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Thinking about getting a Jeep Renegade for decent mpg. Is the 4x4 non-Trailhawk going to be good enough for off road or is the Trailhawk worth the extra dough?

heep junk loves?

Trailhawk has loads of goodies for gentle off roading, went out one time with a guy that had one and it held its own somewhat. Approach angle sucks though.

were nice to everyone here.
(toyota master race though obviously)

sure friend.
square headlights are best wrangler

keep in mind its essentially a crossover.
however if you just plan on using dirt roads and calling it off roading it will be perfect.

*tips fedora*

pls no turn a nice off road thread into a ford/chevy debate. we're better than this, Veeky Forums
btw, manuals can't offroad. only automagics otherwise you get clutch burning and your dick falls off.

If you're abusing it that hard off roading, why don't you invest in a lift and some wider tyres?
Also, I've never noticed this until now. But what do the guard rails on the side of the bed do? What is the benefit opposed to the classical ones that go all the way to the roof so it protects when rollover and you can put ladders and shite on them?

Also, you might want to change the differential fluid and transmission. They're known (as opposed to Jeeps and Porsche off roaders) to have less efficient seals and therefore can get water in them more frequent than naught, unfortunately.

Classically, Chrysler and Jeeps have the new stereotype of being overly complicated and having random computer and mechanical issues breaking down in their first 25 000km. This is true to some extent because their quality control and testing have slacked since the auto collapse.
This is not true of anything before 2004, though. The stereotype just carries over. Also, the Wranglers have now all been reduced to a mall crawler costing upwards of $40 000. I haven't seen an Unlimited with a winch since August and I pass by TJs/ YJs with winches every other day.

Your car is beautiful.

Where is that butte?

Thanks, it's only the little 2.5l 4cyl, but it chugs right along.

Got my bar hooked up. Roast my lights, /org/

Lexus embarrasses jeep reporting in

it's just for tying shit down. And resale value for Mexicans

GX reporting in

Yes but it also costs more and unless you upgrade the bumper, you'll lose it every once in a while.
Although Jeeps are not the best off roaders, they are certainly the cheapest and most customisable with prolific after-market parts.
Also, the feeling of driving with no doors and no roof on the highway is a huge upside, too.

Personally, I'd love to have a mildly lifted, sanded wheelwell Cayenne with a winch bumper and side rails to off road.

>btw, manuals can't offroad. only automagics otherwise you get clutch burning and your dick falls off.
I trust that's a facetious Veeky Forums related comment and you don't actually believe that tripe.
>unless you upgrade the bumper, you'll lose it every once in a while
That's a completely superficial and simple upgrade that every offroader could and should benefit from regardless. You shouldn't go paying too much attention to angles drawn on some paper in regards to factory clearance angles as they don't tell much of the story.

How would you burn the clutch while offroading?

Lots of people fry the clutch off road, especially in soft sand. Either because the clutch is on the way out or they have made power increases that the clutch can't handle and prolonged slip under load happens.

Or they are a numpty that slips the clutch to prevent bogging down, instead of going down a cog. It's usually this cause.

Here's my shit.

I said "don't turn this into a chevy/ford classic Veeky Forums debate" and then made a tongue in cheek statement bashing manuals (and or automatics) right afterwards as that is a frequent Veeky Forums debate.
I thought people would get that and find it funny ):

However, the bumper issue is pretty damn superficial however, it won't look good at all given Lexus's bodywork. Though, I live in the Canadian shield off roading territory so I see many more rocks and steep drops than most places in the world.
a lift kit is still your friend when it comes to bumpers.

Otay. this part was kinda true. you don't get much of a wear and tear unless you're offroading to get to work daily. but a common thing to get out of a rut is to rev it up to an incredibly amount in order to gain enough traction to pull yourself up and control speed.
I've gotten better with experience with keeping it below 3000 then below 2000 when trailing but no matter how hard i try (or my friends try), the clutch burn smell still happens after mudding / carefully rock-climbing 5+ kilometres.

It hasn't really been shown to wear the clutch down compared to normal use, though. And 4WD - Low is your friend.

[spoiler] sorry for shitposting :T

fug, these look sharp without running boards.

Mainly due to incompetence. There's some people who claim to be able to drive manual transmission, but they sure as hell don't know how to operate one.

Manual is ideal for off-roading. Need to have low gears to make it easier on the clutch. I prefer manual to auto since I've had both. Manual is far superior. What the fuck do I know, only been wheeling 26 years

Glacier National Park.

>minimum 42 years of existence
what are you doing on this side of the internet and how did you discover

that light bar seems really far back

Like I said, I presumed your manual/auto comment was facetious.
In regards to the bar work, there's plenty of aftermarket companies such as ARB and TJM that make high quality premium bars that look right at home on the Lexus Lanscruiser.
Amen. Can't beat that direct drive in my opinion. Being able to directly control vehicle speed with throttle application is more important to me than torque multiplication slipping from a standstill.

