After Jesse Owens won the 100m sprint at the Berlin Olympics, he received a congratulatory phone call from Hitler

Hitler was only racist against gypsies and jews and such. He was all buddy buddy with asians and arabs. Nazi = hates all nonwhites is a meme. Doesnt really help that neonazis are too stupid to understand their own idol

>communist jews overthrew russia
>communist jews overthrew south america
>communist jews overthrew china and korea
>communist jews got BTFO by the germans

Maybe the hitler meme about germans being the master race was correct

it doesn't really matter anyway when that country is going to look like brazil in 50 years tho

>If there was no legitimate reason to fear jews, why were all the leaders of the Bolshevik attempt to seize control of germany jewish?

So, let me get this straight. Communist attempt to revolt against the Weimar government: Very Bad Thing that totally legitimized Jewish hate. The Freikorps and Hitler's own attempts to revolt against the Weimar government: Heroic German heroes that should have been immortalized.

Do I have that right?

>country that lost 4 years long war during which 3 years were market by gigantic food and material shortages for civilian populations experiences revolution
>killalljewsitstheirfault

On an interesting note, Russian-living jews openly collaborated with German and A-H armies, proportionally to the population German Jews were more likely to serve in the army than ethnic Germans and Bolsheviks were funded by Kaiser.

the weimar government was pretty much nothing but jews

I think it was something like greater than 65% of the german parliament at the time was jewish. while this was going on germany was an absolute shithole with insane inflation.

notice how after hitler kicked the jews out, their economy started to recover?

that's not a democracy, that's jewish rule over a mob of germans. jews statistically should not have made up more than 2% of the parliment

No.

Communists attempted to revolt against monarchial Germany at a time of war when Germany was in a huge war against France and Britain, causing Germany to have to sign a humiliating peace treaty and lose half its territory.

Hitler attempted to revolt against a decadent puppet government of corrupt beaureaucrats that was kowtowing to a surrender treaty that bankrupted and destroyed germany.

The Bavarian Free State ALSO rebelled against Weimar you fucking simpleton. Was Weimar a decadent leftist government controlled by the Jews or was that the Communists? You can't have it both ways.

>>communist jews got BTFO by the germans

uh user, I have some bad news...

I think you are getting things confused, user

Even in your little wikipedia screencap you can see Weimar was the government that opposed the Communists for the longest.

And if you think the Communists are what caused Germany to lose the war, you're out of your mind. Germany and her military was literally starving to death.

They wouldn't have lost the war without jew puppet roosevelt going into the war

If it was just purely germany vs USSR, germany would have won. the final battle was supposed to be national socialism vs communism, but because (((they))) had their way it was national soclaism vs communism and american democracy

>if you do nice things to one man you're not a racist

> he received a congratulatory phone call from Hitler.
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>Hitler supported liberation of Irish, Indian, African, Asian people from white European colonialism.
Of course he did...do you srsly still not understand what both world wars were about?

They were about attempting to topple the status quo which was the British Empire. Naturally anything that aided that was welcome.

>causing Germany to have to sign a humiliating peace treaty and lose half its territory.
Just like the treaty Prussia herself forced on France in 1871. And the one Germany forced on Lenin at Brest-Litvosk. Germany was perfectly happy with humiliating peaces when they were the ones dictating the terms.

They didn't make them pay "reparations" forever. Germany only finished paying ww1 reparations in the last decade. Once you finish a war, finish it, take the land and end it. Don't make the other side have to pay you money forever, that just makes the war go on forever.

>notice how after hitler kicked the jews out, their economy started to recover?
Actually he got a freemason to make an economic bubble for him.

It's actually kind of funny. Admiral Horthy made mention in his memoirs that the people leading the Hungarian Communist Revolution were mostly Jews, but he also made immediate note that the people who opposed them the most were also Jews.

Let talk about how many german debt were erased by the ally power, and how Weimar never truly pay it. And let finish by how French pay it without destroying all of Europe for "muh french race".
Here a Wikipedia link:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_I_reparations
And a book:
jstor.org/stable/4545835?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

>They didn't make them pay "reparations" forever.
No, because France worked itself to the bone to pay them back way ahead of schedule. The amount of reparations Prussia forced France to pay in 1871 was a greater percentage of their GDP than the amount dictated at Versailles.

