AMERICAN MUSCLE

Pretty much this. People also forget that when they took lead out of gasoline you couldnt run a typical engine at the same compression as before, so there was a power loss there. Couple that with the fuel crisis and insurance costs going up meant the general public lost their need for speed.

I wish it was mine. I've always had a soft spot for the much maligned Mustang II

so just add your own lead

You are one dumb shitposter. Its a modification of the pinto chassis which has NOTHING Japanese in it.

Why did all mussle cars have hidden headlights at one point?

I never seen a hotter vehicle than a shelby cobra

Shitty Civic clone.

Of course you can do that I'm just explaining how it was a factor in the decline of muscle.

>Muh boomer muscle
i love them BUT they are soggy slow pos stock.

But hay they are 50 year old cars that have a amazing aftermarket no doubt.

Would love a 1st gen Camero and XB Falcon but its not happening :(

Cause why not? It was just the style

To bad it can't be brought back to today, all these cucks and their shitty woman cars.

It's cool.

I wish cars were still sold with T-Tops.

Anyone else think these cars are a nation icon ?

If AMC was still around i wonder if they could make another Corvette-fighter. would probably keep GM on their toes as far as the Corvette goes especially if they somehow managed to out-banged for the buck the Corvette of the modern era.

AMC needs more love.

Moostangs and Chargers are way over represented.

I agree

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Whats your guys dream car ?

Mine, a Shelby Cobra gt500

30k gets you a classic muscle car with power everything and AC where I am, just get a 15k car and put the rest into maintenance and such.

Here`s another thing I wanna know, how come muscle cars had a new trim and lineup almost every year?

My best guess is to make it look less box like

As much AS I love the styling of the older cars, and that styling just can't be replicated. The newer Mustangs, Camaros, and Challenger/Chargers are faster, more fuel efficient, more reliable, and safer than any of the their grandfathers.

To have an easy way of showing your car is new. If they were the same for 3-4 years why spend extra on a new car that looks exactly like an old one?

They did small modifications to make the car look different year to year without a complete redesign. Also they changed options year to year which changed the trim. Just like they do nowadays.

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A Camry is faster then those old cars. Bias plies and shit tier horsepower means they can't break, corner or stop worth a shit.

Well compared to a new car of course not. Troll harder. 0/10

Dodge is the only company nowadays making muscle cars.

The newest gen Challenger just screams muscle. Even the Chargers running the 5.9s and the 6.4s sound so much like a vintage muscle car.

This.

69 Mach one with the 428 cobra jet, dana 60 with 3.91s and a top loader

5.7 I mean.

True.

My uncles AMX

>These niggers posting mopars that arent plum crazy

>have the brilliant idea to offer your muscle cars with the roof covered in patterns
>make it a selection of FUCKING FLOWERS
Tell me again, what the fuck were they thinking?

Women market.

Would be killer if they made some covered in Lavenders or Cherry Blossoms.

I like the Chryslers with the accidental paisley.

>Why did they stop making Muscle in America ?
Either because you're using some personal arbitrary definition of 'muscle', or because of
>the EPA existing (also known as 'the taliban')
>the gas crisis
>fuel economy mandates
>emissions regs put in place by the epa
>they're not profitable

>shit tier horspower
>doesnt know they were massively underrated for insurance purposes
>cant concieve what hot rodding is

You have to understand back in the day, you could pick out every part, made to order. It was part of the whole marketing thing. Why not include floral vinyl?

Why the Dana 60 instead of a Ford 9"

>Why did they stop making Muscle in America ?
Fuel crisis, I believe starting in 1973.
Gas prices shot through the roof, and suddenly driving a big thirsty muscle car that got 10 miles to the gallon if you were lucky became an expensive endeavor. Later came fuel rationing due to an oil embargo (I think 74 or 75). You were only allowed to fill up on certain days of the week if your license plate ended in a certain number. This made muscle cars HIGHLY impractical so a lot of them were scrapped and sent to junkyards because people could no longer afford to keep them on the road.

This was also the time the imports came along with small fuel efficient and reliable cars with great quality. American car makers didn't take the threat seriously. And why should they have? They had dominated the American market for over half a century. They didn't realize until it was too late, already in the 1980's, what this would spell for them if they continued their ignorance.

