Is this a hint as to what the RX-9 will look like? I hope so

Is this a hint as to what the RX-9 will look like? I hope so.

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no

not even close

been under a rock?

Of course it isn't you dumb piece of shit

No. What the fuck OP.

It's just a race spec car with some slight changes to look a bit like the styling of their other cars.

The next RX will look like the RX-Vision.

>consumer cars
>ever looking anything close to a le mans prototype

>Doritos will never participate in big racing events again

I mean, the next car could certainly compete in GT3 if it's a 3 rotor.

The minimum weight means not getting enough out of a two rotor, though.

Maybe but

>new gen rotary
>completely redesigned
>depleted uranium apex seals
>chassis is hollow and filled with oil used to spray into combustion chamber

>226 hp
>74 ft lbs torque
>13 mpg

You know the RX-8 doesn't use an above average amount of oil, right?

That meme hasn't been relevant for over a decade now.

I hope it looks more like RX-7 FC. FC is so simple yet amazing. Flat smooth sides, soft edges but looks great.
RX-9 is going to be an edge fest anyway.

I don't get what you mean.
Like two wedges put together?
No, no one will make a new car that looks like that again unless there is some new hipster marque brand.

The concept is great. It just needs a better back end, and a 2" higher roof. Why fuck with something so good looking?
Great narrow recess headlights, those amazing DRLs, and lots of smooth flowing curves with just a few lines in just the right places.

The concept would look great if it wasn't so stupidly wide and didn't have that disgusting gaping grille.

I never got why automakers create concepts that don't even try to LOOK functional

>an inch of ground clearance at most
>unusably thin mirrors
>longer hood than a Challenger despite having a small twin rotor
>poor visibility in every direction

The headlights are kinda neat, but they'd look better just as regular lights. Larger headlights would also make the car look less humongous.

It's only 7 inches wider than an MX-5.

>longer hood than a Challenger despite having a small twin rotor
No it's not

>poor visibility in every direction
what

>mfw RX-9 brings back flip lights

>people still think Japanese manufacturers will make an exciting sports car for under $100k again
>people still think any of these concepts will ever exist
How many times are you going to fall for the same bait and switch? It's like sending a Nigerian prince your money over and over.

Trips confirm
>86/BRZ
>370z
>Miata
>WRX Sti
>Evo
They aren't Godmachines, but they exist.

Why does it look like my FD fucked an Aston Martin?

Seriously, why does that hood need to be that big, unless they're giving it 6 rotors or something, this is ridiculous.

Hesitantly interested, have heard it's going to be naturally aspirated out of the factory as well. Probably better overall, I'm just a turbo junkie.

Probably why they blew up desu.
Everybody knows the OMP in the Renesis doesn't lubricate sufficiently.

> naturally aspirated
Not likely

>why does that hood need to be that big,
becuase every other piece of car company is determined to shrink hoods to where they're no longer usable.

I'd rather a small single turbo to either NA or a sequential. More down-low torque, not expensive and heavy like a sequential.

They fixed that in 2006+ or 2009+. I know the 2009+ don't use much oil. They don't use as little as cars that are light on it, but they don't burn it remotely close to how an FD does either.

Fuck off retard.

The hood isn't big. It's only about 20" tall.

The car is simply small, and it appears long in comparison. The hood isn't really longer than most shitboxes.

It's just triggery with the windshield wrapping around a lot, the A-pillars being far back, and having a blunt nose that make it appear long.
God you guys are fucking dumb and should know this basic cars shit by now.

It's the same "hur dur Mazda3 hood is so long it could fit a V12" nonsense when it's only like an inch longer inside than the happy face Mazda3 and it's just the blunt nose that makes it appear long when it's not.

But no, the RX-Vision won't fit a V12 or I8 or what the fuck ever because it's only about 20 inches deep. Even the 13b-REW wouldn't fit in it since it's oil pan is too deep.

Interesting - thanks for the info, user, I never looked up too much on the RX-Vision aside from pictures.

I would hope not as well, it was just one of many rumors being batted around around October last year or so.

That's an IMSA spec LMP2 you fucking retard.

>exciting sports car
>anything on that list except MAYBE the Miata, but it's not a flagship sportscar product

Naturally aspirated would be fine if it was a hybrid and revved to over 10 thousand RPMs.

The reason you can't have a rotary rev to over 10k has nothing to do with balance or anything, it's just it doesn't breath enough without big ports that kill its low end performance. With an electric motor for the low end, that's no problem.

