When is Veeky Forums going to acknowledge diesel is the superior engine for DD?
>more torks
>available at lower end
>easier to merge
>easier to overtake
>more efficient
>cheaper at fuel pump
>fun to hoon around because it actually pulls when you want
>dat turbo whine at 2500rpm is bliss
Face it Veeky Forums.
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that was true in the 90's
now we have EGR and DEF to deal with and its fucking nightmare.
>makes no horsepower
EcoBoost is still better.
>bigger
>heavier
>shit when N\A
>the only tripfag that drives a shitbox and absolutely refuses to believe it's a shitbox
It would be relevant if your roller skate.made more torque than a civic.
>delete egr
>downpipe
>delete dpf
>delete kat
>custom remap tailored for you
Ecoboost is a meme.
>it still uses a timing belt
>no electro-hydraulic valve control
kek
Not that much heavier.
>implying it doesn't
well more displacement for less power
Are old people trying to dress like hipsters now?
What a time to be alive.
Yet diesel engines still make shit for horsepower.
ecoboost>diesel
Diesels aren't about hp, they're about torks.
You can't beat diesels in torks per liter.
>ecoboost
>turbos failing left and right
Multiair is where it's at.
>implying it doesn't
Refugees welcome?
>turbos failing
If it happens it's a rare occurrence.
Do you have any actual argument?
A diesel Ram 1500 loses to a EcoBoost F150 in the 1/8 mile every time.
>posts a random dyno sheet
>doesn't mention what engine
I might as well post a 1.9 multijet making 200hp and 400Nm. Would that be okay for you?
sup busrider
Hydrogen>diesel
>google ecoboost failure
>Ford PR nightmare
But still, I don't get why you're still comparing a petrol engine to diesels.
>random engine
Its the 1.5L in the new civic you daft twat
>this mad you got BTFO
YOUR engine doesn't make more torque as the new civic, get over yourself poorfag
>diesel is the superior engine
Do you know what the word superior means? What are you comparing it to then?
>claims diesel is superior
>"why are you comparing petrol to diesel"
Are you fucking retarded?
he thinks diesel are better so you got your answer
>hey man, this strained 1.5 Turbo makes 50 more torks than a 1.3 diesel
Amazing mang.
If I raise the boost .15bar I'll be making as much torks.
Firstly because Ecoboost is a meme. There's literally nothing new about the engine. That's why I don't get why you're still mentioning it.
And I didn't even mention the amount of failures the smaller ecoboosts suffer from.
Google a bit about the 1.0 ecoboost unit.
Secondly, read my OP. It's not a fucking time on a drag strip that will dictate anything. This isn't benchracing general.
>moving goalposts
>if I tune my engine it'll make more torque, the civic is strained
>not benchracing general
>makes blanket statement about diesel being better while driving a shitty little car that gets BTFO by a CVT civic
Get real you delusional poorfag.
>Ram 1500 Ecodiesel take 9 seconds to reach 60
>Ford F150 ecoboost takes 5.6 seconds to reach 60
>"DIESEL IS BETTER U GUISE!!!!"
>post yfw ford ecoboost hauls more weight at the same time
>implying that 1.5T making 180hp isn't strained
I bet you're one of those guys saying the 1.4 TSI is strained, but won't admit the civic is.
kek
Btw, nice 250Nm at 4500rpm.
I'm good with my 200Nm at 1750rpm and a possible 250 at 1500rpm with a simple remap.
>literally benchracing
>claims diesel is superior for DD
>implying reaching 60 over 3 seconds slower is better in any way for DD
>ecodiesel takes 9 seconds to reach 60
caranddriver.com
>EcoBoost takes 5.6 seconds to reach 60
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>still tows more
kek, stay mad
>implying you know more than highly trained engineers
Fuck outta here
Okay then, if you want to cherrypick...
>M550d
>3.0L
>380hp
>740Nm
>535i
>3.0L
>302hp
>400Nm
slippery slope
so you are more likely to loose traction in bad weather
gas is better for DD it weight less you can have a N\A that is less likely to fail
cold start are better
it get hot quicker so consume less when you're commuting in winter and you have heat sooner
>gas is better for DD it weight less you can have a N\A that is less likely to fail
Yeah, like 30kg will make that huge of a difference, uh?
