Superior styling

>superior styling
>superior fuel efficiency
>superior driving dynamics (11:1 steering, shorter lower and lighter)
>essentially equal horsepower and interior room
>costs thousands less

Why even buy an Accord anymore? gg honda you fucking retards.

>buying a modern honda
Cuck

i dont understand why anyone would buy an accord now
the civic so fucking big

Because back in the day, the Civic was actually a true compact car.

The cars progressively got bigger over the years. The 2016 civic is fucking huge. It's bigger than my mom's 08 accord.

The only reason to get an accord is if you want a V6.

yes the civic has become the accord, this is a pattern that's repeated across the industry.
fucking retarded one but there you go.

>people don't buy the midsize sedans because they're overpriced
>buy the compacts
>car company sees people are buying the compacts
>rather than making the midsize an attractive option they just give all the attention to the compact
>before you know it the compact is better than the midsize

civic in a nutshell

>turbo engine is shit
>CVT is shit
>absolute base model gets a K20
Why bother with the turbo?

>CVT is shit
Woah there m8 it's not a Ford Focus.

cvt is always shit

If you mean because of driving characteristics, that's your opinion m8.

If you mean in terms of objective reliability, then the only bad CVT you can really get is the one on the focus that shits the bed at 20k.

>fwd

what's your opinion on cvt?

>Things poorfags say

Better than a traditional auto

>CVT
>Super smooth driving
>1000 km/620 miles per tank
>Price of fuel supposed to double in north america in the next 5 years

I know what i'm buying.

The Ford Focus doesn't use a CVT you fucking retard. It uses a DCT with a ford-exclusive dry clutch system.
DCT's in general are THE best automatics there are, but they're also the most expensive to build. The best DCT on the market is the one made by Acura for the new ILX, TLX, and NSX.

Enjoy replacing your transmission every 30,000 miles.

Explain?

Nice meme

He's a moron that hasn't stayed up to date with how good Honda's CVT has gotten.

Nevermind the fact that the new Civic looks fucking retarded.

CVT transmissions operate by a belt or a chain connecting 2 pulleys. They change gear ratios by changing the sizes of the respective pulleys. They're reliable on motorcycles and mopeds, but they have trouble handling more than 100 HP.
Even Nissan Versa's and Honda Fit's will go through 3 or 4 transmissions before 100,000 miles

>drinking the kool-aid
enjoy your cult. Now go back to auditing space aliens from your body Scientologist scum.

I thought as much as a former mechanic, everything I've read looks promising. The new CVTs Honda and Toyota have are top notch. Unless you're a dumbass who wants to tow with a corolla/yaris/camry or civic/fit/accord

okay i was just testing to see how valid your posts were.
you failed, sorry :(

>Even Nissan Versa's and Honda Fit's will go through 3 or 4 transmissions before 100,000 miles
>Lying on the internet

The only replacements of CVT parts needed are because of improper use or care. There is no point financially for a company to replace major parts on small cars. And under 100000 miles is within the car warranty which means Honda would be paying for thousands of transmissions and parts. Just close the window and go to bed.

Can agree with. A friend I work with had the CVT redone on his Sentra at about 40k miles recently.

I don't like the way the new civics look, they're too similar to the accords in shape and size.

while the fuel efficiency is great I don't like the fact that they put the Honda Fit engine into the new civics then gave the new civic a turbo. This not only killed the gas mileage the Honda Fit engine can deliver it also compensated for the lack of torque and power the Honda Fit engine could never push on such a larger heavier frame. Like a dull double edged sword I guess.

I don't really like the CVT transmission. I have a 2014 Honda civic EXL with a CVT and I'm just not feeling the power behind the car. While at only like 145bhp I don't expect it to do much but the car constantly feels like its dragging ass. It has one of those "sports mode" buttons on the shift stick but thats heavily limited as it always gears unusually high instead of delivering more power and torque. They didn't make a 5-6 speed version of the new 2016 civic since you can either get an LX with standard or an EX with the CVT. Really disingenuous for a gigantic change in design

Is this a problem on a 2014-2016 honda civic though? I just bought a 2014 honda civic and no where did I ever find anyone complain about the CVT

>while the fuel efficiency is great I don't like the fact that they put the Honda Fit engine into the new civics then gave the new civic a turbo. This not only killed the gas mileage the Honda Fit engine can deliver it also compensated for the lack of torque and power the Honda Fit engine could never push on such a larger heavier frame. Like a dull double edged sword I guess.

if it was truly a problem you would have heard about it

it's like 10 shitters who treat their cars like garbage then blame it on the CVT

It means they used a smaller engine which doesn't have the power to push a much heavier car like the civic. They then have it a turbo to compensate. It's a retarded trade they should have just stayed with their original 1.8 liter engine because there was nothing wrong with it

CVT's are a problem for everyone. The only cars that have no problems with CVTs are hybrids because the drivetrains are designed in such a way as to provide the minimum amount of stress on the transmission.