>I never looked up too much on the RX-Vision aside from pictures.
If you look at a picture of it by a person, it's apparent.

The hood barely comes up to dick-high on some little Asian manlets.

so you just want an rx8 hybrid with variable port size
noice

The RX-8 still choked off at 8000 rpm.

With 1.6l and if it had large enough ports to breath, you're looking at more around 350bhp+ NA at 10,000 rpm.

But turbo is probably better in hybrid applications anyway since you can recover energy from the turbo in lieu of a wastegate. It's just that 10,000 rpm is fun and sounds amazing.

The concept look absolutely massive to me. Like and old fashioned El Dorado coupe

What it *looks like to you* is irrelevant to its actual proportions in *reality*.

You people have aesthetic complaints with this, the most beautiful concept car in recent memory?

Must just be non-car-people from /pol/

I like it a lot, but I still have complaints:

>Rear is really, really bad. Needs to be completely redone.
>The side vents behind the front fenders looks dumb and adds an unnecessary crease. This was the low point of the FD as well.
>Roof needs to be about 2" higher.
>Side mirrors are obviously not happening any time soon. Talking 5+ years for regulators to stop being cunts about them.
>Interior looks like a college project. It should be more like an Aston Martin Vulcan, that's the most modern interior that's similar to how the FD's was. Obviously it's just a concept, but the interior looks like it was so hurried. They should have just left the interior empty since the concept is about the exterior only, obviously.

But yeah, still the best recent design-study concept in years.

Shit, does look much better now.

Most close-up shots of it absent of people make it look like it's as big as a fucking DB9. I'm glad it's more sensibly (FD) sized.

this could come out really damn cool. mazda has done a good job in their design, they always look tiers above their market. they dont look like jap shitboxes anymore

t. busrider who doesn't like fun.

looks pretty expensive. it's a good idea to go into the $80k+ market so it competes with an F Type instead of a mustang or vette. I have a feeling the meme engine is still going to lack mass appeal.

Eh they said they're targeting the Cayman.

So I'm guessing 911 performance for slightly less than Cayman price is what they're really targeting.

The original FD was almost half the price of the top of the line 911 Turbo S in 1992, while it was faster.

I don't expect them to make something faster than the new 911 Turbo S that's like $185k for Cayman pricing this time around, though.. but maybe faster than the midrange ones.

I just hope it's fun and a 2+2.

>The original FD was almost half the price of the top of the line 911 Turbo S in 1992, while it was faster.

Can I get source on this? People always talk about it being faster around Car & Driver's track, haven't heard about FD dusting a 911.

Not that I'm in disbelief, just haven't seen the account.

Faster than a Viper*, whoops

They have roughly the same 0-60 and 1/4 mile times, while the FD is 50:50 balanced double wishbone car and the Porsche's at that time had shitty suspensions that didn't work well with their rear weight bias.
And sorry, I meant the 911 turbo. The Turbo S wasn't a thing at the time.
It's not hard to see that the FD would be faster around probably every track.

It was also faster than the Corvette ZL1 at the time.

The only cars faster were cars like the F40. The FD simply BTFO every other sub-supercar that was sold in America at the time.

Oh, besides the suspension in the 911 gimping it, it's also worth noting that the FD's chassis roughly 50-90% stiffer than just about every car at the time which contributed to its good handling.

>Can I get source on this?
I don't have the exact image (it gets posted on here often though), but there's a magazine article that compares the FD, 911 Turbo, Corvette, and a handful of other jap and euro sports cars from 1992. The FD was the fastest around the track overall, beating the 911 by a few fractions of a second.

I knew the FD was good, but jesus fucking christ.

wtf i love doritos now

It was very good for the time, and even good for cars that came within the next 10 years, but cars have gotten absurdly faster in the past 10 years.

Even the Camaro ZL1 and Mustang GT350R are absurdly fast cars for the money and tough competition for this new RX.

But yeah if you look up torsional rigidity of late 80s and early 90s sports cars and supercars, you'll see most are in the 7,000-11,000 nm/deg range, while the FD was at 15,000.
The RX-8's is double that at 30,000 nm/deg (one of the first cars to really take advantage of computer aided design and simulations), while also when it came out most cars were sitting around 12,000-24,000 nm/deg.

A lack of stiffness isn't necessarily that bad, though. The body can sort of act like suspension when it's not stiff. But you can really feel a stiff chassis, it's more predictable and responsive even if it doesn't necessarily make a car a lot faster if at all.