>They didn't make them pay "reparations" forever
They made. Except Russia didn't pay because of civil war and France paid it back ahead of schedule.

Germans didn't pay their WW1 reparations because they didn't want to pay. Weimar Republic's economy was one of the fastest growing economies of the 20's yet they whined on international arena how they are unable to pay their reparations so they've got erased.

>Germany only finished paying ww1 reparations in the last decade.
Not reparations. Debt repayments. Reparations were effectively cancelled even before Hitler took over. And it only took them "this long" because they were not paying for a long time. In fact, even the reparations themselves were entirely payable - had Germany not actively tried weaseling their way out of them initially, including sabotaging their own economy.

>communist jews overthrew china and korea

wut

communism was a jewish created ideology

desu. national socialism was created by a guy who was once Marx's friend.

Then Marx fucked his wife.

[citation needed]
Also if it's true, Facist and /pol/ are truly the cuck of mankind.

>Germans created a branch of fascism even before proto-fascism existed
WE

>all fascism is national socialism

>When you loose, blame the jews

Stay mad, stormfag

>If it was just purely germany vs USSR, germany would have won.
Like they did at Stalingrad and Kursk?

No, germany did as well as the possibly could have against the USSR

Well no there is also the shit kind.

Hitler wasn't a racist, he targeted groups directly responsible for the downfall of Germany in WWI. He didn't believe in targeting random groups or German racial superiority.

>germany on its own
>ussr has 90% of its trucks, trains, aeroplane fuel, food, and steel given to it by america

uh huh thanks for proving him right

Uneducated?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destined_to_Witness

Deniers at finest here. All non whites, christians, jews was thrown in the oven, idiots. Hitler was with ALL europeans the biggest racists.

>haha Hitler was such a good economist, that's why he bankrupted Germany twice and real wages grew 33% while inflation grew 300% despite forced fixed prices on goods
>also haha fixed prices totally a sign of a healthy economy

I want this meme that the Nazis were good economists to die already. They didn't do shit to help the economy actually recover, they created an economic bubble that overheated the economy, then forced that on the side burner by going balls deep into a war economy which further strangled the private sector but at least kept it from collapsing by subsidizing it with reckless unaccountable military spending with money that didn't exist.

They believed Arabs and most Asians were Aryan. He even hoped Native Americans would rebel against the Americans as he though they were Aryan.

FDR in regards to blacks was the bigger racist yes, the US was in that regard more racist then Germany in general. It was also a different kind of racism, while Hitler believed in the superiority of some races and inferiority of other, the racism in American was/is more blind hatred. This was not true when it came to Jews of course, but still the difference should be noted. Hitler wasn't anti imperialist though, he was anti French and eventually anti British which is why he advocated against European imperialism, Japanese imperialism was something he never spoke out against. Germany at some point even tried to regain its colonies diplomatically, but this ended in nothing.

How do bluepillfags justify if we can trust the history we are taught when the (((establishment))) has been caught lying so many times, like the "race against racism" propaganda which Owens himself confirmed was nonsense?

Pure coincidence goy

>thread about x is derailed by /pol/ to be about MUH JEWS

You people are so goddamn tiresome. Yes the jews are the reason why you suck at life while others are succesful. We get it. Can you stfu about it now?

t. shekels greenbergstein

People from /pol/ are annoying not because of their opinions but because they are clearly uneducated.

I can't even say if this guy is serious or not.

Hitler was a racist (see Rhineland Bastards), it's just that Americans were always extremely rude.

I was with you until >muh colonialism is evil

Reminder that gas chambers werent real and Japanese camps in the US were the exact same as Jews camps in Germany, the only difference being that Germany starved at the end of the war and hundred thousands kikes died of starvation in these camps

>colonialism is good

>>ussr has 90% of its trucks, trains, aeroplane fuel, food, and steel given to it by america
Why do you lie on the internet?

0/10

Alright it wasn't intially "given" but the Americans wrote off the debt owed by the USSR after the war when the Ruskies refused to pay up

Yes, the USSR had 90% of its trucks, trains, aeroplane fuel, food, and steel given to them by the US in 1942. This is the REAL reason Army Group South was totally destroyed at Stalingrad. This is also the reason the blitzkrieg was halted for good at Kursk.

