Let's talk about baby boomers. Aren't they the worst generation ever produced by the Western Civilization?

Let's talk about baby boomers. Aren't they the worst generation ever produced by the Western Civilization?

>born during times prosperity to parents who grew up during the Great Depression and fought in the WW2
>they grew up in times of plenty, when it was possible for parents to give their children unprecedented good standard of living out of even blue collar wages
>when they became adults, they immediately started to contest the very culture that fed them, experimented with drugs
>when they themselves became parents, they immediately denied their children all the indulgences they enjoyed - see the war on drugs for example
>they had few kids, which caused demographic unbalance and made the next generations to struggle to upkeep them and to pay for their retarded ideas
>when they started to gain political power (1980s onward) they pursued the policy of free trade agreements that essentially led to deindustrialization of the Western world.
>at the same time they pursued a welfare system that again benefited themselves at the expense of younger generations
>in order to maintain the high standard of living despite the deindustrialization, they started to live on debt. Debt which burden again fell on their children and grandchildren
>they are old now. Give them more money, you ungrateful fuck!

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You convince me, user. Let's gas them.

Yep, they're pretty shit.

You also forgot to mention that they melted the icecaps and set up a systems completely reliant on fossil fuels then gave us the mess to clean up.

>You also forgot to mention that they melted the icecaps and set up a systems completely reliant on fossil fuels then gave us the mess to clean up.
Meanwhile their parents made them the atomic bomb ;)

>they melted the icecaps and set up a systems completely reliant on fossil fuels

Yeah, forgot that. Probably also forgot lots of other shit they fucked up.

>Meanwhile their parents made them the atomic bomb ;)

Yeah, they protested vigorously against atomic power and succeeded in destroying the chanced to make atomic power dominant.

They brought communism to western europe again.

>hey protested vigorously against atomic power
Do you blame them? It's not like we understood or gave a fuck about the environment until recently.

Weren't they protesting against civilian atomic power just precisely for the environment's sake?

baby boomers are hedonists and their children are hedonists too, but the children whine that they cannot get as much pleasure from their puny life as their parents

If they were, then I stand corrected. Atomic power is still a high risk, high reward gamble to this day.

All people are hedonists. They problem is that Baby Boomers' hedonism was unsustainable and fucked up everything for next generations.

It's the natural consequence of prosperity. They got everything handed to them on a silver platter, but they wanted more and also pulled up the ladder during their final years. It's too typical.

At any rate, they figured that America was naturally marching towards a white-collar, service job sci-fi future and that fucked over a lot of people. They thought computers would solve problems for them, rather than allow themselves to solve problems better. And here we are in 2016 with boomer homeowners in places like Palo Alto capping housing supply to enrich themselves, while places like Detroit go completely under.

Not to omit that in my country, they're reviled for how unaesthetic and cheap the buildings they had built are (this being in the wake of WW2 where entire cities were destroyed), that they elected a socialist (Mitterand) whose policies on government spending, taxation, and welfare have been ruining the economy since then (all this because "we wanted to try out something new lol, so we elected a socialist to feel hip", and I swear that this is the answer you'll have from them all), and invited hordes of Muslim workers and their families, not even caring one bit about the consequences.

Thanks baby-boomers.

They fuck up hard.

Also it's worth mentioning that the two biggest issues of the great generation (pollution and state-sponsored bigotry) have gone totally unchecked under boomers and only got worse. The mass immigration and decolonization has defacto pushed blacks further down, while they resorted to exporting jobs (including rare earth minerals used in electronics, often mined in deplorable conditions) in order to make their lives cheaper.

50 years from now, the notion that everyone will have a steady 9-5 job (with a pension), a house and a car will seem almost dreamlike. And the idea that you'd have all your cultural socialization wrapped up into three TV channels (all your news during a 60 minute broadcast) will seem cute. Medicare and social security relegated to footnotes. The world they came from has eroded away for the generations replacing them.

Actually fairly low risk, stop listening to greedy boomer propaganda.

>invited hordes of Muslim workers and their families

Wasn't that de Gaulle?

Gen X'ers may have been degenerates, but only because the greed of the baby boomers screwed them over.

Lord knows how the millennials will turn out because of it.

>Fukishima
>Chernobyl
Then there's the issue of disposing nuclear waste,

They're pretty terrible but millenials will be as disappointing.

We have so much access to information but make memes out of it. Next generations will hate us for our self-conscious immaturity.

