What was the greatest empire of all time? Please provide a logical and detailed response, and back your claim

Correct me if I'm wrong but the British had the largest empire in terms of land size. The mongols had the biggest CONTINUOUS land empire.

The US in any point in the past 3 decades.
>Unparalleled military strength
>Strongest national defense
>Industrial power
>If the U.S. wanted to it could destroy the rest of the world, but we're the kindest, most generous empire to ever exist.

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Yes for being very powerful, no to being an empire.

The US in the 90s.

It's still overwhelmingly powerful but back then Russia and China were shit, latin america still did what they were told and the Euros hadn't been alienated due to the overreaction to 9/11

Were not an "Empire" for propaganda and political reasons. We dominate the rest of the globe with military bases, Aircraft Carriers, and economic pressure. What is a Superpower if not a nicer way to say empire?

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>The most powerful nation to ever exist doesn't qualify as an empire.

An argument could be made that the US has achieve world domination and simply allows its vassal states to be mostly self-governing.

This map is completely inaccurate. What are you trying to say?

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British Empire

>america took some small islands plus it has some unincorporated territories like puerto rico
wow, really an empire amiright. I guess Denmark is too for owning the faroe islands and greenland.

US isn't an empire, so probably the British Empire

Murica, New York. The Empire State.

Jesus Christ, Anglos are getting more annoying than Krauts/Wehraboos.

Any answer other than Rome is null and void.
Greatness is not in raw power.
Greatness is in the legacy the empire left behind.
European cultures are influenced by Rome, most European laws are based on roman laws (Anglos being special snowflakes again).
Every great power to arise after Rome was influenced by it, from America to Russia.
Save for maybe China.
Japan and the Mongols have left no legacy other than death.

We also have vassal nations, known as the Compact of Free Association.

Then there is the whole Indian Reservation land.

OP said great, not large
The British Empire was absolutly not great in any way

The global influence of the US is fucking massive. You couldn't have chosen a weaker counterpoint. The mere fact you are writing on a computer is part of that.

Neo-Assyrian Empire

Continuously expanded through the mid-east, even into africa by conquering egypt

British Empire by a long, long way.

Civilised most of the entire Earth with the tenets of freedom, the rule of law, reason, science; giving the world most of modern life's inventions and discoveries; the banning, and enforcing of, slavery.

No other 'empire' comes close.

Not global influence you dipshit. I mean influence, as in impact. No other empire has impacted the world as much as Rome has.

The Han Dynasty is a good contender.

In terms of longevity four centuries is nothing to shake a stick at. It spanned a considerable region that was roughly twice the size of the Roman Empire and resulted in permanent changes to the ethnic composition of the world. In fact, according to statistics the average person by world population is Han Chinese.

Britain basically shaped the modern world,no nation has ever dominated the whole globe as completely, not even post cold-war America. OTOH, Britain is a fairly new empire, so it doesn't have the centuries of cumulative influence an empire like Rome of Qin have had.

Meme empire, it's influence was almost solely negative and it left almost no trace in history.

Britain probably won't have any more influence on the world than what it has accomplished so far. Compare to the Roman empire, Europe was complete romaboo for more than a thousand years after it ended, and remains an important reference point in culture, and countries in history trying to become the new Rome. The British empire, well, maybe it was important, but today, it's completely forgotten and only maintains its relevance as a part of history books. No one thinks about or admires the British empire anymore.

The future may not be Britaboo, but it will be Westaboo and Britain was the leading power of the West. It's too soon to tell what lasting legacy Britain will have, the fact that North America and India both speak English is a non-trivial factor there I think.

Britain was the leading power for barely a century if that.

Doesn't matter, it was the highest point of Western civilisation taken as a whole. It's also the part of the West most familiar in Asia, which most experts agree will be the next bearers of the torch of civilisation.