And even turbocharged diesels have less components than N/A petrols.
>cold start are better
They're called glow plugs.
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>it get hot quicker so consume less when you're commuting in winter and you have heat sooner
My car takes literally 3 minutes of normal driving to reach the normal operating temp in cold weather (which is relative since I live in southern europe and cold here is about 5ºC)
What? How am I cherry picking?
>ram's 1500 ecodiesel is literally incapable of reaching the speed limit while towing due to the fact that it only has 240 hp
>reviewers clearly say it has no passing power
>2.7L ecoboost f150 doing the the same exact test with the same weight easily reaches 80 MPH
Can you please explain to me how diesel is superior if it can't even reach the speed limit while towing under 8k pounds? The EcoBoost had no problem going over 80 MPH.
DELETE THIS
>What? How am I cherry picking?
Because you're literally picking a single example to make a point?
Oh and i forgot the noise and vibration
Diesel engine need turbo direct injection and glow plugs to do the same as a petrol engine
Well 3 minute isn't long but 5 isnt cold
And a petrol would warm up quicker
Also they need more antipolution device than petrol engine
And soon every diesel will a urine reservoir for lower emission
Okay? You just claimed diesel is superior for overtaking, which it isn't. Are you done damage controlling?
>Oh and i forgot the noise and vibration
Depends on the engine. Nowadays diesel engines are pretty refined.
I don't feel any vibration inside the car and you don't even hear the engine above 1750, only the turbo whine.
>Diesel engine need turbo direct injection and glow plugs to do the same as a petrol engine
The ECU rarely uses the glow plugs to warm up the engine. Only in extreme cases.
>And a petrol would warm up quicker
Again, it depends on the car.
>Also they need more antipolution device than petrol engine
Just a DPF. Also, you have the benefit of actually having the option to straigh pipe everything including the DPF and Kat and have literally no worries on a roadworthiness inspection, because they only measure the smoke opacity.
>And soon every diesel will a urine reservoir for lower emission
Well, those beers have to go somewhere.
Are all tripfags this fucking stupid?
Again, you're still basing your whole argument on a single example.
If a diesel makes all the torks low down, why the fuck wouldn't it be better for overtaking and merging?
It's common sense.
They have their advantages. Use at discretion.
Now shut the fuck up and stop stroking your own ego, fuckin' cuntwad.
because gearing exist, dumb tripfag
>downshifting when you can simply apply a bit more throttle and let the turbo spool freely
What are you? A pleb?
>gearing equals shifting
woah, you are seriously fucking retarded
There's is no way that a diesel engine will pass a GTR, Corvette, or a GT500. You're a fucking retard. Gasoline is better for DD, period.
He is shilling his shitbox diesel, of course he is.
only diesel I would take is BMWs 6 cyl, the 335d from a few years back was the ultimate daily driver
I don't say they couldn't do the job i just say a petrol engine could do it better
Glow plugs are often use here in winters and i in middle of europe
Well i tested a c 3 and a clio wich had a 1.4 L diesel and a 1.2 petrol guess wich is quicker to warm up has more power and consume less when cold
And at the equivalent trim in a car petrol engine will make less noise
For the inspection you pass but you're still polluting more than a petrol
Yeah just remenber you will have to buy adblue in store if you don't want rust every so enjoy paying for piss
>still grasping for muh ecoboost and its perfect gearing
No matter how well geared your transmission is, it won't take advantage of the torks low down, because the engine can't produce them.
But whatever.
Are you lost, buddy?
I drove a petrol Xsara for some time before and that took ages to get up to normal operating temps in the cold.
And don't worry, petrol cars will eventually have as much eco green shit as diesels in the future.
>No matter how well geared your transmission is, it won't take advantage of the torks low down,
you are fucking retarded
Yup but for now petrol is better
I had a laguna 2 that would warm up quicker than my old twingo
But a diesel on these would have been slower
>an engine not being geared for torque it doesn't make is a bad thing
Okay, you've passed the line from "mildly annoying" to "complete fucktard."
If you like diesel so much, go ride the fucking bus why don't ya? Save the planet.
>literally only a 500 rpm difference between the ecodiesel and ecoboost for max torque
>ecoboost makes 90% of its torque (300 lb ft) under 2000 rpm
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I'm not sure if you are actually mentally handicapped.
