American vehicles

itt: asspained gubment moters owners

>defending auto companies that take your tax money and give it to unions

>shitposting on Veeky Forums on a Thursday night because school hasn't started yet

b8 thread but I've seen plenty of 04-14 F150's needing upper balljoints at 30k, or fusions and Taurus needing rear brakes at 15k.

Why do you say 'assembled by union workers' like it's a bad thing?

PowerStrokes and EcoBoosts blowing up for no reason

Because people with no motive to do good work don't do good work most of the time.

autonews.com/article/20140212/OEM01/140219953/japanese-auto-workers-seek-pay-raises-amid-soaring-profits

All baiting aside I have too. But it everything to do with the design of the automobile and little to do with the actual assembly. But some clucks just want to shit all over anything American because its the cool thing to do on Veeky Forums.

I have seen a few blown up 6.7's and SHO's.

the 6.0 and 6.4 are obviously in a whole nother category.

>excellent quality and workmanship
This is what 370z owners actually believe

That's in Japan. Most of the Japanese cars sold in the states are assembled in the states. Irrelevant.

Honda isn't immune to bad blocks either
youtu.be/-Vjk4z7KLA4

I don't really see where there is a difference between union and non-union workers in that regard. I worked a non-union production job for 5 years, we had lazy people who didn't give a shit, and we had people who aren't satisfied with being .002" off when the tolerance is +/- .005". I've been working a union production job for 2 years now and it's exactly the same. We've got guys that hide and sleep for half the shift, and we've got guys that spend an extra 10 minutes making a part absolutely perfect, even though it's going to get welded in a place where nobody will ever see it and being perfect was completely unnecessary.

I actually had a good Lincoln LS V8. I put almost 100,000 trouble free miles on that car. It must have rolled off the line the Friday before Christmas or something.

>people everywhere are getting worked to death
>american companies save money by having as little QA as possible
>b-but it's actually the worker's fault you guys
uh huh

hes just butthurt that he cant do minimal work for 4x the pay of non-union positions.

At least Honda is standing behind it. Ford or GM would just try to sell you another $50k junk yard on wheels.

how does this "look bad" it's as simple as it needs to be for a sportscar you mogoloid

The difference is, non-union lazy fucks can get fired. Union lazy fucks can't get fired and they know it.

>welded in a place where nobody will ever see it and being perfect was completely unnecessary

This kind of attitude is why no one with half a brain buys american. No one takes pride in their work anymore.

union parasites are artificially driving up wages leaving no room in the budget for QA. Pressing a button that operates a lug nut installing robot is not a six figure occupation.

>people in executive positions make hundreds of times more than the average worker
>but it's actually the fault of one of the few jobs that still allows for people to support a family and live out the american dream without going full white collar
man, the revolution's going to fucking suck if it's you retards causing it

Not sure what unions you can't get fired from for being lazy, but the Class 1 railroad I work for can gather evidence, build a case and open an investigation against an employee. One guy got fired for accidentally breaking the side mirror on a buggy. Another guy who still works there tried to create a bullshit scheme and get a settlement for a 'cumulative injury' which he didn't really have caused by his work, the company fired back with a binder of cellphone records showing that he'd spent untold hours playing on his phone while at work, a huge no-no, and said 'Why don't we just call it even.'
Our company recorded over $23 Billion in revenue last year with a profit of $5 Billion. They aren't hurting for money, you'd be amazed how they throw it around.

Just because it's 'simple' doesn't it mean it looks good.

Because this is an international board we can't just appreciate mechanical things, it HAS to be country vs country everytime. Supposedly /k/ doesn't have this problem.

Or has excellent craftmanship

Unions aren't necessarily bad. It's just when you can't work without joining a union that it becomes bad. That's a monopoly on labor. Monopolies are always bad.

>Supposedly /k/ doesn't have this problem
That's.. actually a good point. I used to spend a lot of time on /k/, more than I spend on Veeky Forums now anyhow. With them you never hear terms like 'slavshit', but it's only referring to a particular genre of firearms which the majority of them, myself included, actually love and own

It's usually just the brits whining and being jealous because they all drive 1.0lt hatchbacks. There's rarely ever Americans posting brithate threads.

>Supposedly /k/ doesn't have this problem.
But it does have 9mm vs .45

Meant to say you WILL hear those terms

.40 master race

10mm is the only meme choice and we all know it.

>inb4 5.7

Veeky Forums just seems like one of those boards that every other post is a dick measuring contest. And if the post isn't one than a troll will damn well make sure the post becomes one.

FIIIIIVE SEVEEEEN
>muh 20 rounds
>muh armor piercing

The closest I have seen on /k/ usually involves which tank is the bestest.

>people in executive positions make hundreds of times more than the average worker

>I'm disappointed in myself for not finishing school, better rip on everyone who did

gtfo with your occupy faggotry.