The highest point is right now, under an hegemony by the US that the British Empire never even approached

>The highest point is right now

Haha no. We're well into the period of decline, have been since the 50's and 60's. What we're experiencing is the Indian Summer of American supremacy, a mere afterglow of civilisation made possible by the great fortune of finding a whole new continent to loot.

Except the US. Blue jeans and pop music buddy.

>Civilised most of the entire Earth with the tenets of freedom, the rule of law, reason, science
What is French revolution?

Most of the world uses civil law not common law.

>we
>wuz
>kangz

Lol no. It wasn't the highest point by any objective mesure, and Asia isn't producing anything that could be called civilisation.

Your bong delusions are completely ridiculous.

>bong delusions

I'd say the first Persian Empire:

>at its peak controlled nearly half the human population in the world
>spanned three continents
>dominated the most important land and sea trade routes between Africa, Asia, and Europe
>the overwhelming majority of urbanization and sedentary peoples belonged to it
>lasted nearly 3 centuries
Hell at its peak it was larger then the Roman Empire would ever get. Other acceptable answers: British Empire.

America, sees fit
>fit

You can't even control arab dictators.

In Romes day they'd just snap their fingers and a nation would comply. Hell they had nations begging to be client states.

>Gadaffi
>dead
>Saddam
>dead

>In Romes day
Its not like the Romans didn't have their own history of setbacks, failures, and failings right?

lmao it can't even control backward Arab shitholes and its foreign police is just nothing but complete retardedness and dick sucking. Literally the most impotent and incompetent superpower in history.

The Netherlands right now.

>In Romes day they'd just snap their fingers and a nation would comply

Ever heard of Judea? Britain? Germania?

Name the last Arab terrorist attack on US soil.

It isn't the USA s fault you retarded Europeans are swinging your borders open and letting everyone in.

>pop music buddy.
Britain is to blame for that.
Hollywood is also British and Jewish.

What a bullshit image

>Italy
>Roman Empire

>France's "Empire" which lasted less than 50 fucking years

>Germany's occupied zones
>Empire
>didn't even fucking win the war
>Empire

This.

Who listens to Roman music anymore?

this is an anglo world

>Arab

Terrorist attack on US
2015 Chattanooga shootings

You've had more recent muzzie attacks, but they weren't arabs

Annunaki from the 12th planet..

>implying italy hasnt the most legitimate claim to the heir of the roman empire
Stay mad, stay salty, stay fat.

Orlando shooting like last month lmao.

How is that map in any way related to what a mediocre empire the uk was?

That would be Finland.

>France's "Empire" which lasted less than 50 fucking years

“It is better to live one day as a lion than 100 years as a sheep"

Living as a lion = dominating Italy, Spain Germany...
Living as a sheep = ruling over a bunch of subhumans in Africa and Asia

Empires aren't that great.

Empires aren't lions and sheeps. The real legacy of empire is it's culture and that takes fucking time.

The French Empire is like the Mongol Empire. All military glory but lacking in any cultural output.

A "flash in a pan" is more apt than a metaphor about lions and sheep.

>inb4 "Liberalism." French Revolutionaries were deluded in peddling this across Europe. There were places in Germany which were more freer than the whole of France due to strong civic traditions like the Free States. England was literally freer than the Kingdom of France.

But in reality, Napoleon's Empire left a lot of long lasting legacies, like most of the world's legal systems, right-hand driving, the rise of nationalism and fall of feudalism in Europe, the German and Italian unification

The British Empire (the one that's well known aka the late 19th century one) left almost nothing
The only strong legacy is the one of the early British Empire and that legacy is the USA and what they accomplished since WW2 (achieving global dominance, making English language relevant...etc)

>like most of the world's legal systems
Que?
>right-hand driving
America. I don't think France birthed Ford and the Motor Town concept.
>the rise of nationalism and fall of feudalism in Europe
Nationalism was a trend across Europe brought about by 18th Century nutjobs.

And Feudalism has been long dead.

