One of the biggest (possible) what ifs in recent history has to be "what if the republic of china remained in power?" it could have meant a unified korea,
a possible peaceful end for vietnam,
and over all, a more free and prosperous China.
But what does /his think on the matter?
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>and over all, a more free and prosperous China.
Unlikely. The KMT was still very warlordlike. They would have likely fallen into yet another civil war within twenty years.
>it could have meant a unified korea,
>a possible peaceful end for vietnam,
>and over all, a more free and prosperous China.
Or nuclear warfare leading to worldwide civilizational collapse.
What-ifs on a massive historical scale are simply mind games, and nothing more.
true the old government had a great deal of flaws but to be honest since were working with mao zedong as the alternative i feel like modern china would be better off
Mao was out of power by 1972.
Chiang was fucking up Taiwan into the 80's.
After Mao was dead (and couldn't ruin things anymore), China was stable and modern. I doubt that a government as unstable as the KMT would have been build that stability before it all fell apart again as all the warlords fought for supremacy for almost 20 years again.
The Warlord Era was essentially WW1 armies fighting feudal wars of supremacy for like 15-20 years, and that did a LOT of damage to China. Doing it again with WW2 armies would be incredibly devastating.
China would have been like the Philippines instead. Even more dysfunctional and corrupt as fuck with multiple centers of power vying for control.
China would have become a cucked puppet of the US like Japan and South Korea.
US military bases would be all across Chinese coasts, drunken Amerifat soldiers spitting on the locals and raping underaged girls like they do in Okinawa. 70% of the population would be trapped in either sweatshop factories or sex industry like the Philippines.
More free and prosperous my arse.
>we will never see a modern balkanized China with warlords vying for power
Imagine, it would be look like the UAE. Except people are killing each other. But it'd be cool. Like horselords in Mongolia, Islamic socialist state in the northwest, Soviet proxies in the northeast, really rich states in Shanghai and Beijing, New Congo in Guangzhou, etc.
No, China had been unified for thousands of years before. The people and culture are not ethnically different enough to cause permanent balkanization. And the Mongols and Tibetans are just to insignificant in this day and age.
t. CCP zhang
KMT Taiwan has a much higher GDP per capita and HDI than China will ever have and never would have fucked up China by causing a massive population increase and eradicating it's culture and dignity.
Mao basically turned China and Chinese into a giant farm of people who turned into pigs, all without any values, morals or sense of self. He literally turned the Chinese people into pigs.
I bet if Chiang held onto power China would have a population less than 700 million and would be much more neatly organized, cleaner and the people better fed and happier. Chiang was a great leader who kept everything under control. Try fighting a three front war with the Japs, rebel warlords and the commies at the same time and winning most of the time for three decades.
Also Chiang would have started everything Deng did immediately after WWII if Mao didn't fuck up everything. In the 70s and 80s China had a GDP per capita of $200 compared to Taiwan's $3,000. China's economy would have done x10 better, much earlier too if they were still under KMT rule
Now those pigs are using technology to spread their lies and propaganda to everyone
Really, after WW2, the Americans threw Nat China under the bus.
So its really our fault that we have Communist China today.
And in other news, it's easier to maintain control over a single province with a military consolidated under you than it is to control ALL of China with an army loyal to their generals instead of you.
The KMT was just another warlord clique. Just because the CCP is bad doesn't magically make them good.
>Mao basically turned China and Chinese into a giant farm of people who turned into pigs, all without any values, morals or sense of self. He literally turned the Chinese people into pigs.
So apparently during the Korean war the US army got rekt by a bunch of pigs
Chiang didn't do retarded shit like the great leap forward or the cultiral revolution
What'd he do to fuck up Taiwan?
t. knows nothing about Taiwan.
No, he just did stuff like letting his army loot Nanjing after he retook it from the Japanese.
Would a KMT victory lead to an independent Tibet and East Turkestan, and possibly other regions?
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why won't you take a look at this chicom zhangs? KMT envisioned in China and implemented in Taiwan everything the commies could put on the table only decades later after wrecking and destroying china through the great leap backward and cultural ""revolution""
they already thought of socialist government backed enterprises and corporations, which deng clearly copied.
The KMT was more redpilled, had the identical socialist economic policies as the commies, while having sane and appropriate conservative social policies that would allow Chinese culture to thrive, instead of destroying it.
Americans supported communist china, because they wanted to wreck china. They saw a China ruled by the KMT as a threat that would put Imperial Japan to shame a thousand fold.
If China was ruled by an uncloth peasant army, the US knew it could keep Chjna undercheck
why won't you accept the fact your country was built and sponsored by american jews and american jewish money to keep you supressed and stupid?
they just supported a high school teacher and peasant from hunan without any understanding of politics or economics to run your country to the ground. and it took three decades after deng xiaoping, backed by the american govenrment under Kissinger and Nixon, to re-open textbooks and take all its ideas from the KMT, Taiwan, Imperial Japan, the Soviet Union, America. Wow, actual economic policies that come from books, research and experience. Something that the uneducated high school teacher retard peasant American Jewish puppet Mao, his hick cadre that included fake illiterate pseudo-intellectuals like Zhou Enlai completely lacked
Don't talk shit about Premiere Zhou Enlai. he litteraly did nothing wrong.
If they managed to hold together China would look more like India right now.
Like it does today?
>China
>Like Modern India
India cant move/act for shit without wading through a red tape obstacle course.
just because he did some bad stuff in wartime dosen't mean he wluld do it in peace time. besides i never said he was good bit he sure is a hell of alot bettet than Mao
Honestly yeah I respect the man although I despise commies and dearly wish the RoC had won, you can tell that during the cultural revolution he was doing his best to save as much of China as he could and keeping that piece of shit Mao from wrecking anything else.
>just because he did some bad stuff in wartime dosen't mean he wluld do it in peace time
He literally let his army sack his own fucking capital. If nothing else that kiiiinda makes him lose a bit of legitimacy.
Source? Sounds wacky.
Ah yes, Taiwan, that break-away province still famously stuck in the Warlord Era.
>Mao was out of power by 1972.
But the Cultural Revolution didn't really end until 1976, and economic liberalisation didn't start until 1978, and it took all of the 80s and 90s, with their ups and downs, to get the People's Republic to where it is now.
Ive heard of breaking the dam, charred a city, but i've never heard of nanking getting sacked
so what? are you implying China was better of under Maos rule?
t. Forever Assblasted 'Numbah Wahn'
"Who Lost China?" More like, "All we got was Formosa?"
Don't forget that Truman preemptively cock-blocked Chinese unification by moving the 7th Fleet into the Strait before the PRC intervened in the Korean War. Mao then proceeded to retaliate by blocking a unified US-proxy Korea in turn.
The Formosa Resolution ('54), which pretty much ratified Taiwan as a US protectorate, clearly showed the extent of American butthurt after the inconclusive armistice of the Korean War ('53).
As for "peaceful end for vietnam" you meant to say "peaceful recolonization of Indochina", didn't you?
Nice bait though.
The KMT was rotten to the core. The chinese civil war wasn't lost because le ebin communists but because the nationalists had gambled away all symphaties the population had for them and because they were absolute shit in actually governing their territory.