Both Fukishima and Chernobyl's effects are minuscule and overblown. They can't even compare to the wreckage caused by just one oil spill. And there were tons of gigantic oil spills like Exxon Valdez, Mexican Gulf.

And we are not even touching the issue of CO2 emissions and tons of other problems that fossil fuels produce.

Started there, but materialized itself as a true form of immigration when the president Giscard-d'Estaing introduced the "regroupement familial" policy, translating into the fact that migrants didn't have any more incentive to return to their countries now that their families had followed them to France.

I'm not saying Mitterand was guilty of that. He may have been a monster, but I won't attack him on this. Migration was long ingrained already in France by the time Mitterand grappled power for himself.

>2 major incidents in 60 years
>both caused by the owners being severe cretins

wew

>millenials will be as disappointing.

Millenials display traits typical for populations that don't have any meaningful perspectives. Things like short-term hedonism and lack of planning have been noticed also for example among pauperized working-class people in post-communist societies.

Millenials live in a world with least opportunities for young people ever. Even if they have jobs, these jobs would never allow them to live on the same standards as baby boomers.

I look forward to living in a Mad Max world if I don't die from a lack of insulin first.

>Then there's the issue of disposing nuclear waste
There's literally no problem with disposing it, whole world with exception of environmentalists figured it out long ago and introduced regulations to deal with it. Environmentalists are sub 80 IQ cretins so they still can't get it through their skulls though.

Environmentalists divide on two kinds: the dumb idiots who chain themselves to trees and the clever greedy cynics who send said idiots into action in order to make money of it.

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I say this as a millenial struggling and paying my own way through college: blaming baby boomers for a shit economy and society will only get us so far. With so many of us disatisfied with the economy and culture, we possess a unique opportunity to affect real and lasting change in the coming years as we begin to take the reigns of government. We should spend these important formative years bettering ourselves and crafting ourselves into better people, citizens, and leaders.

that's true of anyone anytime
All you can really do is your best.

We should spend everyday crafting ourselves into better people, citizens and leaders, and reconcile with nature.

Global power will shift to Eurasian Economic Union (EEU).

The USA and EU have given many contributions to mankind. It's time to just accept your downfall and let global power shift to the East. Hopefully, EEU will also allow for intellectual growth.

In general, I do not agree with this:
>All people are hedonists.
It is such thinking that has led to your downfall. It is rooted in a stupid logical positivist de Sadean approach to life.

Restricting "freedom" can sometimes allow for more freedom. The fact the West never took the time to understand "freedom" and "acceptance" in a more nuanced way after Baby Boomers can be one reason for your downfall. Honestly, figures like Deleuze, Ligotti, and so forth do undermine your ethos and desire for prosperity, so just step aside and accept your fate of weakening as global power shifts to EEU.

>EEU
>Eurasian(mostly Russia)
>Economic(Mostly Russian impérialisme)
>Union(Soviet 1.1)

>EEU will also allow for intellectual growth
Coruption doesn't count as intellectual growth.
Poutine please.

mother nature doesn't exist, there is nothing to reconcile with

This is the way the modern age of neoliberalism works, global economic competition in order to ensure stability of one's nation, and Russian imperialism is a lesser evil compared to US' hegemony. I mean, after all, what kind of nations supports the belligerent that that attack it (e.g., USA is still strong allies KSA, the ones who funded 9/11 hijackers, financed ISIS, spread destabilizing Wahhabism, and so forth).

It was due to Baby Boomers like William E. Simon that the USA has failed. Look up his secret deal with Saudi Arabia (KSA).

I say, give Russia a chance. Putin and Aleksandr Dugin are smarter than you think. Step down Anglo, your time of political dominance is gone.

>supports the belligerent that that attack it
supports the belligerent nation that attacked it*

>Russian imperialism is a lesser evil compared to US' hegemony

Somehow everyone runs as mad away from Russian imperialism, which is absolutely not the case with America's hegemony.

>Putin and Aleksandr Dugin are smarter than you think

Especially by tanking Russian economy.

Not even Anglo.
>Russian imperialism is a lesser evil compared to US' hegemony
Remember who build a wall in Berlin?
Remember that almost all the warsaw pact join the otan in Europe?
Remember that nobody like country that viole treaty(think Ukraine)
Russia and EEU not gonna defeat West hegemony, people remember the Soviet and they see every Russian move as aggresion. Ukraine doesn't help.