>The British Empire (the one that's well known aka the late 19th century one) left almost nothing
What language are we communicating again?

>Que?
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>America. I don't think France birthed Ford and the Motor Town concept.
Driving existed long before the automobile, mong
Autos just kept doing what horses and carriage did
Btw
>In Continental Europe, driving on the right is associated with France and Napoleon Bonaparte. During the French Revolution, a decree of 1792 created a uniform traffic law, requiring traffic to keep to the "common" right, thus abolishing the so-called aristocratic left-side traffic. A little later, Napoleon consolidated this new rule by ordering the military to stay on the right side, even when out of the country, so that everyone who met the French Army had to concede the way. In the early 19th century, those countries occupied by or allied to Napoleon – the Netherlands, Luxembourg, Switzerland, some German and Italian states, Poland and Spain – adopted right-hand traffic. Britain, Sweden, Austria-Hungary and Portugal continued or adopted left-hand traffic.

Napoleon made Europe drive on the left, Europe made the world follow

>What language are we communicating again?
That's explained in the previous post, retard
English being the lingua franca has nothing to do with the 19th century British Empire, it's fully because of the Post-WW2 US hegemony

Before WW2, even at the height of the British Empire, French was still the lingua franca
German diplomats adressed British ones in French in 1914, and US troops used French when adressing Italian, Dutch and German civilians during WW2
Now you could grasp at straws and say that the US existbecause of the British Empire, but that's still not the 19th century one (aka the one in which "the sun never sets", the one you always see on maps, the one everyone knows)

>suomi actually believe that.
Perkele.

>The British Empire (the one that's well known aka the late 19th century one) left almost nothing

Except modern finance. And industrialism. And the language, obviously. And British style democracy. And liberalism more generally.

How about that guy that shot 50 gays dead?

>And the language, obviously

See This meme has to end
English language was irrelevant until US hegemony

Britain conquering shitholes in Africa isnt what made Western Europe and Japan speak English as second language.
Hollywood and other US cultural media are the reason

And what ideals and ideologies did the US and most of the west get it's influence from again?

Sorry, we don't hold two de jure kingdoms, so we'll never create an empire.

judea got wrecked so hard by the romans all of the tribes except for one are completely gone

the only people who ever really messed up the romans were the germans and huns

Nigga are you smoking crack?! Ancient Israel and 11 of the 12 original tribes were wiped out by the Assyrians in the 8th century BCE, leaving only the Judeans which were conquered by the Babylonians in the early 6th century. They were allowed to return home by the Persians, and by the time the Romans came they were among the most prosperous people in the region, much wealthier than anything in Europe. And more than simply being wealthy, they had a large and powerful middle class which resented the Romans for what we could call "taxation without representation", which is why it was a seething hotbed of unrest in Jesus's time, and why Roman governors were executing anyone who even remotely disturbed the peace.

The rebellion was massive and Rome's response was to do them what they did to the Iberians and the cisalpine gauls: diaspora. They looted their society of all it's wealth, forced the survivors to disperse and migrate to the far corners of the empire, and then renamed Judea "Palestine" as a deliberate "fuck you" to the surviving Jews (Palestine being the Latin word for Philistine) and stocked the region with people who have lived there to this day. Hell, the reason that Christianity exists as a distinct religion is because they distanced themselves from the rebels and didn't want to be seen as another Jewish messiah cult (which is what inspired the Jews to rebel in the first place).

But unlike every other culture subject to diaspora Jewish culture persevered, long outliving the pagan Latins who drove them from their homeland.

And rebellion and unrest plagued Rome for most of its history, no matter how efficient they got at killing people.

you have the AQUILA AS THE SYMBOL FOR YOU FEDERAL GOVERNMENT YOU DIMWIT, you are one of rome's greatest successors,

The Central African Empire

3rd Roman Empire.

Tang was even larger than Han.

Four centuries is an inflated number as it ignores the huge changes that occurred during the Xin interregnum. Later Han was a very different place from Former Han.

