Why have Americans historically worshiped the Declaration of Independence, Constitution...

ethnic background has nothing to do with national unity, especially for the US of A, you dumb fucking yurotrash faggot.

>As somebody educated enough to appreciate the constitution in all its glory, I much, much prefer America blindly faithful to the pseudo-divinity of the founders to an America full of uneducated louts convinced they know better than some of the brightest minds of the 18th century.
Fully agree desu
The reason Americans worship the thing is because its damn near perfect.

Those documents were written by hypocritical slave owning racists and mysoginists who would be disgusted by America's current demographics and policies. Honestly the Constitution is outdated and should more clearly reflect contemporary values and needs. Shit like the 2nd Amendment has been outdated for over a century at least.

>i'm a real life american
What did he mean with this

>ethnic background has nothing to do with national unity,
It does whenever you use "Nation." You're a Republic, but not a nation.

Jesus, Anglos cant use their own fucking language.

here's your reply.

>Those documents were written by hypocritical slave owning racists and mysoginists
And you'd never know it by reading it. That's how amazing it is.

>its damn near perfect.
If it were perfect it wouldn't have needed to be amended so many times. The amendment process in itself could be said to be a kind of perfection though. It's difficult enough that the constitution cannot be amended on a whim, yet not so difficult that nothing can ever be changed.

>Nation: a large area of land that is controlled by its own government

Straight from Merriam-Webster.

That's why I sad "damn near".

>Our constitution is what separates us from other nations

But user, every country on the planet has one.

>Dictionary definitions.
Disregarded.

They're all pretty shitty compared to ours tbqh

No other nation on earth has anything close to the freedoms granted by the 1st and 2nd Amendments. Every other nation has some kind of limit on speech via "hate speech" laws and severe restrictions on civilian ownership of firearms. Other nations have constitutions but there is only one true Constitution.

>Why have Americans historically worshiped
This isn't /pol/, you don't need to make this a bait thread to get replies
>the Declaration of Independence, Constitution, and Bill of Rights like they are sacred, holy documents?
Because the US does not have much holding it together besides a common appreciation for these documents. Without common appreciation for the Constitution things would unravel in a blink of an eye.
>Also they have a weird fetish for their flag
See first response
>Are Americans the most spooked people on the planet?
Kill yourself

so i should take the definition for a word from some faggot on Veeky Forums over a legitimate source?

>I much, much prefer America blindly faithful to the pseudo-divinity of the founders to an America full of uneducated louts convinced they know better than some of the brightest minds of the 18th century.
Not really in the same boat as you but this is actually a very good point.

You're right, but people are going to get butthurt at you anyway for reasons I don't really understand. I never use "nation" when referring the the US. I say "union" or sometimes just "country".

Because they have no actual history.

t. Europe

They fought themselves before just like Europe has done for centuries, that's about as much "history" as you people have.

Yes, because Dictionaries are the worst sources to ever use when describing historical concepts.

Dictionaries describe empires as "large states with multiple ethnicities" for one fucking thing.

And seriously? This fucking statement?
>Nation: a large area of land that is controlled by its own government
GREAT, every state entity that ever lived is now a nation. God how stupid can you be? So we can talk of a Roman nation now? An Ottoman nation? Jesus fucking Christ.

Nation and ethnicity group are two different things, user.

Somehow I sense you're not a native English speaker so I wonder what is the translation of "nation" in your native language.

Brits don't.

>every state entity that ever lived is now a nation
You realize "nation" and "state" are synonyms, yes? They are both broad and similar enough that they can be used almost interchangeably. Something tells me English is not your first language.

Not one like ours. I've read the constitutions of several European nations, they are poor copies at best, and are far less perfectly worded. What is especially lacking is their bill of rights, not a single nation on Earth (aside from the Philippines funnily enough) has an ironclad guarantee to freedom of speech equal to the United States, and I doubt it's as respected in the Philippines as it is in America.

The UK has many legal documents that together function the same way as a constitution.

>"nation" and "state" are synonyms
No they aren't. State is institutionalized political power yet nation is a group of people with common history and identity.

They have constitutional documents, that doesn't mean they have a constitution. Their constitution is mostly unwritten tradition and precedents.

