Tfw you actually talk with a real life conservative and realise why you used to be left-wing

>Honestly, I feel the same way when I talk to most liberals
>try to explain socialism and why I'm socialist and not a social democrat to people
>get called stupid for either wanting a stalinist welfare state by centrists and the right or get called stupid by people on the left for not knowing that socialism means welfare state

judging by the wording of your post, i dont think you understand what caused the 2008 bubble because guess what, we're in a bigger housing bubble right now than we were before

Actually I think the problem is that we have first past the post and a skewed congress system.

If we had proportional representation like Germany, we could have the Socialists, Libertarians, State Capitalists, and all sorts of parties in Congress.

Yet, we just get lessors of two evils now.

Thought I'd doubt congress would ever vote themselves out of office in my lifetime.

Can we abolish the electoral college too while we're at it?

To be fair, Glass Steagal was repealed under Clinton, but the Republicans put it through Congress on their watch.

Bush did nothing but to push housing for everyone through Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac.

The Banks went hog wild giving loans and the ratings agencies didn't do their job and gave shit loans AAA rating.

It was a perfect shit storm.

Really, Bush had eight years to prevent it but he did nothing but push for more house loans to people who could not afford it.

Dodd Frank isn't perfect but it prevents banks from giving out such dubious loans on such a scale.

Yes the housing market is over priced, but Banks are stingy with their loans now and require a good deal of down payment rather than before where they would give anyone a loan.

To be fair, I have my house without a down payment because of the policy, but I didn't default on my loan so it wasn't so bad.

Oh and the reason for bubble now is Chinese buying up property in well to do areas.

If you want deals go buy in Detroit.

Yes. We'd be better off with a Prime Minister.

Also if it wasn't the repeal of Glass Steagal that caused the housing bubble in 2008?

What was it?

>
>the left/right is an illusion xDDD
>you need to transcend the system and feel superior to both

Fucking please, tell me how your special snowflake politics don't fall under an established axis.

All reactionaries are paper tigers

The people making those posts are quite probably literal fascists, unironic monarchists, or nrx cuckolds who assume that a hypertraditional meritocracy will have a use for unfit betas whose only real talent is ability to recall trivia

>there are exactly two choices in any given situation
Do Americans not see the problem with this?

>a system that was originally made to difference liberals and conservatives can categorize all ideologies
It had a basis in the beginning: republicanism, laissez-faire economics on the left, protectionism, constitutional and absolute monarchism on the right. But there is no basis now, it's nothing but arbitrary name-calling with little consistency.

Hell, one of the original halves of the axis switched sides. How is that supposed to make sense?

Most Americans don't know any alternative

Playing oldschool CRPGs made me always look for a third way in decisions, because they're usually the best for everyone.

Fucking video games, conditioning me into being a dirty centrist.

I've always been politically left-leaning, but the political left isn't making it easy for me these days.

>>>/Reddit/ is this way, my euphoric gents.

#imwither

>the left hates me for being a straight white male who doesn't hate myself for being white
>the right doesn't
Hmm, I wonder who I should vote for....

>calls others reddit
>in a thread with a load of SJWs circle-jerking over Hillary

On the other hand all those bourgeois champagne liberals though.

>insecurity rules my life

>If only America was more like Germany

are you insane?

Anyone with a brain hides their socially unacceptable political beliefs. Linking others intelligence to their political beliefs is the worst ad-hom in history

>Its been proven that abortion reduces crime rates
Wew lad. Just because an economist says something doesn't make it so.

Conservatives in America aren't even true fiscal conservatives. You can't expect to balance the budget by giving huge rapid tax cuts

>most people are stupid
>I'm not most people muh lady

Tips fedora

If you're a socialist you deserve to get bullied desu

I used to be a leftist as well, not the American kind mind you, but a true Communist.

Fortunately, I kept reading and learning and I can't say I am anymore, even though I'm still critical of capitalism.

I find myself agreeing more and more with what certain people who self-identify as conservative say with age, and I don't really have an explanation for why that is, other than their propensity to cite statistics and facts to further their point of view.

People like Thomas Sowell, or Larry Elder spring to mind, even though I don't agree with them on everything either.

I'm an athiest Asian and still vote right most of the time, even if a majority of my fellow voters think I'm some slant eyed godless scum. Stop being an insecure faggot and vote for what you believe in, not what others think of you. What a fucking pussy, you should be a leftie.

Lead exposure serves as a better predictor anyway.

