I have a question for catholishits. Instead of breaking the first two commandments by talking to statues, (and trying to justify it with semantics about intercession) why don't you just pray to God directly?
After all, if Mary isn't in that statue as you say she isn't, then people in heaven must be able to hear you...
I am an atheist but you know Christians have been venerating saints since the first century.
Every branch of pre-reformation Christianity does this is some form or another, not just Catholics
Evan Morales
Praying to a graven image is never allowed. There is a reason the reformation happened.
Jordan Sanchez
Because German princes didn't want to obey the Pope?
Lucas Barnes
No dude, german princes didn't wanna obey the emperor.
Isaac Kelly
The iconoclasts lost that debate a thousand years before the reformation.
I'm actually agree that Jesus would object to it, But I think he would object to being considered God in the first place, and the entirety of Christian tradition including the new testament
Andrew Collins
Roman Catholicism was just a way of saving Roman Paganism. Protestants completely missed the point of the religion while rightfully rebelling against the church.
Brayden Baker
They're praying to Mary, not the statue.
Carson Perez
They didn't lose any debate actually, they lost favor of the rich elites of Constantinople. And John of Damascus' defense of icons is one of the dumbest fucking things I've ever read, seriously.
>God SPECIFICALLY INSTRUCTED Israelites to put two angels on the Ark >lol this means we can spam idols as we plase!
Raise your hand if you're stupid enough to find that shit logical. It's like the dumbass doesn't even comprehend the "forbidden until specifically permitted" principle.
Jordan Kelly
That makes them pagans
Adrian Clark
>try to justify shit >make things even worse
Connor Peterson
>breaking the first two commandments by talking to statues
eh, it's a bit like how the buddha preached against deities or attachment yet in tibetan buddhism there is heavy emphasis on the names and appearances of bodhisatvas and demons, using visual stimulus to anchor meditations
Nathan Taylor
Well everyone does that anyway. Look at proddies: scripture is paramount, but we decide what is scripture and what isn't. Theology comes out of conveniency, coherence is optional.
Noah Collins
They were praying to El, not the calf.
Nolan Flores
You can't even use that because the calf was Moloch
Adam Cruz
I have one extremely contentious point with intercession: if everyone prays to God in the end, what is the need to venerate or have intercessory figures? Even if they have a better connection to God than you, they ultimately have to ask God as well. Why not just ask God directly?
Carter Gutierrez
Not only that but God supposedly knows the past, present and the future. He knows what you are going to ask and he has already decided whether he will concede it or not from eternity. So the Catholic argument that Hurr intercession will raise the chances of getting your prayers answered is all the more lame.
Isaac Campbell
The calf was probably a stand for El.
Josiah Taylor
Because they can put in a good word for you
T. 8 years of ccd
Jonathan Powell
>catholics >knowing their own doctrine
kek, it's almost as bad as most protestants.
That's why it's best to reject organized religion.
Owen Lopez
Lol I guess God can't do anything anymore. Just think of all the scrolls that haven't been discovered of left out. It doesn't make them any less real. If something was written today that was truly of God who are you to argue? If Jesus says you can pray to the saints and Mary then you can. The Bible isn't the only thing out there.
Colton Davis
Never met a protestant that couldn't explain their doctrine to me
David Turner
>If Jesus says you can pray to the saints and Mary then you can. Wut?
Hudson Martin
You must have never met a protestant then.
Jayden Wood
>The prayer of a righteous man availeth much James 5:16
Parker Allen
Say you have a visitation from God tonight Jesus and Mary and he says yeah you can pray the rosary are u gunna argue and be like why
Kayden Barnes
It's because Paul. It's always Paul, that shitling has to have been more important to christianity than Jesus fucking Christ himself. Specifically, Paul's letter to the corinthians is the basis for the communion of saints doctrine, that more or less states that saints are joined with Christ's mystical body, so praying to them is basically praying to him, directly. The intercession shit is pretty much baseless, but pointless too, since praying to the mystical body of Christ in all of its parts is not blasphemous.
Jack Williams
Live in the south pal
Julian Perez
>ohh fugg he prays to the fake sky man slightly differently than I do? Kill em!
Brayden Wilson
...
Cameron Watson
Well in that case, yeah.
Adrian Bennett
t. mohammed bin ibn mohammad
James Thomas
And why would they be more inclined to favor you than God?
There's literally no point if you don't have some kind of fetish for statues
Nathan Lee
>a fetish fetish
Grayson Brooks
The Bible is clear about this:
>1 Timothy 2:5 >For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus
One mediator is Jesus, not "this guy from the 9th century who got canonized for bleeding from his anus and I'm praying to God by talking to this guy's statue"
Ian Parker
Is protestantism a religion built around shitposting?
Owen Morris
Are you referring to Luther's 95 shitposts?
Michael Lee
>praying to God >reading the bible >not honouring the Empress of Heaven
fucking Prodscum never learn.
Samuel Cooper
>The Bible get a load of this Proddy
Nathaniel Howard
Please excuse me but your ideas on God and faith slightly differ from my own and here are 95 reasons why, all codified and organized by type of offense. I will now engage in petty squabbles for several centuries so my vision of an abstract concept can become the most relevant.
Nathan Bell
>the Bible doesn't matter
Adrian Green
is that too hard for you to accept Jan Hus?
Brody Fisher
Question for Proddiecunts: is Revelation Pagan?
>A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. Rev 12:1
Proddiecuntism is literally Muslim tier.
Grayson Hill
proddies cut out the "inconvenient" parts of the bible
Jack Bennett
Yeah except there's literally nothing identifying this woman as Mary.
