This kills the Tiger

>Wars are decided by k/d ratios

underage detected

>"This kills the Tiger"
>this battle proves it
>waah waah k/d doesn't count!!!
I mean they obviously won, but using the battle of Kursk to prove that Soviet tanks were qualitatively better is going full retard

Overall losses are one thing, but how did the Tiger alone fair? That's a totally different ballgame.

I know the Ferdinand saw something like half its entire production line wiped out at Kursk alone. It wasn't much, but still.

Oh! I'm sorry, I didn't see you down there!

Where does this number come from

German armor suffered almost as many losses as the soviets

[carburetor problems intensify]

According to the Dutch wiki most were destroyed by broken transmissions and by infantry, due to the lack of a mounted machine gun.

It also states:
>Desondanks was de Ferdinand toch een redelijk succes, vooral toen men ze na begin juli op de correcte wijze begon te gebruiken. Ferdinands vernietigden tot november 1943 honderden Sovjettanks, voornamelijk T-34's, tegen een verlies van veertig voertuigen. De officiële claims voor het 656esPzjRegiment beliepen 502 uitgeschakelde tanks.
502 destroyed tanks against a loss of 40 doesn't sound too bad desu

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kursk#Casualties_and_losses

Probably a long shot but do any of you have 'Demolishing the Myth: The Tank Battle at Prokhorovka, Kursk, July 1943: An Operational Narrative' by Valeriy Zamulin, either the English or Russian printing?

>an irrecoverable loss is the equivalent to a recoverable loss

This kills the T-34

Shit damage control slavshit
The truth remains that the Soviets won Kursk by zerg rush tactics, not by better equipment

One thing people forget about kursk is that the British had been decrypting German messages and knew exactly where the attack was gonna take place. This allowed the Soviets to reinforce that area heavily.

It was the Germans who rushed and couldn't break their defenses.

The Tiger's transmission kills the Tiger.

The Soviets won because of their enormous nummerical advantage and by throwing lives at the enemy.
Slavaboo butthurt won't change this fact

And tons of American aid that they pretend didn't happen.

But they still won sempai

>Although the entire column was trapped, some of the veteran crews stayed cool and utilized their advantages. One of the crews of an M4 Sherman with a short-barreled 75mm M2 gun was near the middle of the column when the three King Tigers appeared on the right side. The alert tank commander immediately saw two possibilities. First, he knew that the King Tiger had a manual traverse, and it would be extremely difficult and time-consuming for him to swing the turret and elevate the gun to zero in on him. Next, our tank commander knew that an armor-piercing shot from his low-velocity 75mm would just bounce off the King Tiger. In a split second he told his gunner to load a white phos-phorus round. It struck the glacis plate right above the driver's compartment with a blaze of flames and smoke. Although there was no possibility of penetration, the shock in the tank must have been terrific. The entire faceplate in front of the turret was covered with burning particles of white phosphorus which stuck to the sides of the tank. The smoke engulfed the tank, and the fan in the engine compartment sucked the smoke inside the fighting compartment. The German crew must have thought the tank was on fire and immediately abandoned it. Although the tank suffered little damage, had the crew stayed inside they would have been overcome by the deadly fumes. The Sherman immediately turned its gun on the second tank in the column and fired white phosphorus, with the same result.

>70 years later
>M-MUH KRUPP STAHL
>S-SLAVABOOS REKT

Stay mad Wehraboos

>resorting to anecdotes when the numbers don't work out for you
Also two sides can play that game

There are in fact very few studies that examine direct tank vs tank engagements; which only constitute a minority of engagements involving tanks. The only study that has been published and examined in published books is the United States Army's Ballistic Research Lab (BRL) study in 1946, which has been cited in several books by Stephen Zaloga (notably Armored Champion, published in 2015).

>To expand, the BRL study looked at a series of engagements fought by the US 3rd Armored Division and 4th Armored Division in 1944. It was meant to give the US Army an accurate picture of how its armored units actually fought; and the data was used to help design future tanks and doctrine.

>In total, the study recorded a total of 30 armor vs armor engagements fought between M4 Shermans and the Mk V Panther. Astonishingly, contrary to all popular notions of Sherman tank inferiority, these two Divisions in fact recorded a 3.6-1 kill ratio in their favor. Rather than the oft-repeated myth that it took five Panthers to kill a Sherman, the study showed - way back in 1946 - that the ratio was instead 3.6 Panthers were lost for every Sherman.

M-muh 5:1

>he doesn't even read the rest of the book he's quoting
>The King Tigers on the left proceeded all the way to the end of the column, where they knocked out one of our M36 tank destroyers, which blocked the rear of the column. The lead tank in the column had already been knocked out and trapped the entire column. As the German tanks returned to the front of the column, they swung their guns around to the other side and picked off the remaining tanks and half-tracks. It was like shooting ducks in a pond. The remaining King Tigers withdrew, leaving our entire column bleeding and burning
>seventeen m4 Sherman tanks
>seventeen half-tracks
>three GMC trucks
>two jeeps
>and one M36 tank destroyer
>The column had been annihilated
lmao
books.google.com/books?id=Yanu67Pf_usC&pg=PA277#v=onepage&q&f=false
pg 278

>An ambush with a superior number of AFVs is representative of the entirety of WW2 tank combat

Wehraboo logic, ladies and gentlemen

>le wehrmacht was shit
>le sherman and t-34 were superior fighting vehicles
>just don't look at absence of AP ammo guys!

