Mazda Engine Output

What is Mazda's most powerful NA engine? The Renesis?

HP/l is a fucking stupid metric. That's what I'm saying

So post 2012 with no rotary

Why is their 2 liter engine only making 155hp

While the GT86 is making 200hp???

because displacement isn't the only thing that determines a car's power

for example those Corvettes have hundreds of hundreds of HP yet aren't fast at all

or those gigantic v8's that barely make 300hp

Among Japanese car makers, it's the standard

Honda, Toyota, Nissan, Mitsubishi, and Subaru

Have all made 2.0 liter engines with 200HP+ while Mazda has not

Power:Weight is a superior metric for determining a car's performance

theres a reason why the nissan GTR beats a corvette in a race, the GTR has hundreds of HP less than the corvette

why does honda insist on only putting cvts on the lot?

because efficiency

That still doesn't explain why Mazda can't make an engine with 10 hp per 0.1 liter like all the other Japanese makers

Why can't they do it?

but its not as effecient as rated. cvts have mpg drops after 3k miles

because HP/L isn't a good metric to determine if an engine is good or not.

Mazda could make up for that by putting a turbo in it or changing up their torque in some way or having a good intake. They could do a number of things to bring the HP up a lot

Mazda has never made a good NA engine that wasn't a rotary, never

So?

>because HP/L isn't a good metric to determine if an engine is good or not.

It is for an na 4 cylinder

>So?

So why are their piston engines such garbage compared to their counterparts?

Theres still a whole number of things that can increase the power of a car

displacement and power:displacement are not good metrics for it

Even if its naturally aspirated, theres still tons of other stuff

Not saying that Mazda's new engine isn't shit I'm just saying from a mechanical standpoint there are tons of ways that you can improve performance

>Mazda has literally never made a decent 4 cylinder NA engine
>b-bad metrics, it's just different

No. NA Mazda piston engines have always been historically down on performance and never matched the technology/performance of all the other Japanese piston engines.

The question again is why?

I wasn't contesting whether or not the engine is shit

I'm saying there are other metrics to measure an engine's performance and HP isn't all that which I already made an example of that with the corvette vs GTR where the corvette has WAY more horse power but the GTR is faster regardless.

Its not unheard of for lower power cars to actually be faster than a higher horse power car

HP doesn't mean shit if you can't translate that to the road, if you don't have torque or good aerodynamics or a good suspension. If you don't have simple things like this the car won't be fast regardless of how much you put into the car's power.

are you counting turbocharged engines?
mazdaspeed 3 makes 260hp out of a 2.5L

the 2.0 in the NC and ND miats can both be NA tuned to 200 hp. they should offer it as a factory option desu

>are you counting turbocharged engines?
no
What is the point of this reply

The only thing being discussed here is NA Japanese engines

>3SGE (Toyota)
>B18 (Honda)
>4G92 (Mitsubishi)
>SR16VE (Nissan)
>FA20D (Subaru)

Where is Mazda?

>can't make an engine with 10 hp per 0.1 liter
100hp/l? theyve made numerous engines over 100hp/l
their current line up of skyativ engines arent about big peak numbers. they are about broad power delivery. thats why the nd mx5 accelerates as fast as cars with over 200hp.

>theyve made numerous engines over 100hp/l

NA piston engines?
never

>all those engines power cars that are slower than a 155hp miata

changing goal posts to na, lol. na engines are shite anyways

but you want mazda na piston engines with over 100hp/l? like all their na wankels

>shitpost

Mazda has never made a high performance NA piston engine.
>changing goal posts
I'm op. Those were the original goals, engine output to displacement.

doesnt say anything about aspiration in OP

>Is Mazda incapable of making a 200hp 2.0 liter or 160hp 1.6 liter engine?

Stock the ND is slower than all of those cars user

Japs can't make engines for shit.

They are literally shit without mods and need to be rebuilt almost every month if they're outputting high numbers. This is a fact.

DIESEL
FIAT
PUNTO

155hp for 2 liter ain't bad
it's just not sporty

>more technology in one engine than all the rice engines together
lmao

>and need to be rebuilt almost every month if they're outputting high numbers

Are these lies what you tell yourself before you go to sleep at night?
On a Japanese sports car

It's unacceptable.

Only reason it exists is for fuel economy.

>muh 2jayzee
>muh rb26dett
>do 5 pulls
>needs to be rebuilt

A FUCKING PUNTO LOL

>what is high power NA 4 cylinder

bulletproof

>being this mad a fucking punto has more technology than all the rice burners together
Can't make this ship up. kek

>needs to be rebuilt

Stock these engines are extremely reliable. That only happens when you modify them.

And stock they're absolute shit compared to their european counterparts.

>this is the average yuroopoor """""car enthusiast""""

A FUCKING PUNTO

Nissan also made a 203hp SR20VE in 2003

>calls himself a """car enthusiast"""
>owns japanese
lmaoing atm pham

>literally an engine block with 20 years
SO INNOVATIVE!