You picked a very odd thing to be stubborn about. In your own mind maybe they have these specific definitions, but to everybody else they are basically the same thing.

And how are Americans not a nation according to your own definition of "a people with common history and identity?"

That was my first post in this thread.

Not seeing how that makes you any less wrong.

>Philippines funnily enough
No it isn't. Revolutionaries fapping to America made the Philippine constitution.

You know what's funny? Freedomland killing a democratic revolution in order to play colonial master.

It means i'm not the guy you were arguing with and i don't claim usa isn't a nation and i'm not stubborn about anything.

>Flags i can understand, because that shit is common across the globe
Maybe in the past but not really now. I'm Irish and we're nationalist as fuck but we respect what the flag represents more than the literal bit of cloth. I've seen Americans freaking out over flags touching the ground, stepping on a flag, holding flags upside down etc. (all accidentally, I'd understand if it was some statement). Mind you this is mostly online where retards come out of the woodwork, but I think there's some truth to it.

I've read the Philippine constitution. On paper it has the same kind of wording as the American Bill of Rights for the first amendment. On paper at least. As I said, I doubt it's respected the same way.

You're still wrong about nation and state being synonyms.

This isn't a dick waving contest, user.

I'm not waving my dick, I'm stating a fact. Looking at how most constitutions of the world protect freedom of speech is depressing because they do it completely backward. Only the United States (and Philippines, technically) do it the proper way.

see You're a Slav aren't you?

>ethnic background has nothing to do with national unity, especially for the US of A, you dumb fucking yurotrash faggot.
yes it does you retard

If they were synonyms, the term nation state wouldn't make any sense.

no

>If they were synonyms, the term nation state wouldn't make any sense.
Now I know English isn't your first language, this is the kind of mistake somebody who processes a language logically makes instead of knowing it intuitively. The existence of a compound word "nation state" doesn't necessitate that nation and state have separate meanings.

You need to go back.

Nation state means a state based on one nation. A term invented after French revolution, opposite to universal imperial state system. For example Ottoman Empire was a state with several nations in it.

Freedom of speech guarantees that the government cannot censor you. My own government cannot censor me., even though my freedom of speech isn't explicitly guaranteed in our constitution, but rather guaranteed by a web of interconnected laws.

I could walk down to the local cop shop and make a speech extolling the virtues of a Marxist republic and make up some bullshit about how Australia would be better off with a communist government. I wouldn't be arrested unless I were perceived to be inciting a rebellion. The same law against incitement is an exception to Freedom of speech in the US also.

So please understand that when an American has a wank on here about how free they are or about how great the US constitution is, very few foreigners care. Because in one way or another most of us have the exact same rights.

Now go to the same place and call aboriginals "niggers" and see how fast you get arrested for hate speech.

liberals and libertarians have created a Christianity without god

not him, but wew you're a bit too condescending for being so obviously wrong

>little rules written in books
>guarantees of anything

let's recall that the fantasy in humanist societies is the free thinker.
this liberal uberman is a man corresponds to the fantasy of a man being ''altruistic (for more than a few moments) while being hedonistic''.
Indeed, as in any doctrine, there are people who despise hedonism and think they are less hedonistic than they presently are.
These liberal speak of the motto ''liberalism is not about hedonism''.

The best activity of the occidental humanist is to design a structure which would ''change people from animals/hedonists to rational people who act for, who embrace, in a disinterested manner, the Human Rights''
The national education begins here with the faith that people, if educated to love the HR, will embrace the HR at the end of school.
Now, after a few decades if not centuries of this, this structure still fails. In fact, the failure leads people to still ''try to change the system''.

This fantasy of having a structure to change people dates back from thousands of year. So far, no structure is able to make people control if not ''eradicate the desires with evil consequences (wrt to the HR)''.

didn't your government briefly ban flat chested women being in porn?

Another (slavic) user here
Atleast in our language nationality is different from state.
Like in state of Yugoslavia there were 7nationalities

It is different in English too.

That user is just retarded.

That's currently a grey area, but in all likelihood it will be legal for me to do that soon as well, should I ever want to for some reason.