>which is absolutely not the case with America's hegemony.
This is an absolute lie. The Syrian Crisis is due to wanting to maintain American hegemony.

>Especially by tanking Russian economy.
You wish. The Russian backed Iran-Syria-Turkey pipeline will bring so much wealth into Russia, it'll be great. I doubt the USA will be able to make its Qatar-Turkey pipeline through Syria.

I somehow believe that Millenials will save the world and fix the shit that the Baby Boomers have thrown us into.

There are some remarkable parallels between Millenials and the Greatest Generation. Obviously, Millenials didn't have a world war to fight in, but just like the GG they spent their youth or early adulthood in times of economic downturn of epic proportions. They learnt life the hard way. Just look at this discussion - we (I assume we are all Millenials) know what's wrong with the world around us - lack of opportunities, low-paying jobs, deindustrialization.

>The Russian backed Iran-Syria-Turkey pipeline will bring so much wealth into Russia
I have a bad new for you user. Pipeline will not give you more wealth, corruption will take it.

>it'll be great.

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That still pales in comparison to the amount of damage American imperialism has caused. I say, give the Russians a chance. Let global power shift to them. The Shanghai Cooperation Council and BRICS have recently gotten even closer to Russia. Things are changing, yet the Anglos remain in denial as they increase their ties with their Gulf "allies". Even the cultural stability of EU and USA are going whack: your time is up, just accept the growing influence of Russia and try out a multipolar world rather than a unipolar one. Of course, that will weaken you, but isn't that ultimately a consequence of the hedonism and simple-mindedness of the Baby-Boomers, the culmination of their hypocrisy & ineptitude being reflected in Syria?

>Pipeline will not give you more wealth, corruption will take it.
In truth, it has been corruption that has defined the West since the 70s. It is time to accept the consequences of the poor geopolitical decisions of your leaders.

>In truth, it has been corruption that has defined the West since the 70s.
user, i know you want Russia STRONK, but admit it, you got more problem than the west.

Best case scenario.

Worst case scenario is that we become an extension of Gen X. Which would be pretty damn sad.

>you got more problem than the west.
You wish. The West is what has more problem than Russia at the moment. Anyone with a half a brain can tell.

ITT: lazy self-centred faggots who blame others for their problems instead of working hard to keep the prosperity going

Nah, West still wealthy when Russian Economy go to the deep, corruption still destroy large part of your nation, USA even slowy going down still the hegemon, Russia will not take it place, china could if they try really hard, but Russia have too much problem to adress.

You forgot Russia vs USA.

WE ARE NATURE

>Estonia moves a statue, Russia cripples Estonian cyber-infrastructure
>Coup in Ukraine, Russia supports rebels in the eastern half of the country
>Russia invades Georgia to defend breakaway states (Abhkazia, South Ossetia), yet simultaneously crushes popular uprising in their own territory (Chechnya)

We already know what Russian hegemony looks like, and that's if you don't count the Soviet Union as Russia (which you won't because reasons)

Yes

>Both Fukishima and Chernobyl's effects are minuscule

See the problem of Coal central, then remember that Chernobyl's effects are overblow and the zone has some part perfectly fine(even more than normal land cause there is no human activity anymore).

Chernobyl zone has actually became a nature preserve with wild animals thriving there.

the boomers in my city are very apologetic towards the younger generation and tend to acknowledge how much harder life is getting.

>"USSR is not Russia, we're not communists anymore, I swear we are democratic and Christian"
>get bootyblasted because someone kicks down a Lenin statue

Can't make this shit up

Don't forget that it was primarily their mismanaged retirement accounts that fueled the Great Recession. Then they call millennials and Gen X lazy because they can't get a job after the crash.

Millennials are making all the same mistakes the boomers did.

I honestly hope it stays that way forever. You know, as a sort of testament and reminder on the dangers of humanity's early foray into controlling the weak nuclear force.

Nature will eventually heal all wounds if we give it enough time and no interference, and we are fortunate enough to observe the healing within the span of one generation. Kind of makes humans feel insignificant, in a nice, humbling way.

This is honestly the worst thing about it for me. I'm from a well off background, going into a good profession and live in a great area. I'm part of the loathed 1% and people tend to see me as a posh, smug and aloof cunt. I will still be living at my parents' until I reach my late 20s if i want to save up to buy a property and not be a mortgage cuck. I'd be better off just becoming a neet and wait for my parents to die to inherit a nice house instead. People judge me for not having a job when each position has 12000 applicants and the job market is flooded with hypercompetent foreigners.