>Four centuries is an inflated number as it ignores the huge changes that occurred during the Xin interregnum. Later Han was a very different place from Former Han.
Yeah but the common denominator was the Liu royal family, which aside from a failed 32 year experiment with socialism, called the shots from Liu Bang until Liu Xie

>Chinese territory that close to Persia
Ayyyyyy

>Every great power to arise after Rome was influenced by it, from America to Russia.
Ah yes, the mughals, true sons of rome.
Or the guptas

fucking faggot ass eyetie.

>computer
>invent by brits
>you post this over the internet
>invented by a brit
amerifats, everyone

>In Romes day they'd just snap their fingers and a nation would comply. Hell they had nations begging to be client states.

ok bud.

>american eagle
>aquila
kys

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>Yeah but the common denominator was the Liu royal family
So we're just going to ignore the fact that Liu Xiu's connection back to the royal family was over a century beforehand and his closest relation to another Emperor was fifth cousin.

>fifth cousin.
It was a fucking massive clan, hence its durability.

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This

Choke on a dick

Rome, because not only was it long lasting, it established Greek civilization through Europe as the bedrock of Western civilization (later coupled with Christianity, also due to Rome). If you are a Westerner, you *are* a Roman, it's just the political structure got rekt.

Egypt under Pharaoh Wiwuz II.

this

Gu-mak-han-je-guk(구막한제국, 寇莫韓帝國, 3814BC~2333BC) based on Han-guk(한국, 韓國, 3898BC~2333BC).

Han-guk(한국, 韓國, 3898BC~2333BC) and its commonwealth : brahmanedu.org/english/materials/summary/31_1.html

Gu-mak-han-je-guk(구막한제국, 寇莫韓帝國, 3814BC~2333BC) is the only true empire on the ground because evil deities cannot be emperors.

King list of Gu-mak-han-je-guk(구막한제국, 寇莫韓帝國, 3814BC~2333BC) including kings' real identities in the immortal world.

True meaning of emperor and empire : brahmanedu.org/english/books/heart/books_heart_vods27.html.

[Emperor's Type]

Hwang-je(황제, 皇帝) : Hwang-je(황제, 皇帝) means Sakyamoni Hananim Buddha as the only true original creator.

Sang-je(상제, 上帝) : Sang-je(상제, 上帝) means the supreme cheon-je(천제, 天帝) among cheon-jes(천제, 天帝). He is yeum(음, 陰, -, negative) Sakyamoni Hananim Buddha named as Ok-hwang-sang-je(옥황상제, 玉皇上帝, Jade Emperor).

Cheon-je(천제, 天帝) : Buddhas who accomplish the perfect enlightenment in accord with buddhadharma can use this title.

[Meaning of empire]
The countries hwang-jes(황제, 皇帝) and cheon-jes(천제, 天帝) rule are named as 'je-guk(제국, 帝國, empire).

More details are on the webpage brahmanedu.org/english/books/heart/books_heart_vods27.html

Serious answer:

none at all.

"The measure of a man is how he treats his inferiors and that will be the test of a man in the days to come." ~ Mason

all dinasties, all empires were shit, every single one. they all relied on either slavery or extortion of the lesser offs. even the "American Empire" fails this simple test, but it would be my answer to OP since it's the least shit. my true answer would be Northern-West Europe, but they don't qualify as empire. everyone from the bottom up till the top is treated fair and equal here. yes, we may not have the same military power as America, but we make up for that by showing what an (almost, we also have our flaws) real equal society looks like. that's the mark of a true great society and that's legacy to be proud of.

>inb4 american salt
>inb4 terrorist meme
>inb4 neo muslim empire XDXDXD

>implying empires can even be considered "Great"
>implying empires are anything but the expression of human depravity
>implying empires were at any point necessary for humans as a species

Wew, lads.

seems like we have the same idea

great post