But it being so stiff, in addition to its drivetrain being rugged, is why people could put 600+ hp in them with everything but the engine stock, and it'd take it fine while most other cars snap and twist apart at various points when you almost triple their power.

I trust Mazda can make a good car if they have the balls to give it the power it needs, and they make it easier to maintain.

>7 inches wider

That's a lot m8

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That's only a single penis length wider, m8.

The FD is roughly the same width as the new MX-5.
The new RX is obviously not going to have the same width as the MX-5.

You're right that it's quite wide, the RX-8 was only 1 inch wider than the FD for example, but it's narrower than an AMG GTS that it's sort of like a smaller version of which seems fine.

I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up being closer to the RX-8 width, but wide cars are fucking hot m8.

That shit was on old rubber, too.

The lateral gs you can pull with modern tires is so crazy for a car without aero giving it downforce.

i don't know what's more impressive
rx-7 awd tier cornering speed or mx-5 friction circle

News from just a day ago

>Good news for fans of impossibly beautiful, high-revving rotary sports cars. So anyone with a pulse, then. The Mazda RX Vision hasn’t been defeated by the accountants - it’s still very much under development and on track for showrooms in 2020.

>At least that’s “the dream”, according to Mazda’s R&D boss and all-round top bloke Kiyoshi Fujiwara. In four years’ time Mazda celebrates its centenary, and Fujiwara is desperate to get the project completed by then as the icing on the anniversary cake.

>“We are progressing our development work towards our vision. There is still a specific rotary team working hard on it.” How big is the team? “Less than 100 people, But more than 10.”

>The issue, as with any ambitious project like this, is simultaneously overcoming both technical and financial hurdles, but Fujiwara is confident he’s on top of both: “We are developing new technologies, and I believe we can find new technologies and make it work. In terms of the business case, that’s harder to control with things like Brexit and Trump going on!”

>“The new CX-5 is us starting again to build a robust business. If it’s a success then the RX Vision is a possibility.”
Maybe do some advertisements, you fucks.
People didn't have the CX-5 on their radar despite it being by far the best car in one of the highest sales segments for all of 2013-2015 before other manufacturers finally caught up.
Inferior cars like the Escape, Cherokee, and CR-V outsold it and then got better as well.

>Thanks to the 2015 concept, we know what the RX could look like, but what it’ll be made from is another question. Fujiwara confirmed that Carbonfibre-reinforced plastic (CFRP) is coming, and sports cars will be first before the rest of the range. Clearly, with its much higher price point, the RX is a better candidate than the MX-5. Fujiwara nods in agreement.
> Fujiwara confirmed that Carbonfibre-reinforced plastic (CFRP) is coming

>implying a 7in dick isn't a pretty big fucking difference

I wish mine were that big.

That looks almost drive-able.
Maybe raise the ride height a little and that's pretty much it.
The cabin looks like it's made for midgets but i think the window:door proportions are to blame for that.

can the americans stop getting fatter so we can have regular sized cars again and not have cars designed so that the average american can fit in it?

Fuck off retard, the rear is the best thing about it.

It would be vastly improved with a wing

There's no listen plate holder.
No blacked out taillights.
Taillights are a bit too small.

They actually said the real car may be a bit smaller than the concept.

I'm one of those Americans that's a normal weight. The FD fit me like a glove, I love it.

do you want a 450000 dollar mazda road car?

woah what is that full load of sex parked to the right?

Anyone else afraid Mazda is going to try and make this compete with the GT350R/Camaro ZL1/other benchracing cars, rather than focusing on fun and affordability?

No. I hope they are going to try to compete with those bench racing cars and ALSO make it fun.

There's no way a car with a completely new 1.6L turbo rotary will cost under 45k, user. Plus it needs to compete with cars like the ZL1 and GT350 on paper and not just subjectively.

The FD didn't sell 10k cars in its first year while costing $58k in todays money but simply being sexy and fun to drive.
It was the combination of being those 2 things, as well as having crazy numbers of paper, and being faster than cars that cost much more than it.

Mazda needs to do a repeat.
Make a 2+2 that pisses all over the Cayman despite having 2 small seats in the back.
Then pisses all over the ZL1 and GT350R.
Then pisses all over the 911 Carrera GTS as well despite being Cayman money.

Otherwise, I don't think Mazda will get success on looks and fun alone. It needs to BTFO to get more attention and sales.

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>The FD didn't sell 10k cars in its first year while costing $58k in todays money but simply being sexy and fun to drive.

how come fd is considered sexy and miata gay, if they both are similar to the point that a non-car person could easily mistake them for the same car?