I have a guy 35 minute drive away from me that does custom fabrication on bumpers, skids, side skirts, etc. He's really helpful since he's a welder / moulder that specialises in auto parts specifically for offroading. He's where I got the idea to get a porsche cayenne off roader once i become a hundred thousandaire. the off road bumper would only be $2000 to make for the Cayenne as opposed to their regular Porsche bumpers that cost around $4000 to replace, lol.

I've never seen ARB and TJM, though. What else is worth looking into them? I like to webshoppe in my spare time at work - would never get anything online anymore but it's nice to daydream.
Also, fair point. I guess a bullbar would adequately protect any vehicle's bumper 99% of the time anyway. A bit too much translucent plastic on the front but that's just my taste (as long as it doesn't have LED lights, we're gucci, muh nucci).

It greatly helps that manuals have their rpm ranges shifted down compared to automatics.
Back with my aut(ism)omagic, i had to just shift it into drive slowly in order to get it winched out of hotspots. that was really annoying since there was no midpoint torque region like you can use with a manual.

Congrats on stretching your jeep phase for 26 years. Here's to never giving into a vangina.

>I've never seen ARB and TJM, though. What else is worth looking into them?
Really?! They're (ARB in particular) the absolute best in the business when it comes to off the shelf vehicle protective bar work and both work towards location specific registration approval compliance (they usually have build tags fitted).
Both companies have their own respective air operated difflock line as well, although I think if I was to go the ARB airlocker route again, I'd fashion my own air lines up out of steel brake lines instead of the flexy nylon hose crap they use (anyone who's had airlockers will know what I'm talking about).
Both companies recovery gear is also top notch.

Also
>A bit too much translucent plastic on the front but that's just my taste
They each have a range of bars from basic commercial purposes to deluxe polished aluminium bars.

Off road you say??

Here is my Offroader. But i mostly use it as a Workhorse in the woods.

My Holley carb has no air idle screws currently but by golly the (off) road is calling

I've been doing offroad all my life.
Through lakes covered with thin layers of moss and bottom filled with 10m of quicksand-like mud.

Through mudpools 1-2m thick covered by a layer of ice

Through deserts through tundras through boggy forests

And now once I got a decent car I've realized that I've always wanted to go fast onna road

>posted in yuroop hours
where you at, hombre?

Hi, I'm from Germany.

s-10, nothing special, but gets the job done

>btw, manuals can't offroad. only automagics otherwise you get clutch burning and your dick falls off.
you know what that second shifter is for, right?

>And now once I got a decent car I've realized that I've always wanted to go fast onna road

>that feel when you want both but insurance and registration is fucking expensive

>projecting light directly onto the roof of your vehicle

maybe if youre a rock crawling redneck
for exploration/overlanding purposes auto is undoubtedly better

XJ reporting in.

. . . & XJ's girlfriend reporting in too.

Low-range saves lives. People are getting more and more into putting dual-transfers in their offroaders here, and I gotta say that I'm really impressed by how much it increases the potential of the vehicle

Buddy of mine who owned this Hilux now has the gearbox of it in a LJ73 LandCruiser, and he told me that he didn't use the clutch a single when trying to climb or drag his way out of anything the last time he went seriously offroading

This is the car going without a driver, and with the idle turned up very slightly

youtube.com/watch?v=HKPIJCvNghs&list=FLqoupciJyXQJ398J3SRYSxA&index=16

beautiful

youtube.com/watch?v=uMvCChImPPQ
This is a great example of how low double transfer cases is, this guy literally dumps the clutch and get out of the car.

I have it mounted to my roof basket
The cutoff is right were my low beams are so I figured it wasn't so bad. I'd rather have that than a huge glare off of my hood (which my ditch lights do a little anyways)

t.guy who asks to get roasted and now tries to justify himself like an idiot

The cutoff you'll get from having it that far back is not really ever in the way, as the stock headlights should be able to illuminate that area fine

Do you have any issues with reflections of the mirrors? I have chrome housing for my mirrors, and I'm planning on just plastidipping them matte black to prevent the small reflection I get from mine

The mirrors for late 1st gen Tacomas are already matte black so I don't have much of a problem.

I do get a bit of the light bar peeking into the driver-side mirror though, so I'll usually adjust so it's aimed at the ground when I'm off-roading

Looks like they could be the same mirrors even

How big is your bar/what setup/power/what did you pay?

