Chinese car thread

It's a Chinese product produced under capitalistic communism. Like all state-run business products, it's a steaming pile of shit.

he looks so potato

>With modern cars they just turn up the boost.
b.bbut if you do that in a cheap chinese engine that is underpowered for the car, it will wear out fast.

>it will wear out fast.
It doesn't matter. They have your money already.

just looks like an Avalon

just came back from china. got driven around in all kinds of cars, drove some too.

driving is INSANE. it's an absolute free-for-all and accidents actually happen much less than you'd think with everyone selfishly cutting in every chance they get. basically you're constantly at 75% throttle or on the brakes, everyone's squeezing by with an inch to spare, NOBODY OBEYS TRAFFIC RULES.

pic is from Macau, we thought it'd be a good idea to put stolen casino cocktail glasses on ppls cars

as far as cars go even local chinese know chinese local brands like BYD are shitty, their drivers are stereotyped as aggresive trashy ppl like the way we'd look at drivers of used BMWs here in the US

most ppl of means are obsessed with foreign cars, they think Ford is like expensive top quality shit, one of my cousins paid like $40,000US for a shitty ford Focus.

they don't like Honda/Toyota that much, Lexus has like 5% of the respect it gets in the US and definitely seen as tiers below BMW/Audi/MB.

pic is the parking area in my uncle's building

one thing that fascinated me was that random shitty village places will have tons of $500,000USD cars, like who the hell are these ppl in random places in CHina who have that much to spend on cars.

cars cost about 2wice the prices we pay in the US, for various reasons. so driving a ford mustang is like the equivalent of a doctor or lawyer in the US, so ppl who drive Ferraris--they have to be really special. yet you find countless such cars in every random ghetto corner, Benzes parked outside 3rd world village shops where the buildings are falling apart, etc. etc.

i went to Beijing, Chongqing, Shanghai, Hong Kong, Macau, and Hainan Island with a friend. neither of us could understand how China worked sometimes, it just doens't make sense

Priorities

Is there logic to chinese cars?

Chinese cars are even in video productions. Look at this theatrical chinese movie versus the american version. Did they even bother licensing the copyrights OR the trademarks? Of course not. That would be a waste of money.

Pictured is a chinese car knockoff SEQUEL movie to the previous knockoff one made for Cars. Disney tried to sue the first knockoff but the makers claimed it was a independently made movie. Evidently the suit failed since the knockoff sequel for Cars 2 was also made. Lawyers for the defendants replied that images of "K1" and "K2" were created independently, based on the appearance of real automobiles. They also argued they had emphasized that "The Autobots" was a domestic movie, so consumers would not be confused by the name. Similarities to disney and pixar movies or plots is purely coincidental.

What kind of logic do mainland chinese capitalists have?

Vegetarians are those who eat only vegetables. Chinese Vegetarians eat fish. Therefore fish are vegetables. Chinese cars taste good. Therefore cars are vegetarians because chinese vegetarians have good taste. Disney and pixar movies have bad taste, therefore chinese never copy them. Uh uh. No way. This is true because chinese companies do not pay patent royalties or copyright fees, therefore that is in itself proof that no copying occurred. That is why fish are vegetables.

Chinese cars. Made in good taste. Therefore made out of vegetables. Vegetables are good for you. Therefore chinese cars are also good for you. Buy one today. Buy one now. You know you want one.

Disney probably didn't pay big enough bribes for the first movie case. For this sequel movie case, disney hopefully learned the lesson and pays big bribes and sinecure jobs to chinese judicial families and government officials. Then they will get the proper court verdict in Shanghai courts.

They are the fucking worst. Not even memeing.

the reason so many chinese people are seen as uncivilised is because farmers became millionaires overnight - they have so much money they dunno what to spend it on
t. /int/ and Veeky Forums

Since so many in Veeky Forums mock Ford for their "EcoBoost", if the Chinese made copies of Ford cars without EcoBoost, then Veeky Forums would be praising the Chinese for inventing something new and great.

a strange imitation born of ambition and misunderstanding
I think they are a little too short sighted especially given the population density and smog problems

Don't trust anything ever made by those chinese bastards.

