Why have Muslim empires so consistently excelled at Architecture?

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This looks Baroque as fuck. Interesting.

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Yeah. It's a blend of Gothic+Islamic architecture

my dick

Would muslims allow non-muslims to enter a mosque?

Really wish I wasn't on mobile so I could dump my HINDU architecture folder

slave labor

this looks like some weird russian church-turned-mosque

Yes? as long as you're not a dick and follow the guidelines (no shoes n some other stuff that varies from place to place). The one down the road has cake sales occasionally.

In Western and less extreme countries? Yeah.

But Saudi Arabia and the like? Nope

What's that?

You are now aware that Islamic architecture is heavily influenced by Byzantine architecture.

>best exemple of 'muslim architecture'
>20th century fantasy-style

They conquered highly advanced civilizations and enslaved their intellectual elite. If it wasn't for the muslims, India would probably rule the world by now.

>India would probably rule the world by now.

WORLD POWER BY 2050

SO MANY WHITE SLAVES

Now that is cool

WELCOME TO MECCA CASINO

Its mainly because they are "Exotic" to look at for a westerner like you because you are used to western Architecture

Look at the surroundings. Brazilian favela tier.

i hate saudis so god damn much

Looks like a British folly. Architect?

What is it with oil barons and being gaudy/showy?
Is it just a nouveau riche thing, or something cultural?

HER NAME WAS LOLA
SHE WAS A SHOWGIRL
BUT THEN SHE FINALLY GOT THE SACK
AND NOW WALKS AROUND IN A GARBAGE BAG

Yeah, it's a psychological issue, due to imbalance
>spent millennia living like dirt in the desert, barely scraping by
>suddenly strike oil and become rich
>try to show you're as good as the rich westerners
>overcompensate and end up gaudy as fuck

Pic related was originally a Byzantine church, which was converted into a mosque by the Turks when they took over Constantinople. (This triggers a lot of people on Veeky Forums for some reason)

Gothic/British Imperial style/Old French style/Renaissance architecture

You can't deny that St. Peter's Basilica is one of the most beautiful buildings in existence, especially the interior.

Worth noting that the domed architecture characteristic to Muslim architecture was heavily influenced by Eastern Roman Christian churches. I've always liked the open interiors of mosques and such though,

Also, old Russian orthodox architecture is pretty cool, pic related

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Muslim architecture was ripped off from the Sassanids. For example, Cteisphon.

It mostly came from Persians:
>"Virtually all European scholars claim that Arabic music and architecture has Persian origins".[38]

More like Sasanian architecture.

>he doesn't know what the Saudis did before oil
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabi_sack_of_Karbala
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman–Wahhabi_War

>for some reason
Haha XD
You motherfucker.

Oh wow, they waged war.

What a peaceful and prosperous time they must have had

>Why have Muslim empires so consistently excelled at Architecture?
>muslim architecture
You mean byzantine(Greco-Roman-Christian) and Persian architecture ?
>>Thousands of years of spaniards before and after Muslim rule in Spain and their defining monuments are castles and mosques made by Muslims

Nope.

Whatever architectural accomplishments the muslims have had throughout the years, they nullified them all with this cancerous fucking eyesore.

My point was the Saudis commanded groups of Wahhabis and even made a pact with the founder of the ideology itself. They used this group to commit genocide against Shias at Karbala and would have done more heinous acts if Muhammad Ali Pasha didn't bitch slap them.

Yet this family is one of the few bastions for hope in the Middle East and there's no problem with them being head of the UN Human Rights Council, according to the West.

'Merica fuck yeah

>My point was the Saudis commanded groups of Wahhabis and even made a pact with the founder of the ideology itself. They used this group to commit genocide against Shias at Karbala and would have done more heinous acts if Muhammad Ali Pasha didn't bitch slap them.

They also murdered tons of them in the 1920's, which pissed them off and indirectly led to the siege of Mecca in 1979, which led to Wahhabism being exported outside of Saudi Arabia.

Basically, the whole Wahhabi murderfest is really just a proxy war between the Saudi royal house, who just want stability and money, and the Saudi Ulema, which are the actual Wahhabi shitheads who probably prop up al-Qaeda and ISIS and want to take over the whole Middle East

Many lulz will be had when they run out of oil and Saudi Arabia collapses. That will probably be a Liberia-tier fuckfest of murder and perversion. Or they can reform their religion, but we all know that will never happen

>tfw Russia will never return to its former glory and remove kebab in the middle east

Sorry I joined the party a bit late, I know a lot about Islamic Architecture, read these books too. Ask me anything

The Muslims back in the pre-modern era were at the forefront of mathematics, due in no small part to the fact that they had access to some ancient Greek and Roman texts. This is also why he Byzantines had such cool architecture.

Why is it that whenever Muslim art, architecture, literature, or any other aspect of their civilization is mentioned there's always a swarm of autists going on about how they 'stole' Greek and Persian culture as if that were a bad thing?

Why are Cambodians allowed to copy Indians, Romans allowed to copy Greeks, Japanese allowed to copy Chinese, but Muslims not allowed to copy any earlier culture, including that of their own ancestors?