Is there anything I can do about the feel of the car like it just doesn't want to accelerate? While I'm not saying the CVT is a problem it just always feels like I'm at a gearing disadvantage

That's the CVT doing its thing. If you wanted proper acceleration and throttle response, you'd have bought a manual.

I've never heard of any reliability issues with Hondas CVT

>And under 100000 miles is within the car warranty which means Honda would be paying for thousands of transmissions and parts. Just close the window and go to bed.

But isn't that exactly what is happening with the automatic Ford Focus?

They didn't make a 2014 honda civic EXL with a manual, only the Si and LX comes in manual and even then, neither of them are leather. I don't even think they made a Civic EX in automatic for that year.

The transmission usually isn't covered under warranty the same way clutches aren't usually under warranty

I mean its not me being a jackass and running the fuck out of the engine. Sometimes I see a gap in between cars when I wanna cross a simple 2 lane highway and I give it a little more gas than normal and the car just doesn't move as quickly as I'd expect. I don't want to always switch into that Sport Mode they have just to giddy up. I've started to simply not take those slightly tighter than normal gaps where I can just cut out into traffic purely because of it.

and again. The automatic Ford Focus does not use a CVT. Stop the stupidity.

You're doomed. DOOMED

DCT and CVT aside, the DCT in the ford sucks donkey dick

I didn't say anything about ford using a CVT. That's an irrelevant fact to the point being made.

that doesn't have anything to do with the conversation about Hondas and Honda's CVT's then does it?

uhh if you read the thread it does because people were comparing the CVT civic to the DCT focus.

Also, even in sport mode, I can never really get the RPM's ever high enough to touch the VTEC range. According to the owner's manual, the VTEC will kick in at about 5800rpm but the CVT never gets above 5krpm. It slowly climbs but I really have to hold the gas to the floor for a long time just to get to that 5500rpm range and by that time I'm already going like 70mph

Cuck

the only time someone compares it is this post here where it implies like its comparing a ford's transmission to a CVT, but thats the only mildly relevant one. One retard went off on CVT's and saying by extension blaming the CVT because that particular ford sucked, even though it dind't use a CVT

>Conversation police.

Fark off m8

You literally just said "... If you read the thread" which I did

>Conversation police

>>CVT is shit
i dont know why japan wants to use these meme transmissions
>belt change/rebuild every 50000 km or 30k miles
Oh thats why

Fuck em and fuck CVT they cant handle any power either.

Most ive seen is around 200kw

Isn't the belt easily replaceable like the serpentine belt?

no. It's cheaper to just replace the entire transmission.

I don't believe that, if there were any reliability issues it'd be with the wear and tear on that belt. Its two pulleys and a fucking belt, it should be way simpler than a clutch and tranny with gears. Theres way less moving parts where it should be easily to touch and fix

why does acura exist if they're making new hondas cost so fucking much?

Jesus fuck
I do apparently when CVT's shit its not jsut the belt because the rest of the parts arnt far behind but sure okay if you where really gentle on one (n/o/ way) you might get 3x belt changes
No

You've never worked on a CVT. small, yes they are. Easy to rebuild? FUCK NO. and most of them us specialised chains.

The Camry does not have a CVT. Almost all Corolla's do, the only one with a traditional automatic is the Corolla L which has a 4 speed automatic, just like the Yaris. Toyota only has a CVT in a few of their vehicles, mostly heir hybrids. Although you're right about Toyota's CVT reliability.

who knows, new Accords are really expensive and new civics like the EX-L are already topping 22k brand new. The new Si's are supposed to be at the 25k range and the new Type-R is supposed to be at the price range of over 34k.

New LX's though are still stupidly cheap.

how much do the chains cost? Cant find any aftermarket and thats usually a sign its shit technology

Acura uses a new 8 speed DCT that is simply glorious. Why they don't spread it to Honda is beyond me.

>how much do the chains cost?
And you wonder why its cheaper to just replace the transmission.
>Cant find any aftermarket and thats usually a sign its shit technology
Exactly. We've been saying all along CVTs are shit and always will be. DCTs are the way of the future but CVTs are cheaper to make.

Toyota CVT's are pretty fucking reliable so far. There still isn't a whole ton of data on them but I've never heard of them having issues, especially compared to fucking Nissan

yea thats great but the acuras were always seen as high end hondas and the way that civics and accords have been getting whats the point of the acuras beyond a different shaped frame?

>V6

But I must agree with you on this one. No one should get a 9th gen Accord i4 anymore when the fucking Honda Civic's turbo engine makes 175hp for a light vehicle.

Also, the Civic Touring costs as much as the i4 Accord EX-L.

If you were to buy an accord as of right now, you should buy a V6 or get the civic. Do NOT buy an i4 Accord.

If you must get an i4 Accord, I highly suggest you to wait for the 10th gen accord (3-4 years?) because by then, they might bring out a 2.0t that makes a minimum of 220hp.

Well, Acuras do in fact have higher quality in all parts of the cabin other than the goddamn infotainment which is the same as the Honda's.

GOD DAMN do I love the styling on the new Civic!

Post the profile view. I think it really makes the new Civic shine and I don't even like Honda.