You still haven't explained why do you lie on the internet. Not only in the "given" part but also in the "90%" part.

Hitler also ended human zoos.

I mean, he wasn't such a bad guy. After all, he was just a failed liberal arts student.

because stormfags want it to look like USSR victory was simply a product of Soviet numbers and Western equipment
totally ignoring German soldiers (not butthurt generals) who respected Soviets a lot and found them superior opponents to Western allies
and totally ignoring that USSR minus occupied part was literally weaker than Axis Europe, and that there was no real challenge to Germans before 1944 in Western Europe
historically illiterate Wehraboo kids
ignore them

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_I_reparations

Two things: 1, the "historians" cited in opposition to Keyne's view of the reparations are not economists, this is amply demonstrated by their attempt to prove that Germany could pay by looking at its production figures. As any economist knows, the economy is not simply the total tonnage of production. It is very much the perceptions of the public, their animal spirits, their morale, their hopes for the present and future. That is why the federal reserve spends a huge amount of effort crafting the correct messages to send to the public, it is almost as important as the actual rates they set, if not more important.

They go on to say "The tonnage estimates prove that it was not an economic reason for Germany not to pay, but rather due to Germany's unwillingness to pay."

What a ridiculous statement. Take for example if the auto industry collapsed because no one was buying cars, because for whatever reason, they were unwilling to pay for them. You could not say that their unwillingness to pay is not an economic phenomenon, because willingness to pay is at the basis of all economic transactions. This is not a moral issue! Proof by contradiction. Q.E.D.

>how French pay it without destroying all of Europe

clausewitz.com/readings/Jacobsen-TheWarOfTheCommune14.htm

Let us set aside the fact that knowledge of economic theory was infantile in 1871 compared to 1921. Let us set aside that the goals of both wars were completely different in scale and intent.

You understandably have not read much on the Franco-Prussian war or its aftermath. The French public revolted against its government, and was ruthlessly suppressed in a violent massacre. In order to appease your enemy you must sometimes murder tens of thousands of your countrymen. You are going to say France was right? You are going to condemn Germany for not doing the same?

Not to mention he killed the most evil person of all time (Hitler)
He was a pretty good guy after all

Not a single Japanese person in America was ever discovered committing acts against the USA. Meanwhile many Germans and Italians in America were caught.

Japanese Americans were sent to Europe to be used as shock troopers in some of the bloodiest battles. In segregated units commanded by whites.

Germans and Italians were not singled out during military service, unless they could serve as a translator.

>Japanese Americans were sent to Europe to be used as shock troopers in some of the bloodiest battles.

The 44nd was a well respected unit but lets not get carried away with bullshit. Other units, such as those on the Western front in particular, fought in more difficult situations, were on the attack far more often, dealt with tougher opposition, and suffered far heavier casualties.

>Not a single Japanese person in America was ever discovered committing acts against the USA.
Demonstrably false.

Technically true. The basis for the internment was a case of two Japanese-Americans helping a pilot from...Hiryu, I think, at a remote island off Hawaii. No Japanese person on the mainland did anything like that.

>Let us set aside the fact that knowledge of economic theory was infantile in 1871 compared to 1921.
You could say the same thing about economic theory in 1921 compared to now. Germany in 1921 was much more developed and had more economic options than France in 1871. I'm extremely skeptical of the meme that reparations would reduce Germany to mass poverty.

Name all those units that suffered higher casualties, because the 442nd was pretty high up there.

It had been set aside. Do you care to actually refute the logic set forth? Your opinion is noted.

Just off the top of my head i'll give this. Give me some time and if this thread stays up i'll give cases where regiments had entire battalions virtually wiped out in single battles i have to sort through my source material. The 112 Infantry in the Hurtgen Forest. As a matter of fact the Hurtgen Forest battle was such a meatgrinder that it's two GI nicknames were "The Green Hell" and " The Death Factory.

The 141st was virtually wiped out trying to cross the Rapido (Yes i know, Italy)

Should have read...The 112 Infantry for example.

Just a tidbit...