>Have there ever been a historical rival to Muslims in terms of architectural prowess?
Indians/Southeast Asians easily had better architecture than Muslims up until around the 13th century, after which point Westerners easily had the most impressive stuff. Islamic architecture has consistently been great but it was never really the 'best', though maybe around the late 16th/early 17th centuries you could say it was on par with Western stuff.

I went to a mosque during a trip to kazakhstan.

Weren't the slavs the ones inspired by turkic and persian architecture?
Not trolling, just wondering.

Western Islamic and Russian architecture are both ultimately derived from Byzantine architecture. The similarities are because of their common origin.

russian/orthodox>gothic>british>spanish>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>old nippon>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>everything else

Isn't Islamic architecture heavily influenced by the architecture in the lands it spread to/conquered? Byzantine, Roman, Greek and Persian for example.

Mostly Persian. However, it mixed with Moorish and Turkish elements to create the generic Islamic architecture stereotype

Literally every idea in history was built upon and refined, that's how we get progress. How this basic rule escapes most of the people in this thread and this website in general amuses me.

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Under construction:

>spain is andalusia
Fuck off moro

Spain might not be Andalusia but you sure are anda-deluded lmao

Taj Mahal was a hindu shiva temple converted to a mausoleum.

t.pajeet

>That disgusting illumination.
Who can ever thought that these lights were nice?

Interested. Please do post when you reach home.

kek

>They conquered highly advanced civilizations and enslaved their intellectual elite
That's because they were a highly advanced civilization. Stay anally devastated rajmukesh

Go blow yourself up terrorist

>Thousands of years of spaniards before and after Muslim rule in Spain and their defining monuments are castles and mosques made by Muslims
Are you retarded?

>Under construction
>In Baghdad

The constructors must be very confident if they are constructing a structure like these in middle of a state of war.

>rakesh how about we build a fucking pyramid with cuts in it and call it the epitome of our "civilization"
>good job pradeep *shits next to it"

Looks like kalima's pointy dildo you smelly brown bastard

/int/ posters should be shot

D E S I G N A T E D

Christianity and Islam are two great builder religions.

Only SEA Buddhists can rival them in their freaky temples.

The lack of hindu architecture that comes to your mind may be because Muslims destroyed a lot of temples in their areas of influence you know?
Besides that, the remaining Hindu architecture is already amazing.

you dense motherfucker, the dome of the rock was plenty impressive for its day

>Why is it that whenever Muslim art, architecture, literature, or any other aspect of their civilization is mentioned there's always a swarm of autists going on about how they 'stole' Greek and Persian culture as if that were a bad thing?
Because they're racists who think only whites can build stuff.

Plenty of nations excelled at architecture. If there's a serious, non-troll question here, then it's because the economic network of the Medieval Muslim world allowed skilled artisans to move about freely, especially when enticed by incredibly wealthy patrons who, starting around the 12th century I think, began to see donating to public works and religious buildings as the best way to earn fame and prestige. With a common language, or at least an easy way to accommodate well-traveled foreigners no matter where in the Muslim world they went, a skilled artisan or architect from Morocco could end up all the way in India, theoretically at least.

t. Muslim.

Since Islam has a very strict attitude towards Images/depictions of Earthly things, the only path for a Muslim artist was to innovate via the use of elaborate patterns, mosaics and other such things while at the same time being completely free of depictions of humans, animals, etc. While there are notable exceptions, (the Taj Mahal has depictions of flowers set in semi-precious stones in the marble, for instance) patterns dominated the scene of Islamic architecture and art. I have seen absolutely stunning Jain, Hindu and Buddhist temples on my trip to India, with fantastic statues, frescoes, and carvings all over the building, but people seem to be much more attracted to abstract patterns than icons nowadays. It's more easy to connect with an elaborate pattern than a fresco of Buddha's life or of Shiva if you are not familiar with their respective cultures/religious dogma.

>Greeks
>Romans

Also this, the Taj Mahal and other fantastic Mughal works involved artists, architects, artisans, and even materials from places such as Afghanistan, Persia, Arabia, The Levant, The Ottoman Empire, etc. The Lapiz Luzuli and other stones that make up the flowery depictions on each arch of the Taj Mahal were mined in Afghanistan.

Not an indian here but you're a retarded Mohameddian subhuman, Indu temples are magnificient.