John Smith
It is stupid i agree with you. That's why i don't consider myself Roman Catholic anymore
Oliver Green
>The woman's "male child," is a reference to Jesus (Revelation 12:5), since he is destined to "rule all nations with a rod of iron" (Revelation 12:5) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woman_of_the_Apocalypse
Elijah Murphy
The woman actually represents Israel, hence the 12 stars.
Oliver Cruz
The fact she gives birth to a son destined to slay a great dragon and rule over all nations pretty firmly cements the Woman in Revelation is Mary the Mother of God.
Austin Peterson
Why do Proddiecunts worship Israel? Are you Pagan?
Michael Ortiz
Nope, see
Jonathan Anderson
Who said we worship it? We don't think that woman should be worshipped at all.
Charles Johnson
Fair enough. Neither do Catholics.
Jaxson Garcia
And guess who was a Jew. Hint, Mary, the Mother of God.
The 12 Starred Crown symbolizes Israel, everything else is Mary.
Camden Reyes
Actually she wasn't a Jew, she was a Levite.
Hudson Lopez
blah blah blah blah
Michael Murphy
You say that but we can all clearly see that you guys do it anyway
Cooper Thompson
And Levi was a?
Oh that's right, SON OF ISRAEL AND PATRIACH OF ONE OF THE 12 TRIBES.
Jack Garcia
You realize how few people care and just use "Jew" as shorthand for "the good bible people from before Jesus and the big nosed media people we have now" right?
Thomas Campbell
Yes and the picture is calling those people retards, because that's what they are.
Cooper Morales
>We don't pray to the statue, we're praying to the holy individual represented by the statue. >LOL stupid fucking pagans, literally worshiping statues that can't hear them
David Myers
People get tired of worshiping the same divinity all the time
Julian Gonzalez
Jesus would object to Gentiles thinking they could crash the salvation party
Nolan Flores
No Mary no Jesus
KNOW MARY KNOW JESUS
Jordan Morgan
Do you also worship Mary's mom?
Austin Campbell
Luke 1:48
for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.
have you called the Mother of God blessed in your prayers lately proddies?
Nicholas Peterson
>Sola scriptura Except for Lutherans performing gay marriage apparently. Also: "Whatdoth itprofit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?"(James 2:14).
David Turner
St. Anne?
Well, her and St. Joachim are honored for bringing the Immaculata into the world, and thus, bringing Christ into the world.
Cooper Stewart
What would Luther think of modern Protestantism?
Lucas Reyes
>Lutherans performing gay marriage >not being Episcopalian/Anglican master race
Ayden Johnson
>Jesus would object to Gentiles thinking they could crash the salvation party Amen!
So peeps What would Jesus think about "Paul the Usurper"?
>following a religion solely made so that a king could proceed to marry as women as needed to get an heir >following the national religion of England without having the queen/king as the head nor any connection to England
Also Episcopalians do allow gay marriage, wouldn't be surprising if the Anglican church will do so soon as well.
Austin Lee
He'd probably hate it, just like most popes/bishops of the time would hate Vatican II
Jose Robinson
>anime
also there are theologically conservative movements within anglicanism. many of the african churches are very conservative inb4 racism
anglicanism would be the most theologically diverse 'denomination', they range from pseudo-catholics to quasi-evangelicals
Nolan White
Having differing factions inside of a religion does not make it especially diverse, the same could be said of catholicism, orthodoxy, or any major branch of Christianity. Regardless, most Episcopalians are majorly liberal, extremely so compared to other branches of Christianity, and Anglicanism is also liberal in its homeland of the U.K, which I would imagine be a indicator of the branch as a whole.
William Scott
Official doctrine that may be, but my church has never had a gay marriage and certainly has no idols to speak of.
It's the religion of nondegenerate members of the superior Anglo-Saxon race
Kayden Gonzalez
Because their church is an abomination.
Landon Thompson
in australia the sydney anglicans are evangelical fundamentalists
Grayson King
Jesus was a great man, but only a man. Paul was a charlatan. Get over it. Remember. Christians are not the majority on this planet.
Julian Robinson
WE
Logan Cooper
>this is what papists actually believe
Jose Nelson
Yes and in catholicism poles are incredibly conservative and fundamentalist. It doesn't matter that some congregants are more conservative or more liberal, what matters is official dogma, which all congregants must agree and adhere to. Anglican church is liberal in its dogma, meaning on the whole it is more liberal branch of Christianity.
Liam White
Strawman of Sola Scriptura
Kevin Wright
Its so dumb people can worship, most people are too fucking stupid to worship real power without some image to associate it with.
Nathan Nguyen
I don't
Carter Campbell
Yet your church would perform a gay marriage if asked. Also >Anglicanism >non-degenerate >literally made so Henry VIII could violate marriages at his beck and call
Tyler Russell
Ok well then you don't have to ask for intercession retard. It's just an option, an exercise in humility.
James Johnson
It's contra biblical and Satanic
Lucas Robinson
That's an athiest you twat.
We believe in Transubstantiation, how the hell could you reconcile that with denying Christ as Divine?
Lincoln Perez
praying with mary
Aiden Jackson
t. muslim
Robert Davis
Just as Christ propheside Into the lake of fire you go, Mohamet
Kevin Young
>the Bible is muslim
Benjamin Gutierrez
Elaborate pls.
Leo Roberts
He'd love it, however damnable heresies have masqueraded as Protestant since Arminius
John Allen
lmao
Alexander Martinez
>contra-biblical >Bless the Lord, O you his angels, you mighty ones who do his word, hearkening to the voice of his word! Bless the Lord, all his hosts, his ministers that do his will!" >Psalms. 103:20–21
There's even more than that. Now just shut up and ask those who've won to pray for you so that you come to follow God's Master Plan and achieve the Heavenly Reward like they did.