30" LED bar, got it on Amazon for $50 but it leaked when I washed the truck so I had to pull it apart, dry it out, and reseal it. It only draws like 3.2A for 180 Watts output which is cool because I have a shit ton of 6A switches lying around

Ah shit

I've got this;
ebay.com/itm/262640366580

52", 500w, combo. I paid 55$ for the thing itself a few weeks back, and now its nearly $270.... what the fuck

I paid a total of $116 for the bar, shipping to Norway from Ohio, and the 25% toll fee in Norway... fucking amazing for the price

No leaks, has a breather valve and I've made sure its all properly tightened and water proof

>Road Ranger
>On a Toyota

... I don't follow?

Damn dude that's a big-ass bar, and $116 for that size, and shipped to Norway on top of that is a fucking steal

I was thinking of a 50" roof-mounted but I had a hard time finding brackets that didn't cost more than the bar itself. Instead I got the basket for $100 and now I can mount a shit ton of lights to that instead (which I plan to do in the near future)

I lucked out with the top already having a couple of solid brackets mounted on it. I talked to the guy who owned the car that the top sat on before my buddy bought the car + top from him, and apparently he had work lights on them before

Grabbed a piece of solid 90 degree-angled steel from my neighbor, cut it, drilled holes and bent the brackets on the top to get it perfectly level.

Nice. Looks pretty solid

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Do you run "summer"-MT's during winter?

>1 millimeter of uptravel

>manuals can't off road

But off roading is super comfy with my np435l granny 4 speed

Next mod;
craneaxle.com/crane-gm-13-bolt-differential-cover.html

Gets me another inch under the pumpkin.

I've only snagged it once. My tire width vs the jeep track meant I only had one line I could take. Had to stack some rocks to get it to clear.

What a shitty light setup.

I think you should be concentrating on making your vehicle functional as opposed to decorating it with redundant accessories.

>Functional
Driving it to my new place tomorrow.
What part isn't functional other than the Hella 4000s that are waiting on HIDs?

>What part isn't functional other than the Hella 4000s that are waiting on HIDs?
You mean you've finally managed to get drive to the front end after the last 6 years of shit posting about solid axle swaps?

>hilux
>wanting to roll like a jeep if you turn too hard

wewlad toyota really dropped the ball on that one

literally only a problem if you rely on computer controlled stability management when you drive.
Do you lack the mental capacity to operate your own 4x4 without assistance?

>Get drive to the front end
Issue hasn't been with 4x4, it's been with exhaust and lack of time to work on it.
No one local wanted to patch up the factory exhaust to clearance the spring hangers so I bought a welder and long tubes and built my own exhaust.

I've got a stock Suzuki Samurai and an FJ60 that doesn't run.

i do until i change them later today, and lemme tell ya, these things are SLIPPPPPPERY

there is plenty of uptravel inside the fenders

Yeah, low Range is essential for offroading. Couldn't imagine without. Luckily I have 16 gears forward and 8 gears backward. Plus 6 super slow gears forward and 3 backwards.

>watch a youtube video and now that's the only thing on your mind when you see a vehicle
definition of a meme argument
you're probably an argument who hasn't even driven a Hilux before, Americans are notoriously butthurt that Hilux isn't available in their country

Tell me about it - several of our cars at work run unmodified BFG AT's all year. You can imagine what its like driving a beat 95 Hilux on such tires around the mountain roads here

I thought we'd call these threads "2hi4lo" from now on.

Also, d e f e n d e r. I see thi thing dribing all the time but finally caught it at home

absolutely beautiful
what year is it?
goddammit toyota give us this truck

>2hi4lo
this isnt instagram you fucking faggot

that's a series 2 not a defender you absolute novice

If memory serves me right; 2008

Arctic Truck 37" conversion.The conversion itself alone is a good $24 000 or something

20mm body lift, 40mm suspension lift, modified arches, special shocks, gearing of the axles changed, speedometer calibration and much more, and its all sitting on 37x12.5R17 tires, AND its even all approved by the nazi-esque DMV we have here

Its a "lesser" version of the Hilux Clarkson and May drove to the north pole

>buying an automatic ever
>off roading an automatic

That's not a Defender, idiot. Learn the difference.

I keep seeing these German tanks my history teacher taught me about. I'm glad I caught a colourised world war ii Panzer in real life today. I had to take a picture of it.
Oi it counts as off roading, m8.

yeah fuck that shit man, studs and siping is mandatory on these tires

Thank you, i love the truck sooo much!

Yup, 2008!

I've got this and a Subaru Crosstrek, but I'm not convinced that that's off-road material.

But here it is just the same. Great little car, but I'd never take it more than two-trackin'.

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If I want to lift a panther just by using taller/stiffer springs, what's the highest I can get without having to replace other suspension components? And would I need new shocks too or would they just extend to the length automatically? I know at some point you need to add longer control arms to avoid fucking up your suspension geometry and making the car an uncontrollable piece of shit.

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