>Why are Cambodians allowed to copy Indians, Romans allowed to copy Greeks, Japanese allowed to copy Chinese, but Muslims not allowed to copy any earlier culture, including that of their own ancestors?
The Cambodians did not invade and desecrate the Indians and their religion, slaughtering wide swathes of the population and suppressing/oppressing those who were left until they adopted their barbaric religion. The Japanese did not do this to the Chinese, the Romans did not do this to the Greeks, etc. Islam an insane, psychopathic desert death cult that idolizes some filthy pedophile merchant who became a cult leader and slaughtered all of his detractors while destroying any semblance of any religious fate in his region except his own. His successors to this day are repeating this, from the Zoroastrians in Persia to the Hindus, Jains and Buddhists in India, Pakistan, Indonesia, Malaysia, and Brunei, the Buddhists/Zunists in Afghanistan, the Christians in Ethiopia, Egypt, the Levant, Anatolia, Greece, Serbia, Bulgaria, Hungary, Libya, Tunisia, Morocco, Spain, Portugal, Sicily, Armenia, the Levant and Mesopotamia. You are the cancer on the civilized world, and the only way you ever manage to restrain the beastly, monstrous urges of your people to oppress and kill anybody different from them is when you are brought under the control of Western powers, or at least, under Western style governments, the Shah, for examples. But just like the Shah, you people always manage to rear your heads like a disease and ruin it. It is no wonder that non-Muslims are harassed, beaten, killed, tortured, forcefully converted and raped from Bangladesh to Sweden. Every misfortune, set-back, defeat and humiliation your people suffer are deserved ten-fold, and I hope and pray for the day when we can eliminate your filthy, goat-screwing, little girl fucking, acid mutilating, bombing and shooting people are wiped off from the face of this fucking Earth for good.

It's funny you are naming the Dome of the Rock as it was planned by Greek Architects.

Russians, not "Slavs" you dense retard.

100% agreed. Fuck muslims, if you dont want to be hated, dont be a fucking muslim.

It was started in '98.

Wow what a pathetic post. First of all, all those people you mentioned invaded others, destroyed large parts of their culture, killed lots, and forced them into other cultures. Then you do the typical "they kill people, lets solve it by killing all of them" hypocrisy. The rest is just the typical tripe about pedophiles and shit.

It's clear to anyone with more than two brain cells that the causes of such a fucked up Islamic world are western intervention, and not that western intervention fixes them. The Shah was literally overthrown thanks to the USA.

The Muslim Mughals were literally India's best period, but i think your post is actually subtle irony.

This is just a side point, but it's important to include Russia in what you say is the west. I assume you do mean for the west to include Russia's meddling as well, but you open yourself up to all sorts of bullshit academic dishonesty by not making it explicit. And on the same note, it's especially important to make explicit that mentioning either does not diminish the other's influence in shaping the contemporary middle east.

>Then you do the typical "they kill people, lets solve it by killing all of them" hypocrisy
Thats like saying since Nazis genocide jews you need to sit on your arse and do nothign because "you will become Nazi user" argument.

You are a islamic apologist and other than Akbar the mughal period was largely punctuated by wars, rebellions and large scale death that set the stage for Marahtas to rise along with the Sikh Empire and over-throw the islamic stranglehold on the subcontinent. This inturn allowed centralized powers to fragment that led to English exploiting the break and fill in the gaps to become the prime authority in India.

People like you see history as an argument to be won, it isnt, according to me it is a series of causal events that needs to be viewed objectively and any mention of islam to be villified and denigrated because muh feelings.

OUTTA MY WAY, MOHAMETAN FUCKING SHITS

>It's clear to anyone with more than two brain cells that the causes of such a fucked up Islamic world are western intervention.
Did the Romans intervene to cause Mohammed to rape little girls, or to destroy religious idols? Did the west intervene with Aurangzeb demolished every single Hindu temple in Varanasi? The best time in Mughal history was Ackbar's time, he left Islam and created his own religion, it was the only time when different religions could debate. How about when the Mughals reserve the fate of creating skull towers for non-Muslims, or when Babur smashed centuries old carvings of the Jain Tirthankaras? Did the west intervene to cause the Jizya? How about slaughter Zoroastrians en masse? Middle-Eastern Christians? How about Visigoths living in Spain? Or the Greeks living in Anatolia? Yes, George Bush caused all of that, didn't he?

The fact that you would reduce Mohammed being a filthy pedophile to a "trifle" is staggering. You're going out of your way to defend a pedophile and dismiss his deeds as being trifles. You're absolutely fucking sick, like every single Mohammedan on Earth.

Can you name to me an example when the Romans did this to the Greeks on the scale of the Muslims? Or when the Cambodians did this to the Indians and Chinese?

>The Shah was literally overthrown thanks to the USA
>No fucking proof.
The Shah was PROPPED UP by the USA, and Britain, you're absolutely fucking deluded if you think the USA propped up the Ayatollah Khomeni so that he could rule Iran. Are all Muslims this mentally deranged? Are all Muslims this accepting of worshiping people who fuck 9 year old girls?

>Are all Muslims this accepting of worshiping people who fuck 9 year old girls?

That's the definition, isn't it?

>Muslim
>Has a Heineken tee

>according to me it is a series of causal events that needs to be viewed objectively
>any mention of islam to be villified and denigrated because muh feelings.

That's a complete non sequitur

Because Muslims destroy and deface local architecture.

THIS

A world without muslims and islam would much more secure, the MENA would be civilized and there would be no muslim attacks.

>no indication that he's muslim whatsoever

>Muslims move in
>destroy all native architecture or convert it to Mosques
>lol look at all this cool shit we built!