>Chinese cars

Good luck with that one Disney. Western companies have been suing Chinese companies for years over copying of everything from cars to handbags. And, every time those companies have lost their lawsuits. Chinese judges are not exactly known for being unbiased.

Fugly hatchback design

If they can do a proper sedan boots I'd give it a better second look

At the current stage I am about as skeptical to them as I am towards early 90's KIA, Hyundai and similar brands.

Dubious build quality, usually little to no info about where the cars are built and under what conditions, what materials are used, crash tests and so on.

China has a reputation of "quantity over quality", and at the current time I wouldn't feel all too smart buying a chinese car, even I would be able to get it at a good price & registered.

Shit on a stick m8

Many of the brands failed ANCAP safety tests and are not allowed to be sold in Australia. Even the ones that can be sold suck balls

the seat belt failed to lock on a Great Wall when they were tested. Faulty seatbelt they say. Meanwhile even fuckin Thailand can make a seatbelt that works.

Buy one if you want to look cool but die in your first crash

It does not matter how slowly you go as long as you do not stop.

- Confucius

>Chinese cars
pffffffffft HAHAHAHA

oshit they said the same thing about Japanese cars.

I worked as a temp at a scanner company many moons ago. The company wad based out of the UK, but did work with an American company. They made the mistake of working with a Chinese manufacturer and we had to fix their mistake with a costly recall.

From that 1 month project, I learned enough about the Chinese to never buy anything from them that even resembled a need for reliability.

They are a "bare minimum" culture. If they can save a penny by cutting quality, they will. The quality control they supposedly provided was non-existant: over and under torquedevelopment bolts, plastic where aluminum should of been used, belt tension that either barely turned with the motor or snapped upon start up, and much more.

They are not a country associated with quality, because that is not in their culture. The average factory worker has less education than a 7 year old in the worst American public school, and less pride in his work than a crack-addict on the location of his next bowel movement.

I know this seems harsh, but seriously, only purchase from China if it is the most basic of product needs. Even then, be wary.

as a person who knows asians quite well the chinese are like the whites of the east

they are totally stuck up and snobby and rude as fuck

the only people more condisending are the japense thats why their population is in freefall

the chinese are similar to americans in their pigheadedness

but all chinese are indoctrinated by their fucked up corrupt dictatorship

Oh hey gook.

Which anime is that from?

>2.0
>turbo
>less than 200 horses
Lol. Honda B series where making 200 naturally aspirated.

No they didn't.

Jap cars got popular cos they where cheap AND reliable and good on gas.

Not just cheap.

Hyundai and Kia got the hate it deserved, and they learned from their mistakes. Now they're doing good.

>chinese
>whites of the east

>Faulty seatbelt they say. Meanwhile even fuckin Thailand can make a seatbelt that works.

The problem is that the chinese workforce is also individually corrupt. How does that play out?

Let's say YOU are the owner of the company and you genuinely want good cars and spend the appropriate money to build them. Your parts supplier contacts your employee doing the seatbelt installations and makes a private deal. The parts are altered (cheapened) in order to make more profit. Part of this profit is then directly paid by your parts supplier to your supervisor and/or employee for the seatbelts. This pattern of corruption goes on for many other subsystems for your car. This is part of the type of individual entrepreneural capitalism the chinese have for making money. They all want their piece of the pie and they'll figure out ways to get it.

>that guy on the right

It would suck if something like that went on in a usa company. It would be like having an auto shop where each of the mechanics made private auto repair deals with the customers to do extra things and collected money under the table. The shop wouldn't know and wouldn't collect any money on the repairs or services.

>an auto shop where each of the mechanics made private auto repair deals with the customers to do extra things and collected money under the table

My chevy dealership doesn't allow customers to pick which mechanic works on their cars. All communication must be done through the service writer or manager. I've tried to ask to talk to the mechanic but my chevrolet stealership says no.

