Has Europe ever experienced a situation with outside immigration like this before...

fuck integration m8.

Patently false, many of those that join ISIS or just commit terrorist attack were born in middle class families, and were raised in a multicultural environment.

But I do agree that we need to assimilate them more

>content Muslims don't suicide bomb
Yourre. They just celebrate when one of the pissed off ones does.

No, they just aid and give refuge to the bombers. Like how Salah Abdeslam managed to hide out in Molenbeek for three months before getting caught. Muslims in Europe will never be truly European, even after their 2nd or 3rd generation they continue being fifth columns in the countries they inhabit.

>muslims wont stay muslims forever
Except that's proven as untrue. If anything second and third generation immigrants are even less assimilated than first generation ones.

And frankly Europe should not contend itself with merely enforcing US style integration where they keep most of their culture and heritage and just adapt some basic principles, no, United States is a colonial nation and as a colonial nation it does not have a base culture to force the immigrants to take but every single European country is a homeland of a European culture and immigrants MUST, by force if necessary, be compelled to adapt to their chosen country's culture completely and utterly in the process abandoning their old culture.

Why shouldn't Muslims be allowed to wear burqas or hijabs or burkinis in France? Because it is France, a nation of French culture. If they don't like it they can go wherever their culture is practiced.

the problem is that countries like France or Sweden create muslim ghettos where pretty much 100% of people are muslim.
They live in their own small version of the middle east and almost never interact with europeans

Which is partly the fault of the countries in which they live failing to integrate them.

France and Sweden create muslim ghettos? No, muslim immigrants who refuse to assimilate create these ghettos

It's the Muslims that scream and whinge about having their women's ID and passport photos taken in burqas, not the government

>let them in
>let them hate you
>provide them with the most generous wellfare in the world
>give them safe and prosperous society to grow up in and one of the best school systems in the world
>THE FRENCH JUST AREN'T DOING ENOUGH THOSE POOR MUSLIMS RIOTING EVERY TIME SOMEONE DRAWS THEIR PEDOPHILE PROPHET DESERVE TO LIVE IN MUSLIM SOCIETY

Fuck off.

The problem is those countries let them in in the first place. Even the ones who "integrate" are still tribal as fuck and act hostile to the native European population and make excuses for the ones that cause problems. They even advocate for more immigration because they think that more people that look like them make western countries better

How do you integrate children refusing to shake the hands of their women teachers because they see women as lesser because that's what their parents thought them? How do you integrate a group of people for whom even the slightest criticism is a cause of rioting, rampaging and burning flags?

You don't integrate that you throw them out.

france was a colonizing nation
it deserves every single algerian it gets

>partly the fault of the countries in which they live

In what twisted approach of morality does it become fair for someone to bomb the country they have grown up in (where tax-payers payed for their education, where the local population has consented to eating halal for the sake of the Muslims living there, etc... and the other countless shows of generosity from Europe) for not integrating them correctly?

Can Muslims ever fucking get the blame for once in their lives. It's by exempting Muslims of all responsibilities that you make them more prone to killing 'infidels' without remorse.

>this is a case of failed integration though
Then they didn't actually find western lifestyle attractive enough to become "more and more secular and liberal over time".

its not about who is to blame, its about finding the solutions.
We obiviously have no means to change the behaviour of muslim immigrants, only thing we can change is our countries immigration policy

I'm glad you believe in inherited guilt and collective guilt (something, btw, that was practiced by the nazis and banend by Nuremberg Trials).

You essentially agree that French have the right to go and enslave Maghrebis because of Barbary pirates, that Armenians have the right to genocide Turks (and that Turks don't get the right to complain or fight back) and that pretty much all of the Old War gets to go into Mongolia and rape, butcher, pillage, loot and burn.

What about Sweden? Do they deserve every Muslim they get?

No.

Algerians don't have a right to blame the entirety of their problems on the colonization of France, and then proceed to reverse that colonization by sending their workers there.

Act out what you preach Algerians. You can't forever moan about colonization from France, but then afflict them with the very same thing.

*old world

Yes, which is banning them

Yeah, the obvious solution is to ban Islam, kick out the migrants and bar them from entering.

>comparing historical events to current events

>its not about who is to blame, its about finding the solutions.

>if Muslims are at fault then it's "oh lets not look at whose to blame but to find solutions
>if Europeans were to blame then it's "oh those racist Europeans they deserve everything they get"

>not drawing lessons from history
kek how pleb can you get?

>not showing muslims as % of population

Wait, those number dont sound very large

Its just fun to see people on this board who masturbate over the western world bringing "enlightment" to the barbaric people, when they get some taste of their own medicine

In case you're too dumb to notice we're in the middle of the Second Great Migration and this time we're the Rome. History is repeating itself, all of European civilization has united but overstretched, period of crisis weakens the borders and the centuries of wealth fattened the countries and made them soft and overly naive. Barbarians are knocking at our gates and more and more they're beyond the gates in the civilized world but they're still barbarians. Common security is lowering, political power is nil among scandal and infighting and corruption and the final hour is drawing near.

