Is socialism the most autistic philosophy?

How is it not voluntary? You can argue over whether it is exploitive or not, but you cannot say that someone is involuntarily taking a loan, going to work, or paying a mortgage.

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Capitalism:
>"Let me buy that car for $2"
>"no, fuck off"

Socialism:
"Give me your car or you go to gulag"
"O-ok comrade anything for you!"

>going to work
the consequences of not working in many countries mean it is involuntary
a slave can choose not to work, but due to the pressures and consequences, we don't count it as voluntary

>Socialism is literally Stalinism

(Same user) I think this the problem most people actually make at all, they confuse exploitation with involuntary exchanges. The two (Exploitation and Involuntary exchange) are completely different things, and must examined as such within the framework of any system before any real assigning of the words to the principle in question.

By that reasoning existence itself is involuntary, and by extension every system is involuntary. If you refuse to eat, you die. If you refuse to drink water, you die. Your very existence, by your own reasoning, is involuntary, you are a slave to matter.

Slavery is not allowed in an-cap society as it clearly violates NAP you fucking dumbass

Eating is a neccesity.
Employment and working don't need to exist.
>muh NAP (peace be upon it)

Necessity by what? By force of your own body, aggressing against your wishes not to eat? That still ignores that by your own reasoning, not mine, existence is involuntary. Say what you will by dividing the line between necessity or not, an action is required of you on pain of death. That sounds like your definition of slavery, as I understand it of course.

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Even if we do define our existance is slavery, that's not justification for another slavery imposed by other people.

Yes, so why is your system any more valid than any other? If we start at square one slavery, than every system is a bi-product of this slavery, of your own definition. You can never escape or liberate it, and any system is merely a slave to it. Unless of course, you're more willing to change your definition of voluntary.

You don't ask to be born, do you? In a sense, existence is involuntary. Eating and drinking are voluntary actions that contribute to the involuntary outcome of starvation and dehydration respectively.
These actions are natural and so involuntary, the same way a river runs downhill or a flock of birds migrate for the winter.
There is no example of capitalism in nature. Capitalism is a man-made concept and thus completely voluntary.
*Leaves room*

I don't even know who's arguing for or against what point anymore.

The philosophy itself is opposed to autism because it relies on being able to relate to your fellow man, the most die hard supporters do seem pretty spastic though

>There is no example of capitalism in nature. Capitalism is a man-made concept
"survival of the fittest"

>capitalism
>voluntary
wew lad

>"survival of the fittest"
You mean "survival of the most popular"?

Saying that capitalism is a meritocracy is a joke.

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what's the distinction between fitness and popularity under the scope of capitalism if the goal is for people to buy your good/service?

>"survival of the fittest"
>"survival of the most popular"

I think neither one of you know what the word "capitalism" means.

Venezuela has been a Cuban protectorate for decades now
Cuban Officials practically ran everything under Chavez as he became increasingly paranoid, and now that he's dead they've taken full control with the aid of the military.

the purpose of Venezuela is to supply Cuba with its oil money as well as provide a source for Cubans to ship Cocaine and other drugs into the USA as a way to destabilize it.
in exchange Venezuela gets Cuban professionals and military officials to keep it stable

what is capitalism without competition?

is there even a grain of truth in this?

>cuban plot to ship drugs into the USA to destabilize it

Because drugs are in high demand, private individuals and organizations would do it for them if they weren't in the game. Therefore the only logical reason for them to be involved in producing drugs is for money.

>venezuela is a cuban colony

if this was true wouldn't the american government be pointing this out?

>popularity=quality

>The goal of capitalism is quality and not profit.

in our society working and employment are a necessity. deal with it

>is there even a grain of truth in this?
yes
theguardian.com/world/2014/may/27/cuba-expats-maduro-caracas-venezuela-protests

washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jun/14/one-of-the-greatest-ironies-of-the-late-strongman-/

stratfor.com/analysis/special-report-venezuelas-control-armed-forces

over the years Cubans have placed themselves into basically every high level position. The only real threat is the Army and a popular revolt if things spiral out of control, but so far they are able to maintain stability through their puppets in government.

as for the drugs its well known that Cuba has been a major base for exporting drugs to the US for decades, in the 80s Cubans ran the drug trade into Florida and have since expanded into other regions.

now they often work with the Cartels as well again to sow dissent in the US and spread communism in Mexico

"Work doesn't need to exist."

Who is producing and transporting food?
Who is building housing?
Who maintains and operates power plants?
Who provides medical care?
Who is maintaining infrastructure?