Stealerships are like that. Control the customer's options. Disqualify parts of the warranty by making notes into the computer records. Etc.

>Now they're doing good.
They're doing better than before and that is good. But they are still sort of minimalist towards the customer in reflection to the ruthless koreans' ruthless way of ruthlessly eking out all the biggest profit they can.

You're the first one I've seen to say that in a serious way. I never thought of the Chinese as the Whites of the East. Their culture is quite different from western white culture. It is also quite different from eastern and asian white culture. Remember, there are lots of white cultures in asia, so you cannot simply lump all the whites into the west. China has whole territories whose indigenous peoples do not look like ethnic Han Chinese.

>just came back from china
>NOBODY OBEYS TRAFFIC RULES.
Don't they have traffic lights? Cars still have to stop for those? If they hit a pedestrian, they have to stop due to witnesses?

Yea, none of that is enforced

Looks pretty promising in the next 10-15 years

I want to invest in a state owned chinese motor company lel

extremely cyberpunk

Don't they still make fucking XJs, complete with horrid build quality, even thinner sheet metal and a grenade for a diff?

>Don't they have traffic lights?
When I was in Beijing they did but only at the biggest intersections. Most intersections didn't have lights. They also don't have special left turn lights, only the standard ones that serve the purpose of all lanes, turning or not.
>Cars still have to stop for those?
In cities they do, but in small towns and villages nobody stops for shit
>If they hit a pedestrian, they have to stop due to witnesses?
Yes they'll stop and help them but the police may not be called unless it's very serious

performance specs from a chinese manufacturer. all lies.

collison safety? lol. bribe extortion racket in china. don't expect any collision safety.

local government guys, money from bribes and land expropriations.

>performance specs from a chinese manufacturer. all lies.
Chinese restaurants can even buy trash cooking oil made from discarded oil or oil that was thrown away into the trash but scooped back up out of the garbage, refined and filtered.

Regulations exist on paper. And that's it. Bribes and extortions exist as lubrications in the regulation machine.

Design-wise, they occasionally have some good ideas. I guess one or two of their manufacturers will try to sell their cars abroad somewhere between now and 5 years.

Most likely manufacturer to try their hand on the European market will be Qoros (joint venture between Chery and the Israel Corporation), considering they already have tested one of their cars at Euro NCAP (coming in at 5 stars as the first Chinese car).
They'll probably try to enter the market like Kia and Hyundai did back in the day.

>collison safety? lol. bribe extortion racket in china. don't expect any collision safety.

Mainland china courts are notoriously crooked. Some western companies are forced off because of countersuit corruption. For example, the court dismisses the claim by the westerner. The court then accepts the countersuit of defamation, libel, and slander which of course succeeds. The western company must then pay the fines and fees to both the chinese court (whose officials line their pockets) and the chinese company (who makes profit on the fines, punitive damages, and compensation for lost business). This has happened in the past, thus most companies don't even bother to try prosecuting any more.

>Guangzhou Auto Trumpchi GA8

>What does Veeky Forums think about Chinese cars?

For most authentic complete experience of quality, buy one in China. Then drive it to a chinese restaurant that uses Gutter Oil.

>China has a reputation of "quantity over quality"
>Chinese restaurants can even buy trash cooking oil made from discarded oil or oil that was thrown away into the trash

That "Gutter Oil" is a constant problem in china. The internet made news of that possible back in the 1990's. Guangzhou region canned goods (including export goods) such as Pearl River Fried Dace and Eagle Fried Dace used such oil.

creepybasement.com/chinese-gutter-oil/

Making of Gutter Oil from dead animals and discards:
youtube.com/watch?v=zrv78nG9R04

Due to economics, estimates range up to 1/10 (one tenth) of all commercial cooking oil in China was Gutter Oil. It is often used by street vendors too.