This. Stultorum infinitus est numerus. There are idiots everywhere, and the left I've spoken to IRL hardly seems better.
A long time ago I was a Maoist Third Worldist (an ideology that exists solely as a thought not carried through to it's logical conclusion), now I'm apolitical.

On shitty edgy liberals hate whites for being white

Socialism is race-blind, comrade

not sure if you two are actually disagreeing with that guy or this is some kind of trigger reaction

go ahead and type "I unironically believe most people are clever and reasonable" if you can do it.

>Do Americans not see the problem with this?
I see plenty of problems.

However, I'm confident having more parties with substantial footholds in politics would create more gridlock in the legislative system

I mean...even worse than it is now

So Is that why the left wants a minimum of 5 million "refugees" in Europe by the end the decade?

More like you Americans being propagandized since birth that if you actually vote for anything other than Democrat or Republican you're "wasting your vote".

realy dont understand why they want to cramp people so closely together? Are they going to nuke or release some sort of bio chemical virus in europe.

We are not the only species on this godforsaken planet

>More like you Americans being propagandized since birth that if you actually vote for anything other than Democrat or Republican you're "wasting your vote".
Gee, thank you for telling me my own beliefs

Well I didn't though, I was just explaining the general mood I'm getting from Americans' view of politics.

>I was just explaining the general mood I'm getting from Americans' view of politics.
based off what?

Based of off Americans saying that if you vote for anything other than the two parties you're wasting your vote.

Beautiful post.

>Americans saying that if you vote for anything other than the two parties you're wasting your vote.
Which Americans?

Have you had firsthand encounters with these people or are you just parroting some popular heresay?

>Socialism is race-blind, comrade
T. Zimbabwe, South Africa

>Have you had firsthand encounters with these people

Sure have. Exchange students in my country even echoed the same sentiment.

And I've seen Noam Chomsky mention how common it is, and even Dave Rubin the other day had to say to his audience in a Youtube video that he was probably going to get criticism for voting for Gary Johnson for that exact reason.

Reminder that Veeky Forums is not /pol/ with dates, and this post doesn't even have dates.

Take this shit to the board it belongs on.

>Sure have. Exchange students in my country even echoed the same sentiment.
That's remarkable as I have never heard any single person with a healthy knowledge of politics deliver that line seriously. I'm not saying I don't believe you, it just makes me wonder what sort of exchange students America has floating abroad

>And I've seen Noam Chomsky mention how common it is, and even Dave Rubin the other day had to say to his audience in a Youtube video
It's among the lowest of cliche's in American politics and unironically saying it in a civil and serious discussion is liable to get you mocked out of the spotlight

>unironically saying it in a civil and serious discussion is liable to get you mocked out of the spotlight

And yet people feel the need to say it anyway.

I mean, since there never has been a third party candidate winning the Presidential election in modern times, I'm pretty sure I'm not wrong.

Americans played too much Mass Effect

Pro-tip: The right-wing also wants immigrants

Why hasn't this thread been removed yet

It isn't even remotely Veeky Forums

>And yet people feel the need to say it anyway.
Only those have the bare minimum knowledge of U.S. politics

>I mean, since there never has been a third party candidate winning the Presidential election in modern times, I'm pretty sure I'm not wrong.
But we've already covered why that is.

Here is the long and short of it; Somebody who unironically uses the "throw your vote away" line is somebody who is likely to get sidelined in the larger picture of politics, even in the oddball chance that the whimsical third party would get elected.

That is because the politicians matter very little. What does matter are the Lobbies and PAC's (who come from all walks of life and represent all sorts interests and ideologies) who directly speak to the politicians while claiming to represent a larger group with a specific interest and try to influence them to pass their agenda

Next time you speak to such a student, ask them what they think of the financial services lobby. If they even know what the hell a lobby is, I would be blown away, much less if they know the specifics of what lobbies are concerned with what interests

>I mean, since there never has been a third party candidate winning the Presidential election in modern times, I'm pretty sure I'm not wrong.
That's because Americans have Open Primaries, FPP and zero notion of party whips the way Europe has them. So anytime someone runs for President and actually intends to win, they just highjack one of the parties, which happens routinely.

What's your point with this post exactly?

How is enunciating the problem with money in American politics an argument against what I said?

>How is enunciating the problem with money in American politics an argument against what I said?
Who ever said lobbies and PACS were exclusively owned by the rich?