>people who are better off from the start and have better connections end up going to better schools and getting better jobs
>but it's really just that you didn't work hard enough lol go read a book on economics retard
Boy, the next economic collapse is going to make you really confused huh?

>abandoned by the people that wanted it in the first place
DEAD END
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Truth without trips, a rare sight

>muh wound vectors
>inb4 Marisa somehow makes it to this thread

>people who are better off from the start and have better connections end up going to better schools and getting better jobs

You act like it's difficult to get good grades in high school and basically go to college for free.

>people in poor neighborhoods with two working parents who don't have a lot of time to help out and a criminally underfunded education system are definitely going to do well in high school and college idiot and if they don't they probably should've tried harder
mind you this entire thing is stupid since your what appears to be anti-welfare state opinion is something i agree with because bandaids on the mess that is capitalism solve nothing

I did shitty in high school and got my nursing license in community college for less than $4000.

I have been making over 100k since I was 24 years old. What is your next excuse?

>the mess that is capitalism
Capitalism is fine. Crony capitalism (when business and state mix) is the mess.

oh boy a single story of someone making it despite the odds! i guess i better throw away all these studies on the subject they're all retarded now thanks for opening my eyes friend

crony capitalism will always appear so long as capitalism exists and there is a state to influence, it is too beneficial to not do so
if there is no state to influence, the capitalist structure will merely take over as the role of state which is arguably even worse than the fuckhole state we're in right now

Or maybe you're just doing something wrong? Ever think of that? What job do you have right now? What kind of schooling do you have?

Wonderful conversation guys! I believe Veeky Forums has a board for it. It's called /pol/

>crony capitalism will always appear so long as capitalism exists and there is a state to influence, it is too beneficial to not do so
you've got it backwards. the only way the state can be influenced is if the state has control over the business. if the state has no control over the business there is no incentive to influence the state (see: lobbying).
if there is no state to influence, the capitalist structure will merely take over as the role of state which is arguably even worse than the fuckhole state we're in right now
it can't be called arguably worse because it's never been done. not in a communist apologist "b-but REAL communism hasn't been tried" sense but in a literal sense.

I was raised by a single mother who was always working and I got a full ride to state school. Public school curriculum is so dumbed down that parental help is not required. You have to be a special kind of stupid to not get a 4.0 at a public high school.

*Let me add the arrow and delete this post so this makes sense>crony capitalism will always appear so long as capitalism exists and there is a state to influence, it is too beneficial to not do so
you've got it backwards. the only way the state can be influenced is if the state has control over the business. if the state has no control over the business there is no incentive to influence the state (see: lobbying).
>if there is no state to influence, the capitalist structure will merely take over as the role of state which is arguably even worse than the fuckhole state we're in right now
it can't be called arguably worse because it's never been done. not in a communist apologist "b-but REAL communism hasn't been tried" sense but in a literal sense.

>falling for the college meme
toppest of kek's
>parents divorced when I was 5
>typical pissed off at the world kid
>didn't really try in school
>never did homework
>skimmed through
>worked fast food for a year after high school
>went to tech school for a year
>only $3,500, easy for even your mcdonaldiest of failures
>discovered trade skills are fucking awesome
>now make more than either of my parents ever did, $5/hr more than my dad who has a 4 year business degree

You have a blame-everyone-but-yourself shit attitude. That's a big part of your troubles.

apart from your bullshitting about your wage,

>>community college
>>nursing license

lol what is it with bottom-tier strivers who think they MADE IT BIGTIME because they pulled themselves up a short distance using tools readily available and indeed subsidized by others?

Your NURSING CERTIFICATE is going to be rendered useless with the stroke of a pen, when they tire of paying your ass all that money and just import some Mexican with a 'Degree in Health-Ology' from 'Chihuahua State Medical Doctoring Health Care School Center'.

I won't be sad either, because as much as I dislike H1B scams run by shady foreigners in collusion with crooked gov't officials, people in the healthcare field seem to be huge faggots about this subject. HAW HAW WHY CANT YOU COMPETE GLOBALLY, LAZY AMERICAN WORKER *hides behind certificate and professional association, is shit at job, takes pride in fucking off and avoiding caring for patients*

i am texan and what is a union

>falling for the trades meme
tippest toppest of keks
>parents stayed together (like good parents do)
>had angsty teenager in me but future minded
>got excellent marks at a private highschool
>got excellent marks at a private college
>graduated with a STEM-related degree
>60k in student debt
>but making 120k per year my first year at work
>projected to be manager in four years making 180k
>I'm 21 years old
Stay smallfry

anarcho capitalism would genuinely be the worst thing we could have happen and would almost certainly be a return to feudalist states in essence
if you argue that you can remove all regulation for business while avoiding anarcho capitalism, i find this very hard to believe as a state would still need to enforce some rules for business (ie not destroying the environment, respecting property rights of citizenry, not taking the law into their own hands) and should a business not need to deal with lobbying for the current set of laws they have to deal with, they will certainly try to erode those more basic laws until they have absolute control as any figure with power is given incentive to do under capitalism
the only solution is to remove the incentive to manipulate the system by overthrowing capitalism, anything else is merely a bandage at best and damaging at worst

nurses make six figures in america kiddo

RN's not community college nursing assistants

Healthcare "professionals" deserve whatever they get. Every one of them is a self important cunt because they "help people" when all they do is help drug companies make millions off of poor people with terminal conditions.