>hp/l
kek
the only relevant metric is power to weight

I've owned 6 mazdas in my life. The answer is simple:

>They like practical performance. They tune their engines for usable power ranges with good torque.

Seriously, every mazda I've owned has had a great midrange powerband. The duratec especially, the disi even more so.

They like to tune an engine that's fun 90% of the time you're driving it, not trying to have peaky motors like honda where you have to ring it's neck to get any power.

Sure, you don't get the highest hp figures this way, but it's much more rewarding.

Pic related. I use to own a Mazda5. They even made that thing fun. How do you make a minivan fun?!

Variable Valve Timing became standard after 1999

Mazda was never able to make piston engine high output before or after, very sad really
>And stock they're absolute shit compared to their european counterparts.
no

>duaratec
>mazda

>no
Compare any jap engine to its european counterpart. It's completely btfo.

>It's completely btfo.
no

There are more Japanese engines on the road worldwide today than any other country- period

>no
Keep telling yourself that, lad.

>MZR, Duratec, Disi, Ecoboost.

Whatever, just accept that mazda and Ford work together. I'm not gonna bitch over the nomenclature of the same product.

>jap engine so superior to europoor shit that they outright ban it from all FIA racing
roflmao, portuguese cuckboy btfo

w-we're not all like that

>literally never one nothing
lmfao

Look at those serious faces. Scares the shit out of me.

*won

>midrange powerband
>not rev-match downshifting for max top end power

shame on you

Doesn't make the engine any more Japanese.

won le mans then was banned roflmao!

>won a race then was banned roflmao!

Define good.
Because all of their engines are very reliable

ITT
>people who dont understand engine design

Pretty sure the only people ITT are you, me, and mjet.

name a Mazda engine that is
>naturally aspirated
>piston based
>10 hp per 0.1 liter

I would argue that Toyota/Honda are more reliable, and their engines that fit the criteria are as well

Yep, you obviously don't as I implied here

Toyota doesnt fit that criteria.
But hp/l doesnt make a good engine.
Its a road car. And in this day and age a road car should be fuel efficient and reliable. Which they are.
Also pic related

But it is mazda/japanese, so just shut the fuck up and stop spreading misinformation.

bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2005126&page=2

forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=228965

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazda_L_engine

>The Mazda L-series is a mid-sized inline 4-cylinder gasoline engine designed by Mazda, ranging in displacement from 1.8L to 2.5L. Introduced in 2001, it is the evolution of the cast-iron block F-engine. The L-series is used by Ford as their 1.8L to 2.5L 'Duratec' world engine.

>As of 2010, Ford is introducing a GDI turbo variant of the Mazda LF engine design as the EcoBoost 2.0L, using Ford's own manifold and engine control systems. Ford plans to use the L-engine well into the future for their EcoBoost and Duratec 4-cylinder generations. As of 2011, Mazda will cease to develop the L-engine, to be replaced by the SKYACTIV P-engine. At this time, Ford will be the only manufacturer still using the Mazda L-engine design.

>Toyota doesnt fit that criteria.
What is
>3SGE BEAMS VVTI
>2ZZ

>But hp/l doesnt make a good engine.
Yes it does. i.e. Honda Type R's

>Its a road car.
Sports cars designed for sporting purposes meaning high power output and reliability.

What engine is that m8

This

...

Ok so youre a stupid child boyracer.
Got it

>HP/Liter

Stopped reading there.

If it's high power and reliable, it's a good sporting engine

Not my fault Mazda can't make a proper NA based piston one

>won 1 (one) race
>IT'S THE BEST EVEEER
lmao
It's shit. The Wankel which isn't even a japanese invention like you weebs make it appear, is the less efficient engine ever made.
There's a reason why nobody applied it to more than a handful of cars in Europe.

Plus it sounds like a fucking weed whacker.

Just because you can. Doesnt mean you should.
Thats not what mazda is after. They arent going to build a car around your childish desires

>europoor with a 1.3 diesel fiat
your opinion is invalid

>literally every other Japanese brand has made the same output engines
>their childish for it

ok

fuel economy is the answer really

t. Shitvic/Shitrolla driver

This is how an engine should sound, you rice nigger.
youtube.com/watch?v=wB-K6bET0zk

>none of them are best selling cars
They are literally cars for kids

And torque

t. europoor

>this is how an engine should sound

which is completly different to your diesel poorfag shitbox

kek

>mazda engine
>having anything resembling torque
You serious?

Doesn't make it any less Mazda, which is what this thread is about.

It's true that Mazda doesn't produce high HP numbers, but those HP numbers occur only at the top end. Area under the curve is what amounts to actual performance, and definitely makes the difference in the way the car drives around town.

>Toyota Corolla
>highest selling car in the world

okey dokey

As is your shitty $1000 civic.
And even then, my little diesel probably sounds better than your shitbox.

>Area under the curve is what amounts to actual performance

Not if you aren't lazy and rev-match downshift to stay in the high power band

>doesnt make good hp/l
Derp