>implying i was even implying that
You're a fucking retard. I'm just posting the part you tried to leave out, or didn't even read because I'm just going to assume you're a memer from /k/

M4 > Pz 4 > T-34

You know it to be true.

...

>every tank ends in 4
jap conspiracy

the op said this kills the tiger, a 5:1 death ratio proved it didnt kill the tiger

get over your L and move on

AMERIFATS GET OUT REEEEEEEEEEEE
T34/85 best tank ,fuck off

>lets not give our tanks AP ammo
>tank destroyers will handle it!
that RTS tier logic.

in terms of what, goofiness of early models?

>take years and literally tens of thousands of dead crewmen to get the 3 man turret that the M4 had from the start
>by the time you get it, the Shermans have wet stowage and an assload of applique armor
>still have an antiquated Christie suspension that turns the crew compartment into a sardine can
>single base nitrocellulose ammunition liquifies the entire crew with little to no warning
>engine and transmission are still absolute abortions by either German or American standards, but you know that the average tank will die long before the 100 hour life of the engine is up and it needs to be completely overhauled

>, a 5:1 death ratio proved it didnt kill the tiger
It actually does prove that it kills tiger if the enemy runs out of tigers and you still have T34s.
One is easy to rebuild, the other isn't.

that just means it wasnt effective

take your L, and move on

>The truth remains that the Soviets won Kursk by zerg rush tactics

> successfully deceiving germans about where real defensive line is
> zerg rush
> germans attacked first and fell exactly into a trap of maskirovka
> soviet zerg rush

you have no idea what are you talking about just parroting the same memes about thing that are are even approximately remind you of things you are programmed to react to

This

T-34 was shit they just built a million of them

>2 man turret
WTF!?!
>no radios except for command tanks until the T-34/85
>Prokhorovka zerg rush done with flag signals
FUCKING SIGNAL FLAGS

2bh, the fact that the Soviets could coordinate such large formations without radios speaks numbers about the robustness of their military doctrine.

>that fucking gif

fuck of slavaboo

>no radios except for command tanks until the T-34/85
The only ones with radios in every tank were the Germans until 1942-1943. British and French tanks had very little radios available for the early parts of the war too. Radios in every tank was the exception at the time, not the rule.

I should save that, for future /k/ shit-treads

Well it's not like the Germans had sufficiently better equipment either, otherwise they would have fared much better against the soviets and the common wehrboo claim of zergrush

Don't mind me, posting best tank.

This desu its pretty impressive but holy fuck who doesnt put radios in their tanks

I believe it could fjord most rivers? Probably still would get bogged more often than not though.

They also had better technology. The Germans shouldn't have gone the whole cool looking but implausible route.

They did good, just numbers and supplies

History shows that they weren't good enough

Soviets counted any damaged tank as a casualty.
Germans counted it as a casualty only if it has 0 chace to be repaired.

Now that's what I call A E S T H E T I C

The Soviets did not win by suicidal charging.
Read something other than nazi propaganda.

The T-34 was an efficient and easy to operate vehicle.
USA aid assisted the Soviets greatly, especially in material, so they could concentrate on building weapons.

We both kicked hitler's sorry ass.

>>The Soviets did not win by suicidal charging.

Mein sides.

>yfw 10,000,000 - 15,000,000 dead slavs

Kys snownigger.

>t-34
>being good at all
*tips ushanka*

He's actually right. The human wave tactics meme comes from the Winter War and 1941 when they indeed used it and guess what, it didn't work. It very rarely does since it's a pretty shit strategy.

t. someone who HATES commies and Soviets

>implying germanics weren't the original snowniggers

Yeah killing civilians and POW's is an example of how Soviet combat tactics were bad. Are you retarded?
How about you read actual account by German soldiers instead of learning history from video games and Veeky Forums memes?

This kills the t-34

>getting destroyed by a puppy

>Ivan! watch out!

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-tank_dog#Deployment_by_the_Soviet_Union

>Another serious training mistake was revealed later; the Soviets used their own diesel-engine tanks to train the dogs rather than German tanks which had gasoline engines.[5] As the dogs relied on their acute sense of smell, the dogs sought out familiar Soviet tanks instead of strange-smelling German tanks.[7]

pupper, no!

Kill yourself fucking communist namefag. The USSR was not our true allies and not once did we fight by their side. We only gave them shit to help us defeat the Nazis and towards the end of the war there was a race to determine which Germans would be free and which would continue to live under a dictatorship. Even the General in your picture hated the USSR and Communism as did allied leaders such as Winston Churchill.

If we could've defeated the Nazi's on our own we would have.

kek

Patton should have taken Berlin, not Zhukov aka "What the fuck does manpower casualties mean?"

Germans are just lucky they didn't end up with 100 million casualties.

It had the equipment to ford rivers that had a bank it could drive down. A steep valley would render a river impassable for it.