>but in all likelihood it will be legal for me to do that soon as well

Why would you even think that the trend in your country and around the world will be towards more individual freedoms and ability to express yourself in controversial ways rather than less freedoms and more censorship?

No that was clickbait shit.

>There is no information from the Classification Board on any specific ban, only a general statement that publications with depictions of persons who appear to be under 18 must be refused classification (that is, banned).

Basically if the depicted person can't be confirmed to legally be an adult, the publication is banned from sale in the country.

>Why have Americans historically worshiped the Declaration of Independence, Constitution, and Bill of Rights like they are sacred, holy documents? Is there any other nation in history so obsessed with pieces of paper? Also they have a weird fetish for their flag. Are Americans the most spooked people on the planet?

Saudi Arabia worships the Quran and the Saudi constitution which is based on the Quran.

Also Saudi Arabia's flag contains a holy text which means they refuse to lower their flag half-way for any ceremonies. Including ceremonies at the UN.

To be American is to acknowledge the Constitution and by association Bill of Rights as not a legal document but merely a piece of paper that signifies the natural rights of all human beings.
It's not just a legal document, it is the basis of our morals, our mindset, and our culture.

I don't think it's flawless. I think it's the best Constitution in the world though. I can say whatever I want without going to jail.
Now mind you I can still ruin my life by shouting nigger on the streets, getting shot, fired, shunned, etc, but I cannot be jailed for my words. This is not true everywhere else in the world. Even Canada restricts what you can say and they will come down on you if you overstep those limits.
Now granted libel and slander is illegal but that's because it infringes on the rights of others by directly attempting to harm someone's reputation, employment or possibly even body by calling out for people to kill them. But your feelings are not protected by any inherent or legal laws in America. And I love that.
"Your rights end where my feelings begin" will be the end of Western Society if it takes hold.

lack of involvement in "ebig internet culture" or lack of perception that the whole world is 3 american college campuses

Did you study every constitution in the world to claim us constitution is the best in the world?

>gag.com

Did you study every constitution in the world to claim the us constitution isn't the best in the world?

>Shit like the 2nd Amendment has been outdated for over a century at least.
>>>/reddit/

The US constitution is the only Constitution that gives me the right to say fuck niggers in the street and the government can do literally nothing about this.
Technically the Phillipines has that too but they're a corrupt shithole and silence people all the time.

In the US constitution it says these are inherent rights to all humans. Not that these are rights granted by the government, but that these are rights the government cannot take away or hinder.

I don't claim anything like that.

>In the US constitution it says these are inherent rights to all human
Except niggers and bitches.

Only thing you can come up with about constitution is freedom of speech so you have no idea what you are talking about.

As Weber pointed out, if you don't have a working bureaucracy, you need nationalism as the glue holding the nation together.

It's the only area the US constitution is much different. And yet, for such a small thing it is totally unique and massive in its impact.

The Bill of Rights is inherent. Government has no say over it. Everything it guarantees it guarantees fully.
How many other constitutions even approach such an idea? Such a small clause, but a fundamentally massive one that puts the US constitution heads over heels above any other constitution.

So, all this pure ideology is cool and all, but how do americans process their legal system when it's actually implemented in the real world?

You might technically shout nigger on the streets, but if the government actually wanted to silence you, they'd just circumvent the entire matter through the Patriot Act and the myriad other appendages that sometimes make USA look like a scary police state.

>You need to go back.
Not from the western hemisphere, my family has been in my country since before there were white people in America.

It's obvious from an outside perspective that America is not a single nation but a patchwork of nations divided along ethnic lines.

This! You could go to jail for being communist. Not even for speaking for it, just having that opinion.

Yeah that approaches the realm of rampant corruption. And if they wanted to silence you they'd grab you in the middle of the night and not speak of you.
In Europe people who say mean things get massive news stories and become a public display for the government to parade.
Frankly I've never heard of any even halfway decent rumors about the Patriot Act being used to silence white blue blooded Americans. Everything credible I've heard is them using it to torture brown people.

Now this could just be because the US government is very efficient and good at hiding secrets. But like, I know the US government. It's inefficient and about as air tight as Swiss cheese.

>it's ok if its brown people and/or Ted

yeah, pure ideology

Also, /pol/ megathread does not a massive mainstream news story make.