They look and perform nothing a like.

Every single part in them is different, and they are completely different designs.

I've never heard of anyone confusing an FD with a Miata. The FD doesn't even have Mazda badges.

The only thing they have in common is some same paint colors, I think?

I assume didn't grow up in the 90's

They're considered gay becuase at the time it seemed only hairdressers bought the car.

It was only later with the popularization of auto x and open track events that it became known how cheap and fun they were to drive.

deny it as much as you want but they do look alike

no, i grew up where nobody fucking heard about these cars

Even normies can tell a sports coupe from a roadster apart.

They don't share a single line.

Only similarity is the front splitter, which isn't OEM on the NA miata and is made to look like the FDs. Duurrrr.

so ugly

>350hp from an N/A 2 rotor

I like forza too, its a fun game

The NB miata looks much more alike to the FD than the NA.

youtube.com/watch?v=QadevIBGVIw

>rx8s arent shit
>forums have literal pages of shit to look out for

rx8club.com/new-member-forum-197/new-potential-owners-start-here-202454/#post4533695

I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO WATCHED THIS TODAY WTF

the only correct response in thread

And as it says there, just as I said, they're largely issues affecting 2005 and newer, or at worst 2008 and newer models.

Wow, you're actually retarded.

>ditch stock exhaust for fully sick straight pipes
>upgrade stock ignition coils
>pour a bit of 2 stroke oil in with every fillup
literally all problems solved

>With 1.6l and if it had large enough ports to breath, you're looking at more around 350bhp+ NA at 10,000 rpm.
The extra displacement is all stroke. 7000-8000 RPM redline is likely.

looks like where anakin skywalker bitched about sand

As a turbo engine, yes, 7000-8000 RPM is likely.

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>they put a guy named fujiwara in charge

It's 70% hood.

Nigga that's a just a concept interior that was made in a weekend.

If I'm not mistaken, the fuel cutoff on the FD is 8300 despite it going up to 9 on the tach.

It is doubtful that a turbo 1.6l will have a higher redline than the FD. The RX-8 had a higher redline because it's NA.

They sure did.

>As long as Fujiwara is in charge: “In my dictionary there is no word for stop when it comes to rotary technology. I want to do it.”

RX-9 SPECS REVEALED

>carbon nanotube chambers
>gamma ray laser ignition
>29:1 compression, capable of nuclear fusion
>depleted uranium apex seals
>ECU capable of learning and computing quantum physics
>graphene variable sequential turbocharger capable of 100PSI
>195hp and 86lb-ft
>14MPG

Does Mazda still think it's a good idea to make rotatory engines?

#Memesthatneverdie

>miata
>sports car

Can Mazda make a great rotary engine? Is is too late for it? Now that everyone will be switching to electric power.

Does anyone buy Mazda for luxury? seems silly to not put it in the affordable sports car that punches above its weight class area, unless it cant punch above its weight class.

Since America made the rotary good maybe mazda can use that technology

As a man who put 105 thousand miles on a RX8 without ever having to change the apex seals i can assure you that they do in fact use more oil that a normal car unless you are driving a BMW V10. The harder you drive them the more they use and its possible to run them dry in under 5K if you are retarded.

Is he wearing rotary chamber shaped glasses?

>no
>not even close
>been under a rock?
Mazda confirmed they are not building that car. It was just cuck porn for rotards

>Muh 50:50 meme
When will you stupid mazda cucks grow out of this. You want rear heavy for tarmac performance, ALWAYS. You think F1 or LMP cars are following the 50:50 meme?

I mean, if you're gonna put someone in charge of your moonshot rotary project, might as well be the guy who has wankel eyeglasses, a wankel body pillow, wankel "wanker" onanhole, wankel motorcycle, wankel chainsaw, wankel RC airplane, working wankel RC rx-7 . . . . .

50:50 is closer to rear-biased weight than any other front-engine car. I don't know how you could make a front-engine car have the majority of the weight in the rear unless you just start intentionally weighing it down.

Isn't the Corvette C7 slightly rear biased?

Electric still looks like it'll be 25+ years before the batteries are light, compact, and SAFE enough along with low cost enough to be the norm.

Hybrids still generally make more sense. Cars like the P1, i-8, etc.

And a rotary makes the most sense with a hybrid. You can have a gas+electric powertrain that weighs the same as a larger engine, and less than a full electric powertrain, while offering the range of a tiny motor.