I don't like the way the back end looks

Too blocky on the back compared to the rounded front

That car looks like shit. Looks like one of those really bad "future cars" from a movie made in 1985.

>yfw new cars look nothing like "futuristic" cars of the 1980's

Kickdown should help, otherwise there probably are Aftermarket tunes

what kickdown? CVTs don't shift between set gears. They constantly change the gear ratio. There is no kickdown.

>they thought Pontiac would still exist in 2015

Me too, man.

But dont they react to a Kickdown by keeping you at peak power? If not its fucking retarded

>Pontiacs biggest claim to fame in the last decade was the Aztek from Breaking Bad

The Accord still looks better, sounds better, and has a better interior.
All subjective, of course. But reasons nonetheless.

>superior styling

Still better than AMC.

They're phasing the Accord out you fagg/o/ts.

They phased the Civic out in Japan doing exactly the same thing with the Fit.

>yfw Japan has the Accord and Fit, but not the Civic

>>Price of fuel supposed to double in north america in the next 5 years

>I know what i'm buying.

Me too. :D

The real question is why even bother with a Crayolla or Foculus?

But more realistically...

what exactly is a "kick down?"

and costs 10k more

Honestly, if they just made the accord RWD and had the v6 as standard, with a v8 option, there would be no complaints and would be one of the best cars Honda has ever produced. If you want a 4 banger, get the civic.

>accord
>v8

this isn't the market that v8's are centered around, you want a v8 go get a challenger, mustang or some shit.

>rear wheel drive
fuck that, if they made it AWD that'd be amazing for a sedan, it'd readily compete with the impreza

>this isn't the market that v8's are centered around
Who cares if it isn't centered around it? If Honda broke into the v8 market, it would compete with mustangs and camaros. while still being known as a reliable car. Basically, make the Accord a Japanese muscle car. Change the whole image of the accord, and let the civic take over where the accord was, and the fit where the civic was. Rather than lose a whole lineup, add a new one that the american audience would eat up. (Probably though, I don't know since I'm not big on the whole "muscle" scene of things, so I'm probably wrong I would want one, but that's my opinion.)

And yeah, AWD or RWD. But keeping it as FWD is holding it back and is going to kill the line altogether.

>Who cares if it isn't centered around it?
It means their established consumer base isn't interested in v8's. People buy accords and civics for economy, quality cars with a balance around it. There isn't any demand for v8 type engines from honda, nissan, toyota or any of these makers because they aren't delving into a market they don't have an established consumer base in.

>it would compete with mustangs and comaros
they have no market in there, it'd be a huge risk for them especially to blow all the money on making a new v8 with v8 fittings and everything in between. They have established R&D into 4 and 6 cylinder engines and they know what works. They have fine tuned everything around this particular set up. They have no reason to delve into a market that they have absolutely no establishment in.

People who buy accords and civics aren't into muscle cars obviously. If they want more performance out of their honda they buy things like the Civic Si or the Type-R or the accord V6.

>FWD holding them back
hardly, FWD is an amazing option especially for things in winter where stability is concerned. RWD, v8 and all that abandons every single piece they've worked on for a market they don't even have. Honda has an easier time competing with subaru over the AWD sedan line up than they do trying to compete with ford, chevy and dodge over the RWD v8 sports car.

Also BMW in a nutshell. The 3-series has a wheelbase as long as an E39 5-series.

I guess you're right, except that people's perception and opinion can change. You act like Honda will never want to break into a new market since they are comfortable in their current market. But if you look back 30-40 years ago, they were known as the cheap econobox maker, where today, they are known as a quality car manufacturer, and even a little bit entry-level luxury (See Acura). They can change, but you're right, they probably wouldn't since it is a big risk.

And as someone who lives in florida, I don't get why everyone brings up winter concerns for why only RWD is a bad thing. Sure, AWD is better, and sure, FWD is better for getting out of snow, but you act like there is no place for RWD. I think setting up a RWD car would be easier than AWD, since they can copy the S2K, rather than copy their competitor. But again, you do have valid points.

>You act like Honda will never want to break into a new market since they are comfortable in their current market.
Oh sure they will, the same way they attempt to make the Honda Ridgeline compete with other pickup trucks and that really doesn't work.

I'm not saying honda won't branch out, I'm saying they won't build a v8 engine to put into a sedan size car to compete with other modern muscle cars. I'm saying they have an easier time competing with Subaru and Mitsubish over 4-6 cylinder AWD sedans. If the accord had the wheel base of an impreza, AWD and everything Honda could easily compete in that market because all they need to do really is redesign an accord into a subaru imprezza look alike.

>winter concerns with RWD
FF are superior for winter driving which is a big issue.

>they can copy the S2K
yea but thats Honda's only RWD car that has absolutely no business being in the snow, what other RWD cars does honda have? the NSX?

>ridgeline
whats the point of even bringing this thing back for 2017? Its literally a Honda Pilot with no hatch. How does it even compete with an F150? it doesn't! it has none of the utility with this super short bed. Its like that garbage chevy avalanche