If don't stop this we will be repeat the story of the Fall of Rome and Rome will burn once again.

well, sweden was an imperialistic power aswell.
Only that it opressed finns and other minorities instead of muslims

>>give them safe and prosperous society to grow up in and one of the best school systems in the world
I should contribute that, being french and having been educated here, I'm very intimate with the fact that the French education system does its utmost to invite the muslim students to feel more "involved" by teaching us of the start of Islam, teaching us about the start of the muslim calendar, the flight to Medina (conveniently ending before the Islamic jihads hah!). I fucking had to learn the tenants of fucking Islam when I'm a fucking french schoolboy supposedly learning in an atheist school system.

So you can't play the cars that those poor Muslims feel "left out and unincluded". We've done so much for them, and it's bloody time that they should reciprocate, and not continue laughing amongst themselves how many infidels are being killed each month. Yes, even amongst the moderates.

But westerners were objectively improving the barbarians' life, and barbarians are making their lives worse

so you dont think we should apply higher standards to ourselves?

how are you gonna "ban" and kick out your own citizens? Who is gonna take them?

If you're willing to throw out all sense of morality and justice out the window then sooner or later the west will as well and when west is united and pissed off the rest of the world doesn't stand a chance.

>how are you gonna "ban" and kick out your own citizens? Who is gonna take them?
Africa and the Middle-East. Whatever country they came from, if not, we can always leave them adrift close to coast.

if colonial algeria was such a paradize, how comes they waged war against french?

>your own citizens

Nice meme.

Saudi Arabia for the Sunnis, Iran for the Shias

You've missed the point. That's not an excuse for the behavior of radicalized Muslims that seek to attack their home nations.

Instead its a criticism of the countries in which they allow their citizens to be radicalized to begin with. You see that far less in the United States because in the United States, they are integrated into society and thus are more prone to adhere to american values.

Across Europe Muslims live in Muslim only communities and are generally excluded from national identity, regardless of whether they are nationals or not. As such you have a growing population of people who feel no kinship with their countrymen.

Because MUH FREEDUMBS.

Same thing Americans did, really

>so you dont think we should apply higher standards to ourselves?
I think in a fight for a survival between a barbaric brute and overly civilized dunce I would beat on the brute thousand times out of a thousand.

If we're not careful Europe will civilize itself to death.

The point is that it's the Muslims who are refusing to assimilate and bunching together in their own little lawless communities. Any attempts to assimilate them are strongly opposed by liberals

>how are you gonna "ban" and kick out your own citizens? Who is gonna take them?
Syria. Half of them say they're from there anyway and the half that aren't can go and practice Shariah there.

And you can simply legislate against Islam, deport all known Muslims and then the rest will be, at best, a broken resistance you can take your time in deporting.

25 year rule

Read the sticky, retards

>You see that far less in the United States because in the United States, they are integrated into society and thus are more prone to adhere to american values.
Haha, no. Boston marathon, Orlando, San Bernandino? These places ring any bells? The reason the US has less of it, is because it quite literally has less of these worthless migrants. The few that have lived in the US have tended to be intellectuals who were brain drained from their country of origin, but recently the US has accepted more and more refugees and economical migrants.

>muslims kill and rape and bomb European countries
>it's all Europeans' fault!

I thought liberals hated victim blaming?

>and hummanities.

Africa and Middle-East says "no thank you".
What now?

Tell them that if they won't accept them we'll just kill them.

The muslim citizens will feel the need to save their brothers in faith and will force their governments to agree

>can this be reversed

Yes. Nationalism is rising. The right cannot be stopped at this point

>Muslims apart of Europe

No. There will be a war. They will be swiftly crushed and the rest imprisoned or deported. All leftist traitor scum will be hung right next to these invaders

>Instead its a criticism of the countries in which they allow their citizens to be radicalized to begin with.
In France, one of our policies for working towards those aims was to ban the burqini, which arguably is one the relics of radical Islam that should not be kept alive in Europe, but since then, we've been pummeled by criticisms from idiotic Americans who know nothing about the context, and hammer it into us that we have betrayed our values of "liberté, égalité, fraternité" without understanding that we're doing this to preserve them.

So of course there are ways to strangle radicalization, but sometimes it's at the cost of engendering more radicalization (there have been some anonymous threats since the burqini ban from Muslims who have radicalized over this) and costing you your international reputation.

It's honestly not fun at all man :c.

I'm Canadian and there's basically no way to have no interaction with mainstream society and not be gimped. This is compared to Europe or western immigrants in the developing world where immigrants can either deliberately or not have no contact with the wider society.

so you want Europe to turn into 4th Reich?

And your plan actually relies on muslims showing more empathy than Europeans?

>Africa and Middle-East says "no thank you".
Their sovereignty is a meme anwyay. Europe won't be able to allow itself in the near future to have a belt of hostile countries around itself, especially not once the hundreds of millions become refugees fleeing climate change.