Chrysler was the first out with quality products capable of tackling the Asians, the Dodge Omni and Plymouth Horizon, followed by the Chevrolet Citation. Ford was the last to come out wit a useful Escort.

Keep up the good fight, user.

It should be noted that it took Lee Iacocca smacking Chrysler upside the head for them to build the kcar platform. Ford, GM, and even AMC had jumped on the bandwagon of small cars with the Pinto, Vega, and Gremlin lines. At this time Chrysler was trying to sell garbage like the Aspen. This almost bankrupted them and they had to take the first of a few bailouts from the government.

Cobra, LS1 F-body, 2011+ Mustang GT, 5th Gen Camaro, used Challenger....?

related
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How is this not American Muscle?

Huge 6.4 L V8 that makes 485 hp and 475 lb-ft, gets 13 mpg on average, and is fast as fuck stock

it's also fuck ugly and doesn't look "muscle"

>not talking about the ugly shit they make today
nah man. just nah

I believe a lot of the love the classic muscle cars get is looking at them through the rose tinted glasses of nostalgia. None of the big block cars handled well and they all needed lots of TLC to keep them running tip top shape. Tune ups 3 times as often as modern cars, replacing points, carb rebuilds and/or adjustment, and adjusting valves for some of the HI Performance models. They don't have anything on modern cars when it comes to turn key and drive simplicity. I too enjoy the styling of the cars but when it comes to drum brakes, points distributors, archaic wiring, and playing with carbs, I'll take something modern thank you.

Nothing wrong with modernizing them but keeping the good characteristics.

>None of the big block cars handled well
GM's A-body cars handled alright, particularly the higher end Oldsmobiles (442 and Hurst/Olds). There's always the F-bodies, too, but then you get into arguments over whether a Firebird counts as a muscle car.

To be fair, older car TLC consists of "smack it with a wrench, adjust the carb, spend an afternoon rebuilding the engine." They might not be as reliable in the long run, but they're definitely easier to do work on due to the near total lack of electronics to govern things.

>Lavenders or Cherry Blossoms

We want the weeb market!

Looks like someones wallpaper from back then.

What was the deal with vinyl roofs anyway? Was it to give an impression that the car is a convertible?

13 mpg on average

That is nothing to brag about.

The vinyl roofs were just a styling thing. They lasted well into the nineties on some cars. I never cared for them either.

Because of ecofag emisions regulations and butthurt insurance companies.

Largely because it has brakes, airbags, comfort features, and power steering. Muscle cars are supposed to be borderline useless with gigantic engines and almost nothing else. That there is a family car.

Thats one of the problems nowadays with car manufacturers. If you want the more powerful engine you are stuck with the upper trim package with all sorts of extra added on bs that 10 years down the road will fail anyway. I miss the days were you could order your strip down Fbody with a 350 or Fox with a 302 and get manual windows/locks and cloth seats.

In the mid-70's, they had a MR project they called the AMX-3 as an experiment to take on the Italians and the Corvette... Never made production though. They couldn't afford to. You can now get kit cars that look like it though. Pic related.

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Find a pony car that needs some work. It won't be original, but who gives a fuck. OE spec aftermarket parts are cheap and plentiful.

Yea AMC was pretty spent by that time. Too bad Renault screwed them over in the 80's.

Here's a Pantera

i don't get insurance companies

can't i just tell them i wouldn't ask for any of their money, pay out of pocket, get sued, take out loans, have assets seized, and go to jail like a man?

apparently fucking not

i have to pay someone else to pay for me

fucking ridiculous

I prefer electric car
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Muscle that uses gas is SOOOOOOOOOOO dumb

>slow
Don't believe anything you see on paper, you throw modern tires on old muscle cars and they will hang with anything new these days.

I've found two good potential projects that are fairly complete and not rust buckets: a 1968 fastback mustang and a 1967 camaro. I know they are boring choices but this would be my first classic project and they both have common, easy to find parts, lots of aftermarket, and lots of easy available knowledge. I only have space and money for one and I'm having a tough time deciding. Any thoughts?