Chinese Restaurant using Gutter Oil:
washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2013/10/28/you-may-never-eat-street-food-in-china-again-after-watching-this-video/

Street Vendors:
businessinsider.com/chinese-street-vendors-use-gutter-oil-2013-10

Giving Toyota some competition for terrorist despot munition transportation requirements.

I don't.

>Giving Toyota some competition for terrorist despot munition transportation requirements.

Criminals and terrorists aren't going to BUY the chinese cars. They murder and steal for whatever armament and vehicles are best for their needs. Very often, they will have subverted some soldiers or staff by either appealing to religion or by holding family members hostage since their families aren't guarded. Obey us or your families in the next state, country, city will be terminated. It's been effective in getting a lot of Iraqis to provide weapons and comm gear along with all passwords and codes to operate them.

youtube.com/watch?v=YtsDc2ObdJ0#t=40s
youtube.com/watch?v=aTxbbvCf3zY#t=10s
youtube.com/watch?v=245NCBsj4Lc
>chinese quality

youtube.com/watch?v=G2OCYr0hpBE

Looks like the Chinese haven't bothered to put in crumple zones yet.

>Manufactured out of spec. Rolling pieces of shit desu.

Chinese automobiles have a long record of not meeting the specifications they are claimed to have. This goes for ALL the car companies. With basically a 100% rate of customers not getting what they paid for, all buyers should wait until there is something to stop the bait and switch attitude the chinese car companies use for testing or test drives. When you order a new car, the one you get will be subtly different than the cars they send to NHTSA, car test labs, care reviewers, and notable car critics.

>bait and switch attitude

That's how products and materials are from them. If they think you are testing (usually near the beginning of your customer relationship), they give you the required purity levels or performance levels. Later on, if they think you trust them and stop testing, they reduce the quality level in order to improve their profits. They might even bribe or influence your own staff in china that does the testing if you are not careful because they do that in other chinese companies.

Holy look at those calipers, those could be for a JD Gator..

>Macau
what language do they really speak there?

The Guangzhou Auto TRUMPchi GA8 is putting 200 horsepower into 14-inch default wheels? Or are those 15 inch wheels in the picture? They're so small looking.

China had taken over that place in the previous century, so it no longer issued its own postal stamps even. One of the takeover methods is to displace the population and replace with Han chinese in key positions.

>The Guangzhou Auto TRUMPchi GA8 is putting 200 horsepower into 14-inch default wheels?

It's the old Trumpchi GA cars that had small 14-inch wheels when they first came out. That car company has a habit of using recycling their old frame for many different models though. The luxury GA8 is based on the old frame for the regular sedans just as their luxury SUV model uses the sedan frame underneath.

Some parts or features look like they were suspiciously copied from other USA production parts. The interior door handles and fitment look like a perfect replica of the ones in my 2016 usa-made car which contains a lot of parts made in china. I suppose usa companies train the chinese companies with both "free" intellectual property designs and factory processes.

15-inch wheels on their top model luxury sedan are going to squeal with any real torque put into them. Presumably no one is buying the low end model and it will be the top end $50,000 Trumpchi GA8 with larger wheels.

It still doesn't look very luxurious and didn't give up the fake sporty front end look with the fake air vent openings. Adding those huge chrome things at the bottom of the doors seems like an overdone feature. Instead of calling it "ricey", I feel like calling it "chinesey" for lack of a better term (is there one?).

pretty much this
the only reason they have similar cars and most of them toyota is because the lack of choices in iraq\syria only things that are common are nissans navada\toyota hilux\chinese shit\old colorados and 85% of them are in this paint style for some reason

>85% of them are in this paint style for some reason

They probably have a standard paint style because if they had a different style (like a UN logo or usa flag) then it could get shot up at random.

i meant for civilian cars that design is everywhere and nobody knows where it came from

i know, this vinyl style is specifically for gcc countries, so look at countries like kuwait, saudi, these countries must be where these vehicles are coming from

They have good crumple zones.

Then there must be a common supplier if any VIN can be obtained for a few of those vehicles.

>Don't trust anything ever made by those chinese bastards.