The humanities addition was a huge assistance mistake though.

Compare that with school shootings and the shoot outs though.

Fuck the Americans France is a non colonial country of French culture. You have the right and duty to preserve French culture in your own borders. That's the only excuse anyone needs to ban anything hostile to the native culture, as far as I'm concerned.

What humanity are you discussing here? You're pretty much talking about current events at this point

Well, I never said niggers aren't a bigger issue than Muslims, though the former tend to just shoot eachother.

Banning burkas is a token gesture that doesn't mean shit in the long run.

>There will be a war.
If there is to be one, it might amount to one of the saddest.

The youth has basically been raised in this environment, and would betray their own to side with Muslims and protect the multiculturalism ideals they've been spooned from birth. This might be a war of parents versus their children. The results from the Brexit referendum show just that.

>No. There will be a war
That seems more and more likely at this point. There are two possible ways for it to start: either the French and other European nationalists start attacking Muslims, mosques, Muslim neighborhoods and such and Muslims retaliate and then the civil war starts OR Europeans elect far right who create anti Muslim legislation that causes Muslims to lash out and start attacking Europeans en masse and the war starts.

Is political science a humanity?
Is immigration policy a subset of politics?

I was the general Americans comparison not just only Blacks.

Those three incidents are still far less than what's occured across Europe. France alone has had more than that in less than a years time.

And in most cases migrants weren't the ones orchestrating or executing the attacks, they were in fact nationals who radicalized at home or traveled to the middle east and came back. Banning migrants isn't going to do anything but feed resentment and radicalize more nationals. Well done recruiting for the opposition.

Wow it's pretty /pol/ in here.
I hope our glorious chink overlord nukes this disgusting board

>I was the general Americans comparison not just only Blacks.
Are you having a stroke, user?

Both are Trojan horses to bring in shitty threads and posters just like religion topics mostly do on Veeky Forums.

Sure, seeing as they refuse to assimilate.

Yes, if there's one thing Muslims do well is that the majority of them are loyal to their religion and their co-religionists

>If there is to be one, it might amount to one of the saddest.
Don't forget about Eastern Europe, pretty much all of Eastern Europe hates Muslims and commies and that includes the youth. It's only the western youth who got accepted the multicult meme.

youtube.com/watch?v=pDHvwz0jRuw

Nah, if anything, studies show that the millenials are more right wing than their post WWII brainwashed parents and grandparents

East Europe is mostly shit though.

>IF YOU BAN THEM, THEY WIN

They can't do shit if they're not in our country

What's honestly depressing it that it seems that not even our politicians seem to think ourselves worth of preserving our sovereignty and borders, and would rather sidestep this issue which might endanger their reputation and etch them a reputation as a racist, so all they say is that the french Muslims are all our allies, and that we now "have to learn to live with terrorism".

We didn't ask for this!

>either the french
Might be us. Look at what has transpired in Corsica when the Muslims there pushed the Corsicans to their limit this summer.

Now imagine this on a national-scale.

then you are a nazi.
our ideologies are so different that ther is no sense in continuing this discussion

I'd generally agree with that. /pol/ is one of biggest boards on Veeky Forums and /pol/ is about as far right as it's possible to be, not everyone that doesn't like Muslims/mass immigration is going to be that far right.

And I'm pretty sure that /pol/ isn't inhabited by like 50 year old hillbillies in rural America but mostly by 15 to 30 year old millennials. And it's a board that has millions of unique visitors every day.

Cringe

>East Europe is mostly shit though.
So? in the event of a war having ~500,000 crazy ass Eastern European right wingers to fight against Muslims would be extremely useful to downright decisive.

Call me what you will, it makes no matter so long as the Muslims are gone

Why does /pol/ act like every thing they don't like is new and never happened before?

This

But the point of several people here is that this is blatantly a repeat of the Great Migration and that European leaders are too dumb and short sighted to see it.

>people not sucking muslim cock
>FUCKING /pol/ BAN THIS FILTH
If you want censorship, feel free to go to reddit

I think the end result will be that Europe will become more colorful and multicultural, kinda like USA

It will become more multicultural but significantly less safe and significantly less European. But the thing is there is only one Europe and if that Europe disappears it will be gone forever. Each European country is simultaneously the origin and the last bastion of that European culture.

well, nothing lasts forever, countries dissapear all the time.
And the people we now call "Europeans" were also once migrants from the east, so we should be more welcoming to the more recent migrants

Terrible bait.

Dude chill did mommy not decorate your meds with a nazi swastika so you refused to take them or what

This.

>well, nothing lasts forever, countries dissapear all the time.
It doesn't have to last forever but just because you will die in the future doesn't mean you have to give up today.

Europe will last for as long as Europeans are willing to fight for it. If Europeans are willing to betray Europe for false comfort and multicultural propaganda then the Europe was already dead to begin with.