"The 28th's lieutenants kept leading. By November 13, all the officers in the rifle companies had been killed or wounded. Overall in the Hurtgen, the 28th suffered 6,184 combat casualties, plus 738 cases of trench foot and 620 battle fatigue cases. Those figures meant that virtually every front-line soldier was a casualty. The 28th Division had essentially been wiped out."

"Between November 7 and December 3, the 4th Division lost over 7000 men, or about ten per company per day. "Replacements flowed in to compensate for the losses but the Hurtgen's voracious appetite for casualties was greater than the army's ability to provide new troops." Lieutenant Wilson recorded his company's losses at 167 percent for enlisted men. "We had started with a full company of about 162 men and had lost about 287." Sgt. Mack Morris was there with the 4th and reported: "Hurtgen had its fire-breaks, only wide enough to allow two jeeps to pass, and they were mined and interdicted by machine-gun fire. There was a mine every eight paces for three miles. Hurtgen's roads were blocked. The Germans cut roadblocks from trees. They cut them down so they interlocked as they fell. Then they mined and booby trapped them. Finally they registered their artillery on them, and the mortars, and at the sound of men clearing them, they opened fire."

It was Hitler who declared war on the USA

>goishillshecklekekles

>The 44nd was a well respected unit but lets not get carried away with bullshit.

No they weren't they were treated with disdain and contempt by the rest of the Army. It wasn't until long after the war with revisionist propaganda that painted them in a more positive light to try and promote the whole bullshit idea of the "melting pot"

The 442nd was one of numerous tragic and dark stains on Asian-American history. They set out to prove to the US that they too were Americans but they didn't achieve a fucking thing except get themselves killed for a country that forever treated them like second-class citizens.

But it literally was. Hitler declared war on the US after Japan did. He'd have preferred not being at war with the US much like he'd have preferred being on good terms with the Brits, bur had to come to terms with who were and were not his allies.

Why the hell did he declare war on the US?

pride?
treaty he signed with the japs?
was he a moron?

What? I was taught about the 442nd in contrast with internment camps, and how Japanese people fought and died for America even when they were hated and mistreated. I mean, yes, they were used for the melting pot agenda, but it was pretty clear they got shafted hard in WWII. The narrative was the same as internment camps. It was not a good thing, it was an awful thing, fucked up and things need fixing.

all 3

His ally had just bombed and declared war on the US, who were already sending a fuck load of supplies and gear to his enemies who would likely have broken without, and his navy was already fighting them in the Atlantic. They practically were at war already, and if he hadn't it was likely just a matter of time anyway. By declaring was he proved to Japan that he was with them and probably looked more like a decisive Leader by declaring war rather than wait for a cripple to do it. But that's all speculation on my part..

>they were treated with disdain and contempt by the rest of the Army

Citations. And make them good ones, not agenda pushers.

>They set out to prove to the US that they too were Americans but they didn't achieve a fucking thing except get themselves killed for a country that forever treated them like second-class citizens.

Let's see. They became glorified in US Military lore and also made the subjects of movies, books, and academic studies.

seeing rainbow dash really get me i never felt sad before i saw her now it relly sets it hw scary that is.

>notice how after hitler kicked the jews out, their economy started to recover?

Yeah, since he took enormous loans to fund gigantic public projects and fight unemployment that way.
Bubbling away the crisis so you can fight it in a couple of decades instead isn't a good move.

The trucks (less than 90%) came later, the american aid was used to conquer Germany, not to defend Russia.
Russia defended itself, while still having to keep a big army near Japan mind you.

Eh, according to Russians the aid was pretty necessary in its defense too.
I don't think people realize just how much material and materiel had arrived by 1943. Everyone loves to say oh but most of it arrived after 1943! Yeah but you're talking literally billions of dollars worth of stuff going over. A small percentage of a billion is still in the millions.

desu I don't think they actually believed that rather than claiming to for the sake of political convenience. They were pro china before they were pro japan. It was really about which country could potentially bring them the most advantage in the future.

>Germany and her military was literally starving to death.
Not since August. They were to busy getting blown the fuck up to starve anymore.

So what? Because it's a big fucking number, that means it's always essential? Fucking Mongolia produced big numbers of stuff during the war.