Some products are actually good. The problem is counterfeiting. A good chinese company will end up having a bunch of knock-off competitors making low quality copies. Those other companies are riding on the reputation of the good company and hoping to fool buyers.

For example, copies of portable hard drives from seagate and western digital are made but use trash rejected drives inside.

There have been 500GB and 1TB portable hard drives that had no real hard drive inside except for a small 4GB usb type thumb drive. The controller chip on the thumb drive was modded to make it look like a big hard drive. Data is written on a loop. When 4GB of data has been written, any more new data coming in will overwrite the oldest data on that 4GB thumb drive.

Chinese ingenuity to sell to the Gweilo.

toyotas are monopolized by one company that operates in ksa who is known to import in humongous amounts, but there are multi resellers and dealerships, then you have car shops who will alter the vins.

>archive.4plebs.org/o/thread/15453564/
according PSA group, DS banded car built in china are of better quality than the one made in france (my 2 cents ->mostly because the factory is brand new and machine tools in France are refurbished from the 70s)

Sounds like the end of european car manufacturing starting with France, then England, and Italy. China doesn't have to lead the way with the best features or tech. It only has to copy enough, changing the looks of what they copied, and sell essentially the older version of things. It if takes away a certain percentage, the other companies will fall down due to not enough market share to maintain their pension plans and high salaries and benefits due to the european tax system.

>It doesn't matter. They have your money already.

More so than with a standard american Stealership, the chinese companies have a reputation of not honoring warranties or doing botched repairs over and over in hopes you will simply give up because you need the appliance to work and cannot have it out of order months at a time.

One can say that "Oh once the company has become established and gained experience in the usa market, it will change." But in general, this is not the case. There are plenty of established chinese companies and they are poor about warranty service. To them it is a grudging unnecessary expense that exists only because the USA demons required a warranty be mentioned somewhere in the sales papers.

Expect used parts sold to you as "new" when you go in for auto warranty service. They will skirt the law in their usual way by saying you can get new or parts may have remanufactured components. That is what my GM stealership says anyways in its service contracts.

It's illegal for any company operating in the us to pay bribes to foreign powers, fines for doing so can number in the millions of dollars.

Thats part of the reason Chinese cars are not sold here, since the whole economy is corrupt

You know the term "getting chinked"?

It exists for a reason. Quality and craftsmanship means nothing to them, it's a massive cultural issue. Think of a population of 2+ billion people, all trying to fuck each other over because fuck-you-got-mine.

That's Chinese culture in a nutshell. You have to hawk over every step of the design/build/manufacture/test process as a vehicle manufacturer, because if you don't, not only will the chinks running the subcontracting lie to your face, when you call them out on it, they'll call you the idiot for expecting them to hold true to their word.

If you've ever been to /g/ and seen the chinkshit threads, you'll understand that this is why aliexpress does such huge business. Unlike what most people think, aliexpress isn't so much an Amazon copycat as they are an escrow company for chinese goods. This is because you literally need a trusted third party to hold the money for you (as a consumer) to make sure that the seller will provide the goods he or she promised, because if you don't have funds in escrow, the providers will just fuck you over and provide some shitty subpar product that is not what they promised, if they provide anything at all.

Extrapolate this out to a large-scale, complicated product like a vehicle, and imagine that every subcontractor is trying to cut corners, and every design engineer is trying to take shortcuts to meet demanding deadlines, and every number cruncher is pressuring design teams to limit expenditures to eke out more profit rather than raise the MSRP to a reasonable level. Is the resulting product something you'd want to drive? I certainly wouldn't.

A foreign subsidiary will do the payments. Or it will be from a swiss account thru a panama lawyer company specializing in laundering money to politicians in return for influence peddling.

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>You know the term "getting chinked"?

It's just like chinese companies selling lithium ion batteries in the USA. The retail packaged batteries are claimed to be new and have capacity stated as well as meeting safety requirements. Instead, the batteries are used parts packaged in a new case. They know you arent' going to send the cell back to them for replacement, and if you did, they would simply not respond.