If it makes you feel better user, I'm working a shitty full yime minimum wage job while attending online college full time as well while living with my parents. I'm still seen as a lazy millenial purely because I live with my parents. Boomers are a bunch of cunts and their lack of perspective has ruined the mindset of the average American. Out of curiosity, what field are you failing to find openings in?

I was fine with all you said until this:

>we are fortunate enough to observe the healing within the span of one generation. Kind of makes humans feel insignificant, in a nice, humbling way.

This just reminds me why i hate nature. All human achivement, eroded by the years.
I deliberatly want to trash this planet in a big way. As a cry out in the darkness of time to the future "fuck you, we were here"

Fuck you cosmic balance and almost religious obligation to serve the planets whims. Whenever i see the news and some envoromentilist crying 'theres been irreversable damage to X' i think GOOD!

By god i want us to leave our fucking mark here regardless of if the rainforest and seas die.

Its just fear with those of you who think what im saying is crazy. fear for lives that you'll never know. Let the future damn us but ultimately if there worth being called human they'll leave this rock and just put in the history books how bad we were even though the main thing will have succeeded: We are remembered.

But user, Earth's biosphere isn't here forever. In the long run life on this rock is unsustainable due to cosmic events.

If humans somehow manage to save all those diverse lifeforms from their inevitable extinction, that would be the ultimate testament of both our power and benevolence.

The very fact the earth isnt here forever is testement to how futile 'preserving' anything here is. You could argue that preserving man made items is futile too but if you think about it, isnt having some testement to man more important in the longest run there is, the universe?

Even if we died out, the glimmer of life on our dead planet and nearby moons would give me immense satisfaction. Conquring nature we have done and we've shown immense patience for keeping even some of it.

Its like we bought the gun but are purely due to our ingrained base fears not pulling the trigger.

Another reason I want this is it would nessesitate leaving earth. we all know human beings only pull there fingers out at the eleventh hour when all hope seems lost. we're lazy like that.

The fact is it feels destined that we should throw off the shackles of only existing here, how very juvinile it seems that we fester on this one planet when we now have the knowledge of other planets to colanise.

Again, its just one thing: fear.

I suppose you could say I value humanity more than any geography. I feel its weak and selling yourself as insignificant when you think of the earth as the be all end all for us. Even if we have to repace our lungs to breath here humans carry on.

Also its not power and benevolance. Its Surviving and defying nature/reality/the universe. Thats the ultimate goal really.

In closing id say theres that infamous slogan that never the less i feel applies here:

'no gods, no masters'

to that id add: no nature.

I'm the poster who said this: I see your point, and in many ways I agree with you. However I see more value in leaving behind our intellectual legacy in the form of exploration and spreading the ideals and values of the human race.

We are already leaving behind material things that have been changed in nature through our own "artificial" interference. Things like our nuclear waste have half lives well over the span of 200,000 years which encompasses the entire history of our existence.

Another example of our ability to create near permanent object is or ability to cut gemstones such as corundum (rubies and sapphires) and diamonds which will outlast nearly anything in the universe short of them falling into stars. But at the same time I think that the idea of cutting these things into geometric sculptures and the math behind that is perhaps more valuable than the actual rock itself. It just so happens that the material we transferred our ideas onto is nearly indestructible.

I definitely believe and support the idea that mankind would and should colonize space and the planets outside our solar system.

And yet... we should also strive to protect the beauty and splendor of our home, earth. At least to remind us of which we came from. We still have more to learn and explore on our own planet, and we are a long way from interstellar travel to start justifying fucking things up permanently right now, like irreversibly irradiating out own land, or tearing holes in the atmosphere.

They were fucking shit for sure, but let's not forget their parents, who actually started half the trends you're talking about and are actually at fault for pretty much teaching baby boomers how to be utter shits.

That is beautiful to hear, fellow user.
Where do you live if I might ask?

THE YOUNG ARE POOR AND HUNGRY

THE OLD ARE FAT AND RICH

EAT THE OLD AND RICH

AGE AND CLASS WAR NOW

>They brought communism to western europe again.
Naw senpai

Millennials bringing that old time communism back.

It's flagrantly obvious to the youth that the baby boomer capitalism has failed completely.