>anarcho capitalism would genuinely be the worst thing we could have happen and would almost certainly be a return to feudalist states in essence
i'm not arguing for ancap. an-anything will never work because men aren't angels as someone once said.
>if you argue that you can remove all regulation for business while avoiding anarcho capitalism, i find this very hard to believe as a state would still need to enforce some rules for business (ie not destroying the environment,
it would be illogical to destroy the source of your capital
>respecting property rights of citizenry
that's what the legal system and common law is for.
>not taking the law into their own hands
oh i see you're arguing against ancap. like i said i don't agree with ancap. there must be a government.
>and should a business not need to deal with lobbying for the current set of laws they have to deal with, they will certainly try to erode those more basic laws until they have absolute control as any figure with power is given incentive to do under capitalism
absolute control can only be attained by a monopoly. a market with few barriers to entry will never be monopolistic because low barriers to entry means everyone wants a piece of the pie and can easily get it. the more businesses there are the less concentrated power there is.

>they will certainly try to erode those more basic laws until they have absolute control as any figure with power is given incentive to do under capitalism
in addendum to my post here, it's not like power seeking doesn't exist in non-capitalistic states. it's human nature. a prime example of the antithesis of capitalism where this occurs is north korea.

Lol dumbass, I got my RN in community college. There are plenty of programs.

Maybe you should stop spending so much time on Veeky Forums? Then you wouldn't be stuck without a career.

it was nice talking with you about capitalism but i'm going to go watch some tv with my family. maybe we will discuss it further some other time. maybe even on /pol/ but i'm not going to keep my hopes up for that board.

goodbye user.

>people in poor neighborhoods with two working parents

niggers always get free rides though

>it would be illogical to destroy the source of your capital
yet you see all too many companies doing that right now, as it is logical to go for short term gains under capitalism as you will never see the longterm consequences of your actions and profit comes first
>that's what the legal system and common law is for.
like i said, the less regulation there is the more businesses can focus on eroding what's left
government is not inherently profitable for businesses to keep around, it is merely an inevitability currently and as such it is better to take advantage of the rules in place rather than removing all of them entirely since they cannot remove all rules worldwide (though they are trying to remove the more obnoxious ones via so-called free trade deals)
>a market with few barriers to entry will never be monopolistic because low barriers to entry means everyone wants a piece of the pie and can easily get it.
a business does not need government regulation to make it hard for another business to come in and steal some of their market share, marketing campaigns and information warfare is far more effective at disuading the public than any regulation
>it's human nature to seek power
not really, if all we wanted was to get the best thing for ourselves possible we would be anti-social creatures and never band together to become groups of hunter-gatherers in the first place since forming a group means far less control and power in exchange for security and ability to achieve far greater things than you can on your own
civilization and societal structure dictates how we act, not some inherent desire for backstabbing and brutality
>north korea
while it is a planned economy, it's a heavy class-focused society with the only way up being either lineage or defense of the powers that be
it's feudalism, which has more in common with capitalism than modern socialist ideals in most cases

have a good time with that, m80

the current system of support for lower class citizenry is inherently flawed because lowering standards won't magically make them more capable of handling reality in the regular world where people actually expect shit from them
saying that poor people have a shit deal doesn't mean that i support affirmative action or some other stupid bullshit like that, it just requires accepting that maybe just maybe social mobility is at an all time low and it is actually hard to make it up from the bottom

Social mobility is at an all time low because the people that would grasp the opportunity are never presented with an opportunity because they don't have dark skin and/or a vagina.

the dissolution of proper working jobs for the white middle class that existed in the 60s and 70s along with women and minorities deciding to really fight for the few remaining jobs has led to some serious problems for everyone, that is true, but the problem isn't actually the niggers and dykes
it's actually systemic

>not really, if all we wanted was to get the best thing for ourselves possible we would be anti-social creatures and never band together to become groups of hunter-gatherers in the first place since forming a group means far less control and power in exchange for security and ability to achieve far greater things than you can on your own
It's the "far greater things" part where you just disproved yourself.

You work for big orange or the shield? I'm in the brc and my roster is half full of useless mooks.

I'm with big orange, coming up on two years with them

Three years in. Terrible company. I hear you guys run a tighter ship.