>What's your point with this post exactly?
Ignorant people have Ignorant opinions

Truth be told, I've spent enough time working in (actual) politics to be able to filter out my interactions from the well read people with actual insight on topics as opposed to the "throw your vote away"-plebs so maybe I'm just a bit disconnected from the masses

>I've spent enough time working in (actual) politics to be able to filter out my interactions from the well read people with actual insight on topics as opposed to the "throw your vote away"-plebs so maybe I'm just a bit disconnected from the masses

Fair enough, but you seem to be disputing that people even have that opinion at all.

BTFO

>Fair enough, but you seem to be disputing that people even have that opinion at all.
In my line of work, NOBODY does

But again...Tunnel vision

You can't figure out how intelligent someone is all the time from just a single conversation. Some people are just spergy and socially inept. I once spoke to a boy who could barely put words together when speaking, but he wrote an essay on Tolstoy that our professor wanted to help publish.

>I once spoke to a boy who could barely put words together when speaking, but he wrote an essay on Tolstoy that our professor wanted to help publish.
I'll take savant syndrome for $500, Alex

Probably, but isn't it still especially surprising that a person who can compose such an eloquent piece of text would also have such difficulties speaking? You don't think it could just be social anxiety?

Except with evil whitey amirite comrade?

Every butthurt /pol/tard likes to spam Veeky Forums

Fannie and Freddie were very late to the game, and never held more than 2% of subprime loans. And the notion that anyone would tell them what to do is hilarious.

>Says the SJW from leftypol

t. Butthurt /pol/tard

t - nigger loving leftpol drone

>Nigger loving
t. butthurt cuck stormfag

Humanities was a mistake

>white nationalism
>bad
spotted the white guilt cuckold

Many contributing factors. But off the top of my head:

1. Repeal of Glass-Steagal coupled with a low federal interest rate for an extended period of time served to push many banks to invest in real estate assets and securities

2. The Fair Housing Act contributed to some degree, although how much is _highly_ debatable, and frankly not much fun to engage in.

3. Organic capture of the credit rating agencies and the SEC

4. Sheer complexity of the securities involved made it very difficult to determine how much risk to which an investor was exposed

5. The size and quantity of banks involved meant that a large enough loss virtually insured the US government would inject funds to prevent them from going, no matter how risky of a bet they took

stormcuck confirmed.

>I'm a cuck for not hating myself

>I don't hate myself everybody else is against me

>Fucking please, tell me how your special snowflake politics don't fall under an established axis.
Nobody's politics falls under the axis, that's the point. It's completely useless as a descriptor for political beliefs, and it only serves to fuel bullshit culture wars, which ever since the existence of the internet have become more and more annoying.

Nice empiricism you have their for your anecdotal evidence. That's probably why you are a leftist.

>You're a cuck for wanting border control
leftypol actually believes this
>You're a cuck for thinking affirmative action is bullshit
leftypol actually beleives this
>You're a cuck for beleiving that white should be able to stand up for themselves in a world of rising black supremacism
leftypol actually supports the black guy who shot a load of white cops

this is my political pentagram theory what do you think?

>implying there is anything TRADITIONAL about nrx

They're literally just confused libertarians who dream about being those evil corporate overlords from cyberpunk animus.

/leftypol/ unironically copies /pol/ memes (cuck, habbening, dindu nuffin etc) and then has the audacity to bitch about /pol/. I mean seriously their entire culture is a carbon copy of /pol/, the only neme they invented themselves is that capitalist pig.

Who could forget those native European, white-majority societies :^)

They are both cancer its just that /pol/ is far more present and obnoxious. Like you said they created this shitty memes to begin with

I don't talk to anybody about politics because what people think about social issues and policy is total bullshit and not interesting or important at all. Politics happens at a level totally beyond "regular people" and their opinions.

My point is that sending people to /pol/ while calling them cucks is like saying "Fuck Star Trek" in Klingon.

nrx?

Neoreactionary.

I see

Neoreactionaries. I still don't understand what's reactionary about them, they're modernist, technology/science worshipping materialist utilitarian retards. They're more fascist if anything.

>Only I have the right can be identerian

The capitalists should take responsibility for the destruction they inflict upon this planet. People when faced with death and poverty usually act they don't sit around waiting to die. It's normal for right wingers to deflect and blame everybody else when things turn to shit.
Want to surpass all this muh race and heritage crap? Let's fight together against poverty and capitalism not entrench ourselves within our race, nation.

>Cuck
Literally a meme created by the porn industry that /pol/ was more than happy to hijack.