See this thread article for examples of chinese unsafe scam LiON batteries taken apart showing how they are actually recycled used batteries or are missing required safety features.

candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?400136-Disassembly-of-some-UltraFire-batteries

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Another thing. Chinese-made NiMH batteries often don't meet spec in performance or lifespan, so problems aren't limited to Li-ion cells. In the pictured graph, the same model/size of ENELOOP NiMH batteries can be made in either japan or china. But the chinese ones have half the life of the japanese ones even though they are the exact same battery model and catalog number. Clearly the chinese factory is cheating on the ingredient quality and material purity.

imgur.com/a/aSFTC#9zNDdQw
This is a pretty good example of how shit the Chinese are. I dont know why anyone who want to buy a car from them.

This is exactly how I lost my job in the auto industry and this is why I'm of the opinion that all mainland Chinese are subhuman trash.

>Work for auto parts company
>most of my line is made by 1 Chinese company
>stupid, but it wasn't my choice, was that way the day I signed on
>I've seen their factory, its a total fucking shithole
>Worker's small children kept in "playpens" which are the same bins they dump parts into
>quality predictably starts slipping
>send out a part that is outright dangerous
>gets into the hands of an enthusiast who is well known on an enthusiast forum
>great.jpg
>he writes a detailed write-up on this forum about how garbage our products are
>this thing is a piece of shit, it's embarrassing and it's nothing like what they sent us as samples.
>we clamp down on the QC and pre-inspect ALL PRODUCT coming through our hands
>Chinks get all butthurt because the Gwailo start sending their shit back to them
>They stop quoting us prices for new parts
>I have 100 new products in the pipeline just waiting on pricing
>New products are part of my performance review, BTW
>MONTHS go by while these faggot chinks beat around the bush refusing to quote us out
>I raise a stink to our purchasing manager
>user where the fuck are all your new SKUs you're not performing up to our standards
>we have to let you go
>fire me
>still don't get pricing from the chinks

Fuck China.

All you chinks need to just starve

im sorry to hear that user. How are holding out now?

I think they are going to be mediocrely made entirely plastic half-assed copies of other manufacturer's designs riddled with fit-and-finish issues and suffering terribly from mechanical maldies and poor rust proofing. Getting parts would be an absolute nightmare. Getting auto insurance in a civilized country would also be an absolute nightmare.

Save yourself and go buy an old Lada, you would be (strangely) happier.

Source:
I've been to china. I know what their manufacturing is like. Their metallurgy is also usually shit.

All the chinese with money drive Lexus, Mercedes, and BMW, also... Buick. For some reason.

>tfw Lada life
eat shit mainlanders

So you are basically saying the chinese are just like americans.

You sure don't respect either whites or asians.

They Drive Opels rebadged as Buicks. Kind of like how the nicer Buicks states side are Opel derivative.

>Americans
>snobbish
That's a Euro trait

> 5% of the respect it gets in the US and definitely seen as tiers below BMW/Audi/MB.

Lol no. Lexus is more expensive in China than any if the other brands. That's the only reason they aren't as popular.

I saw loads if CT200hs in Shanghai but for the money you can get a mid-tier A6/E Class/5 Series. The German cars are all locally built so they're cheaper

No, it really isn't. I'm impartial to either region, and it most definitely the Americans who display more snobbish behaviour. Not all, but the vast majority.

As a Canadian, who's traveled to most of Europe, and has been from Alaska to Florida.

Americans are full of themselves sure, being NUMBA WUN!

but Europeens are the snobs.

Americans don't see something as the 'only way' to do things, that's Europe. Americans are all 'whatever works' and don't really look down on people for not doing exactly as them.

Case in point would be health care or something, Americans just kinda say 'it works for them, doesn't work for us' Europeans say 'Those barbarians are killing people! We in Europe are more enlightened.'

Land Cruisers in China and SEA also have these.

Literally anything you want to do in China is so much of a headache you need to bribe someone along every step. It's just fucking ridiculous