That's not what I said, I said there's no actual evidence of the Patriot Act being used to suppress Americans.
Every time the government flash bangs a baby, shoots a dog, accidentally full retard lmgs to known criminals, tortures brown people and accidentally state secrets to people it gets found out and with hard evidence.
Where's the hard evidence of Americans getting drone striked? Or snatched and grabbed? Just rumors with no sources.

Americans are united by the nation's founding principles. They have no concept of "blood and soil". The average American finds such sentiments utterly baffling.

i see, so the answer to my original question is: "denial"

:^)

What even was your question? Is the US government corrupt?
Yes.

I still don't see how that plays into what currently happens. Nobody gets jailed for calling people a Communist faggot in public. Try that in Europe and see how quickly you get arrested.
Try carrying a screw driver in Britain. Try getting a gun in general in Europe.

You're trying to say the US constitution isn't great because some people ignore it? Ok. But Europe's governments don't have to ignore their own laws to silence and disarm people. They can do that shit in the open and do regularly.
In practice America's constitution is still better than any other constitution.

So yeah, find some way to twist my words more I guess if that makes you happy.

>Try that in Europe and see how quickly you get arrested. Try carrying a screw driver in Britain. Try getting a gun in general in Europe.

This is like me saying everyone gets shot up by cops in USA because of those few clips I've seen on the internet.

There's no point debating if you're gonna be so disingenuous

>In the US constitution it says these are inherent rights to all humans. Not that these are rights granted by the government, but that these are rights the government cannot take away or hinder
Except when they do.

It's really nothing like that because I'm not exaggerating when I say Europe does not offer free speech and has many laws against hate speech. These are not isolated incidents when people get punished for hate speech, it happens all the fucking time.
The British police post on social media showing all the super dangerous tires and sticks they confiscate.
Getting a gun in Europe is waaaay harder than here in the US. I live in a shall issue state for one, and require no liscence to own a long rifle or shotgun. I could buy an AR-15, 10,000 rounds of ammo and a 12x magnification scope and be on the range using it in three days.

You try that in Europe and see what happens and how many road blocks you run into.

You can parrot the get shot meme if you want but I'm not memeing when I say that I can say more than you, carry more than you and buy bigger (and smaller) guns than you.
Specifically because my constitution guarantees me the rights to do, say, carry and own these things, and yours does not, either partially or entirely.

No you can't.
The government didn't even touch Hanoi Jane despite her literally collaborating with the North Vietnamese.

>talk about freedom of speech
>muh gun is bigger than your gun, you "european"

wew

The discussion was why I think the US constitution is the best. It includes but is not limited to superior freedom of speech laws.

Also nice straw man. Just straight up straw man there. I very clearly said its way easier for me to get guns in America, I never claimed it was impossible or even necessarily hard to get a gun in Europe. It's certainly a more tedious, expensive and longer task, but nowhere near approaching impossible.

I've noticed all your arguments come down to arguing a point I didn't actually make and just ignoring the rest of what I said, even if it is exactly the opposite of what I just said.
That's pretty damn childish man.

Or John McCain for that matter.

He's an australian, its what they do.

And FDR was in the wrong for doing that.

I'm glad to see you understand so well.

Well, my post started with US views on practical implementations of written law and how they might diverge from ideological concepts of the law itself.

Then you started sperging about how it doesn't count if it's only brown people, about guns and daily mail articles, while also falsely presenting Europe as some homogeneous whole in terms of laws and constitutions.

So I just decided to go down to your level and meme away.

Again you continue straw manning me.
Please point out where I said torturing brown people is ok.
And please point out a European state with equal laws on freedom of speech or firearms ownership as the US. Even Switzerland is not equal to the US in this regard. Me homogenizing Europe is due to the fact no European constitution is superior to the US constitution on freedom of speech or firearm laws.

And to top all this off, you want to imply you started this conversation? Unless you jumped in unannounced, you responded to my post which was not a direct reply to anyone.
So unless you're OP, whom I indirectly responded to, you my good man did not start talking about anything. I started talking about something, then you started straw manning what I said and tried to imply because people break the law laws do not actually exist.

You rightfully rebuke him for caricaturing America and then you turn around and caricature Europe.