Diesels aren't better for passing.
k
>still cherrypicking the same exact example
>still doesn't understand I'm generalising
If you have a car making 300Nm at 1800rpm (which is an average for diesels) and another car making 300Nm at 4500 (which is an average for turbo petrols), which one will be better for overtaking in a standstill or even at a slower pace?
Are you really THIS dumb?
The petrol one
It's better to have variation in your torque curve
ARE YOU FUCKING RETARDED??
The EcoBoost F150 makes over 100 HP more and the same exact torque numbers. The only difference is it has to rev 500 RPM's higher.
>4500 is the average for turbo petrols
[citation needed]
You claimed they're better for passing. If they're better for passing name one production street legal diesel in existence that will be able to overtake a PETROL 918.
Go ahead, I'll wait.
You're either retarded or you never drove a diesel.
I'm betting both.
The only thing you proved is that the diesel engine used on the Ram is shit. Nothing else.
Any decent turbodiesel engine will make more torks from a lower displacement than a turbo petrol.
>918 accelerating
Well, it's not like it doesn't have instant torks from the electric motor... Oh wait, it does.
lol this nigga wants to lower his fiat econobox for HEKTIK LATERAL Gs when he's going from his mom's house to community college
I did drove a diesel and every time i would race my friend i would win because they needed to change gears more than me
But i sure you're right and every race car ont the planet is wrong
>muh torque
It's still not going to out accelerate a petrol counterpar
>no!!! it's not fair!!!
Okay, I'll make it easier for you. Try to find a diesel that's faster than a GT500. Go ahead, I'll wait.
I didn't race with a diesel thought
Sry for this bad phrasing
>triggered tripfag attempting to justify his rationed yurospec 0.9L easteregg
my sides
>stupid tripcuck btfo
kek
Fuck off with your cantturn mobiles, alphonse.
>literally backed into a corner
Read your original post . Sorry, buddy but a racecar isn't a daily driver. ;^)
>tripcucks actually BTFO this hard
>muh torks
POWER is what matters you fucking retards.
It could make 400 lbs-ft but if it makes 50 hp you're going nowhere fast.
>I sure love air pollution
Japs were right, diesel is shit. Petrol hybrids until electrics are good enough.
>implying race cars weren't mentioned
>get btfo by a diesel race car, which in turn btfo other petrol prototypes
>huh, DDs aren't race cars
No shit, bby.
>GT500 does 1/4 in 12s
>meanwhile a 1.9 diesel does it in less than 10s
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>implying petrol cars don't pollute twice as much
>race cars
The argument is about Daily Drivers. Read OP's post you illiterate fuck.
>10 second quarter
lol, you don't want to play this game
>literally a drag cage with a plastic R35 shell
Nice try there.
>diesel is faster
>gets proven wrong
>NO! IT'S NOT FAIR!!
You posted a diesel car setting a 10 second quarter that isn't street legal. Keep crying.
tippity toppity kek
Who told you it isn't street legal?
protip: the car is known by it's license plate letters
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Am I doing this right? :^)
6 seconds? Aww, that's so cute.
>post yfw there isn't a street legal diesel in existence faster than this
thats an 1/8 mile
check urself before u wreck urself
>posts 1/8
lol
kek, btfo
btfo!!! how will diesel ever recover?
kek, BTFO!!!!
>implying they're even running petrol
Nice try tho.
name one street legal diesel that's capable of 200 mph
>GTR
>6.6 quarter
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>fastest non street legal diesel
>6.8 quarter
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>fastest street legal gasoline
>6 second flat quarter
kek, are you just going to ignore that the diesel is slower every time?
name one diesel to set a sub 7 minute nurburgring lap time
name one street legal diesel in existence that outperforms a 918 or P1 around a track
name one production diesel supercar that beats it's competitors
>implying diesels don't have the potential
>see diesel prototypes
It just happens brands still don't invest as much R&D on performance diesels. Good thing is, slowly they're starting to do just that.
>fastest lap on Le Mans
>diesel Audi R18
>doesn't have any evidence
>resorts to a different track
kek, btfo
>superiority of diesel prototypes isn't evidence of diesel's potential
k
>superiority
>one race track
You still haven't proven any of these claims wrong.
you gotta admit though, there's some old american V8s that'd give em a run for their money. buick 455 comes to mind.