Camaro. It may not be as good looking, but it'll be a better handling car in the end. Plus, there's the aftermarket support of the Chevrolet small block V8.

It's three things actually.

>EPA Emissions control
Biggest one
>Safety ratings
Meaning they have to be fuck huge and or pigfat, see chally or charger or mustang or any other once was muscle or pony car.

And finally, but less so
>Price point and demand.

The idea behind a pony car like the original mustang was a wastish, sporty car. Even though the V8 was offered, the real sales where the V6, because it felt fast enough but most importantly was AFFORDABLE.

Modern muscle can't be affordable and be the same kind of thing, with all these emission and safety standards there, so the demand and price point for them, means most people can't get them.

Also demand dropped off cos since gas prices and the economy taking a shit, people don't have enough money to just buy things like muscle cars. People now want a cheap reliable and practical car. And that's why toyota is the biggest car company in the world.

Factory correct option. And it's stronger.

So what modern cars do you consider muscle? Or do none pass?

Dodge challenger/charger srt hellcats?
Mustang?
Camaro?
that new Ford fusion sport coming out with 600 torks?

I personally REALLY like the charger hellcat, it's so practical but so good. I saw one in person, and it's a really practical car. Trunk space, legroom, creature comforts all that stuff. Plus a lot of people there simply didn't know why it was all that cool, it was a free auto show so people who knew nothing of cars where walking around and seemed to not understand that that was the fastest four door in production. Some brown dude asked why someone brought a new car to a show surrounded by old cars.

But then put the red key in and put the right foot down and it's something that will out accelerate a tesla, and out speed most of the 'sports' cars on the road.

Anyway, i know it's pig fat, but what isn't nowadays?

Australians did it better, and in fact we are still doing it until next year when the kikes in Detroit turn Holden into Korean dogshit Goyim Motors australia, and ford sell pigfat shitboxes from america to replace aussie muscle.

I myself consider All three, Mustang, Camaro, and Challenger/Charger muscle. These are the modern equivalents so they have modern equipment. Maybe not so much the sixties cars but all the 70s cars could be equipped with power equipment and a/c. Which for the time meant they were loaded.

I beg the differ. They may have been doing it better when they were installing flagship V8s into their midsize sedans, but since then they don't have anything that holds a candle to what the Yanks are doing.
We built cars for Group A, they built them for Trans-Am.

Holden died because sales in Australia took a dive, same with Ford. You shit posters have yourselves to blame for not buying them.

>Australians did it better
TOP KEK

I was around back then. Muscle cars got crashed constantly- usually lol can't turn and then hit a phone pole or an Oak tree.

Leaded gas a big part of it. No lead meant low compression rations. Now hardened valve seats became a thing.

It wasn't like horsepower went away- I drove a 1978 Le Baron with a 340 lean-burn, and that thing would fly.

Back in my teens I had a friend whose parents had a '77 Ford Granada, and my friend- 16 at the time- drove that fucking thing like he was driving pro-rally. He got it airborne a number of times, with something like Pink Floyd playing on the 8-track. It actually had a pretty high handling limit for what it was.

>Ford Granada
My dad said that Granadas were shit

this is the most accurate answer

Not much in '77 was any good but you made with what you had.

>you'll never own a legit marauder
why even live

Yes we all know. Go shit post somewhere else

its not shitposting simply because you dont like it

people get triggered far too easy these days

its a muscle car thread. you post something that is just bait. So yea its shitposting. If you don't like muscle cars fine. Don't post in the thread than.

>Why did they stop making Muscle in America ?

answering the op isnt shitposting

>there is no need for these loud, ugly, inefficient piece of shit cars to exist

yea this isn't bait. Whatever you say. Just keep believing. And that doesn't answer the OPs question. Its a statement of an opinion. Your opinion I imagine.

I'm amazed Aussie cars even held up this long considering they have absolutely no one to sell them to other than 20 million Aussie cunts. I would've expected Detroit to throw RHD dashboards in their midsizes or fullsizes and ship them to Straya far earlier.

Ironically the few occasions when you could buy a LHD Aussie car in the US still made for a better car than America's own offerings.

More examples for my statement.

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