Well, yes. According to Russians both now and at the time, and looking at the numbers themselves, the good sent appeared to be quite crucial. Especially in regards to food shipments.
Russia lost its main food producing areas early in the war. They faced issues keeping their population fed pretty much from year 1, they faced much less issue keeping their soldiers fed because of the masses of spam sent over by the US. Really, without the US Lend Lease Russia would have faced starvation in many areas, and according to Russian commanders in the war, would have been unable to actually feed its troops. Even with all the food sent Russia was still having serious issues keeping everyone fed by the time the war ended. In many areas villages and towns were going hungry. Russia employed so many of its peoples making tanks and planes it hardly had anyone left growing crops in comparison, and had even less usable crop land anyways for much of the war.

Lend Lease was a deciding factor not because of the war materiel, but because the food and clothing and telephone lines and metal shipments allowed the Soviets to not worry as much about making all the stuff you need to wage a war in the backlines, and just worry about making tanks and planes and rifles and keeping factories going at full production. I think Lend Lease was 100% necessary in Russia winning the war, and this is because of all the Russian accounts about it I've read.

I take it you consider the people you are quoting to be stating facts at the time, since you take their quotes as facts.
Should I look up some of their other quotes, and assume you will equally treat them as facts?

Or are "the russians" only speaking truth when it suits you?

If you can find those people saying "yeah we didn't need Lend Lease" then sure. I've read both sides. The sides that tend to say LL did nothing lean on the "Literal Communist Propaganda" side of things, while the LL was necessary camp tend to be generals like Zhukov who had little love for Communist quackery. And even Stalin himself until after the war ended and he tried to paint a narrative of the Soviet Union defeating Germany entirely by itself. I see his pro claims as likely a bit of flattery to ensure the goods keep flowing in, but I find his anti LL speeches to be quite clearly propaganda aimed at discrediting the West.

You find statements agreeing with you to be factual, but statements from the same people that disagree with you to be propaganda lies?

>If you can find those people saying "yeah we didn't need Lend Lease" then sure. I've read both sides.
The problem is, people who fought the war tend to vastly overestimate the Germans. Which is reasonable when you lose 20 million people. Or even just see your own cities bombed. It's with the benefit of hindsight and digging through all sides archives that we realize yeah, Lend Lease wasn't that important. The Soviets were not going to lose the war as soon as they decided to keep fighting the Germans (and German policy ensured they would).

I find propaganda to be propaganda, as the anti Lend Lease statements contain few facts, much hyperbole, misinformation, and literal propaganda about how great the USSR is and how it's invicible armies will protect it from the capitalist dogs of the West, who did basically nothing in the Great Patriotic War, that was all us, they didn't do anything. The direct attempts to silence all references to lend lease, the censorship, the sealing of records we did not get to see until just 20 years ago, the works. I do not think all sources that say Lend Lease was unnecessary are propaganda. I think the propaganda, which makes up the vast majority of anti LL citations I've read, are propaganda.

Well no, in hindsight, more and more people, especially Russians, are beginning to think Lend Lease was vitally important. For a long time there, especially directly after the war, very few people believed Lend Lease had played a vital, or even significant role. Over the last couple decades this trend has reversed as the previously hidden away records have revealed just how much of LL were goods and materials the Russians either did not, or could not produce. Such as high octane aircraft fuel, of which 100% was from the US. Or how 25% of the medium and heavy armor at the Battle of Moscow were British tanks, and how they were used and lost at the same rate as Russian tanks. For a long time people believed Moscow was saved solely by Russians, when in fact British Lend Lease played a notable part in it.
Of course if you ask me they would have won without those British tanks, not particularly by their own merit but simply by how badly the German's position had become. Overextended, under supplied, outnumbered and freezing, I could go on.

And don't misconstrue what I'm saying here. I do not think the US was the primary force by which Germany was defeated.

At the end of the day all the tanks and trucks and processed animal meat in the world can't do anything without men to make use of them. The Russians saved Russia by their blood, their sweat, and their lives. Lend Lease was in my opinion, completely instrumental in them doing so, but it was inanimate objects when you get right down to it. As much as leftists want to claim guns kill on their own, they don't. Russians had to take these weapons and use them. Russians had to take the aluminum and nickel and craft it into a T-34. Russians had to crew these trains and trucks and distribute the fuel and food. Russians won the East, Lend Lease was just one of many tools they were given to do so.