day, they are there for YOU.

>No I mean, people are following his ideas of creating a new city.

The thing is though that I don't think Google's (Alphabet's/Sidewalk Labs') city is
>literally based on Fresco's ideas.
I think they're a competitor, and with much more funding and expertise, I think they're more likely to succeed. I don't think that's a good thing, but I think it's true.

>That idea comes from the new town movement and garden town plans.

Waaay older, but even just within modern American futurism the idea is old.

no because I wholly do not believe in its values or feasibility.

this is just one more in a long line of Walden worshipers

lol can you imagine the cost of repairing this shit?
especially in winter

I'd go around with a sledge hammer smashing them desu

>the road gets a virus and breaks down

No, because it sounds pretty fuckin gay desu senpai

Also, 25 year rule, not Veeky Forums, etc.

>I think they're a competitor, and with much more funding and expertise, I think they're more likely to succeed. I don't think that's a good thing, but I think it's true.

You inherently misunderstand it's core value if you think it's a competition. If google does it better, that's literally the goal.

Yes people have been expressing these ideas since the begining of technology, Jacque is actually making moves to make his dream reality.

He is a step further ahead than philosophical writers. He is applying action to his words.

>Also, 25 year rule, not Veeky Forums, etc.
If you actually read anything about the subject you would know he has been talking about this for much longer than 25 years.
desu sempai.

>Veeky Forums is for history
He said with 50 theological threads open.

>You inherently misunderstand it's core value if you think it's a competition. If google does it better, that's literally the goal.

>Anything that does better is now part of Jacque Fresco's vision, regardless of whether its goals, philosophy or implementation align with his ideas, and Jacque Fresco's vision is thus the best for all time

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>It's purest form
>It's

It's an absolute construction. The things said before the comma affect the things said afterward. You know nothing about the history of English punctuation and grammar. Kill yourself.

>he shills for a washed up con man who smoked too much pot.
>he does it for free
>you will never be this pathetic

>Jacque is actually making moves to make his dream reality.
He does jack shit except make some models of his cities and record himself talking.
We haven't seen a single blueprint from him, a single production plant, or anything else.
His next step of his plan doesn't involve "let's field test the RBE on a small village" it's "making a theme park that will show the benefits of living in the future economic system", so in other words remaking EPCOT.
If the system was so good, he could have proven it by at least housing and feeding with basic stuff 1000 people or something, and doing it more cheaply than the free market.
One doesn't need the entire world's resources to make cloth, water and vegetables for a town.
Nor do you need super-advanced tech.
A custom linux distro and some arduinos could do the trick, you know, as proof-of-concept.
Speaking of linux, there is a place where "if you think you can do it better, you can make your own projects", the open-source community.
I'll start taking him seriously when i see "basic resource distribution system 0.0.1" or blueprints for one of his robots on GitHub. Again, as a proof of concept

You can go visit him and ask him in person, he has completed a few stages of his project on Florida, but yeah. You won't so why did I bother?

I've seen some of the stuff he's done. Some habitats and domes. Nothing that's RBE specific.
Besides, i live in Eastern Europe. You really except me to go to Florida just to see some models?
Anyhow, we live in the information, open-standards age.
Any project which is founded on free stuff, open access and the commons must have it's blueprints and software online, to be debated, tinkered and tested and proven their worth by the common people.

Its literally just rebranded utopian socialism. Marx already BTFO the utopians.