There are still dindunuffins who believe the Eternal Hun only wanted a fair and peaceful Europe if he was left in peace

>There are still dindunuffins who believe the Eternal Hun only wanted a fair and peaceful Europe if he was left in peace

Germans were extremely butthurt after WW1
Foch knew it, which is why he made that predication upon seeing that Versailles was too lenient with Germany to prevent them from trying to get revenge a few decades later

Post-WW2 was infinitly harsher (country divided in two entities, military occupation still applied to this day...) which is why the Germans were never able to chimp out again

Was it lenient? I thought it was the opposite and they were forced to pay a huge sum and weren't allowed a real army.

>I thought it was the opposite

You were memed with the German apologist version taught at school in order to rehabilitate Germans without touching at the "muh 6 millions" WW2 evilness
Just compare Versailles with Post-WW2 peace and you'll see how lenient it was

It was extremly lenient. Germany was left with a whole state, with their factories, with their people, without any other problem. In fact, all of the war reperations (Who weren't "a huge sum", they were proper reparations for all the damages of the war) were later forgiven because of the USA.

Meanwhile France was left with Artois, Champagne, and eastern France, the place where all of their mines and agricultural fields, completly shattered, and a whole generation of young men dead. Today you can go to Verdun, and in this place that used to be one of the richest of Europe, nothing but huge bomb holes.

>they were forced to pay a huge sum
Except after few years they've paid jackshit as their government tried every trick in their hand including sabotaging their own economy to weasel out of paying it.

>It's a French thread.

Some hardcore Frenchies wanted to divide Germany into medieval fiefdoms with only agriculture allowed. So yeah, Versailles was a huge compromise.

The German public didn't understand that of course. They had their armies in Ukraine, Belgium and Serbia when the war ended, it didn't look like a total defeat to them.

>Some hardcore Frenchies wanted to divide Germany

And in the end it was the best cure to systematic German chimpouts
Americans and Soviet applied it after WW2, and it worked

Well if we take into account the damage Germany did, the post-WW2 peace was also pretty lenient because
>muh cold war

If Germany won, many ethnicities wouldn't exist. And many others would be held like slaves. Germans were neither enslaved, nor exterminated. And then 15 years later the US president proudly proclaims that he is a Berliner. That's pretty lenient.

That's true, I haven't thought about it like that. America's and Britain's refusal to finish the job and occupy Germany fucked everyone hard.

>World wars 1: Destroy germany, Nah Pierre that too harsh
>Munich treaty: Destroy germany, Muh peace Pierre
>Irak: It's bulshit, Muh pierre Surrender monkey.

Why Anglo didn't listen to the french, they seems a based people in matter of diplomacy.

Listening to fucking Frog is what got us mired in fucking Vietnam.

>Meanwhile in france
>a whole generation of young men dead.

Are you implying that the germans did not also loose a generation of young men?

The eternal Anglo needs a relatively strong Germany to keep Russia in check. But not strong enough to have it's own ambitions.

A German-Russian alliance is their worst nightmare.

Germans never paid significant war reparations in their entire history, that's why they are so rich today.

1954 : "Eh, Steven, don't go in Vietnam. I tried controlling this country and it was shit"
"Fuck off Pierre, I will not allow communists to rule !"

Man, during the siege of Dien Bien Phu, some member of Washington's administration wanted to help the french by using nuclear bombs, how can you say that they were politically saavy in this case ?

Yes tell that to yourself living in your third world shithole

This bullshit again?
Your dumb anti-commie crusade is what got you to Korea, Vietnam and Cuba
Frogs asked your help for their war in Vietnam but instead of helping them, you sat and watched them get raped
Then, a year after they had lost, you intervened yourself and failed because the Viets had grown too strong and organized during all that time you refused to intervene out of pure hatred for the French.

We churn out enough money with our economy to develope half of eastern europe, you want us rich becaause we are better at it then the butthurt french who rather light up cars and beat each other with pipes on the streets whicle subsidising their bullshit agriculture with their wealth then doing something productive.

If the Soviets were smart they would have dropped their stupid ideology right after WW2 and forced the payment of reparations + Marshall plan aid and they would have exported the living fuck out of their sweet natural resources and re-invested their huge profit into industries which mattered and consumer goods. They would also have immediately stopped giving free money to 3rd world shitholes. Also faar less nukes. Who needs all that shit? Being almost raped to death by Germany was the perfect opportunity to drop that German ideology and join the civilized nations.

Don't even need to drop the communist ideology if you are too proud. Just do it like China.

They could be extremely rich now. But again, if the Soviets were smart, they wouldn't be Soviets.