Yo dudes how do you fix the torque canyon on the 86?

Yo dudes how do you fix the torque canyon on the 86?

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$500 ls swap in a afternoon

Change the driver.
These cars are not meant to driven half heartily, the revs should never be that low if you are pushing it.

isnt it to do with the VVTI?

Put a miata engine in it.

>200 hp
>150 ft/lbs torque

Miata
>155 hp
>145 ft/lbs torque

How does this car make so much less torque than its HP?

high rpm, aggressive cam, high compression

stroke over bore

The engine on the miata has something like a 14:1 compression rario vs the gt86s 12.5:1. Ofc tgat not the only reason for it, but it does contribute.

So of all the things listed why didn't they make the twins have these things to have decent torque?

its designed for commuting under 4k and 'sport' over 5k revs

Hoe high can its fuel economy get if you drive at 4k all the time?

Realistically you dont

Most MPG figures are BULLSHIT

show me how you can do this for $500

O-oh you wanted a serious answer?

Supercharger.

the yanks do a bunch of bolt on kits

I love how the price has slowly been falling

UEL headers have a small effect, supercharger like said is the best though

The $500 joke is from the fact you can pick up a 4.8L or 5.3L LS/Vortec V8 for under $500 from just about any junkyard in America.

But yes, The best solution is a supercharger kit.

bout 350 m8

Both those examples are atmo 2 litres you genius. And yet, the toyobaru still has a greater (albeit marginally) peak torque output. Once you start understanding the correlation between torque and power will you then understand why the toyobaru peak power is relatively significantly higher.

Absolutely

Heres what you can expect

harrop.com.au/tvs86 (cant find yank link but it gives you an idea)

and Fatt Marah reviews one youtube.com/watch?v=Q7tcE8N8I1I&t=317s

Its probably cheaper to buy and install for you yanks but it's what i'd do if i had a 86.

Get a used one for 12k or so and slap a supercharger, wide wheels and sticky rubber on it and your laughing.

If you eventually want more that 250-300rwhp you can always compound turbocharge it and add a Turbo

Came here to post this but if you got $1000 you can expect better results.

I've seen a diesel swapped old chevy dually shortbed pickup, thing was making only around 800hp but nearly 2200lb ft of torque

BRZ STI WHEN

literally cheaper to buy a new engine by the time you dick around putting a supercharger/turbo on the 86's motor you'll be 5-10k deep in mods and will have to get internals done to get more power

250-300rwhp these days is nothing
probably never

Toyota are fucking cucks and dont even make a turbo 4pot and subaru's 4pot turbos are outdated as fuck and melt beyond 300hp anyway

>Toyota are fucking cucks and dont even make a turbo 4pot
Toyota has a 2.0L Turbo. You can find it in the new Lexus NX200t and the Lexus IS200t.
Take the Toyota Camry's 2.5L 4 cylinder, give it a smaller stroke crankshaft and a smaller bore, then turbocharge it and you have the new 2.0L Turbo. Same engine family.

You are right. Their volume's are the same. I am dumb for not considering that.

So it isn't that the torque is low, the HP is high because the twins rev higher?

I am shit at mechanics but autistic enough to like moving things, I know I'm ill informed here.

>So it isn't that the torque is low, the HP is high because the twins rev higher?
it's not necessarily that they rev higher, though it certainly helps. It's that the heads allow that much more air through. Engines are essentially air pumps. The more air you can get in and out, and the quicker you can do it, the more power you'll make

To get rid of the torque dip you get headers or OFT. People shit post about this car all day when there's nothing wrong with it. Also if you have basic tools you can get a good reliable turbo kit for $3200. You can easily get 320whp to the wheels safely. You would be faster than a sti for a few grand less. So what's wrong with the car again?

it's not a s65 coupe with the fragrance system that infuses the air with pheromones that makes arabian princess pussies wet but aside from that it's ok

This got me thinking. Realistically, what torque outputs can the stock internals, transmission and drivetrain cope with without bursting?

350-380whp a quick Google search revealed on stock everything. Crawford did 400 apparently.

>you can just double the horsepower on a high strung 12.5:1 street car with a $2k kit
>look, the results from the manufacturer of the kit prove it!
>I read it on the internet it must be true

Clearly you don't know the FA20

This.

Realistically shit starts breaking after the 350whp mark. Clutch goes, cv joints/shafts go, and anything 8 psi the internals start to give.

Stock this car cant go far, and kits are 4k and up.

Sure you can fix the torque dip with a tune and headers but really will that do much? Doubt it.

Much better to LS swap it, hell even the japs do it on their time attack and drift cars

Please do your research before you talk. Friend at my school 2 years he had SBD turbo kit on his brz which is 3k. He had stock everything and only had to change the clutch. He beat the fuck out of the poor car. He dynoed at 370whp. His motor hasn't blown yet.

>The engine on the miata has something like a 14:1 compression rario
>the engine in a miata is diesel
explains why it's so shit.

You buy a brz and get rid of that ugly fucking frs

People on here need to look stuff up before making assumptions like they know everything.

>literally the same shit except with a shitty flat engine

This, horsepower is a product of torque. ya'll niggas need to to do some homework on the relationship between horsepower and torque.

>250-300rwhp these days is nothing
kys you fool

throw it in the trash and buy a v8 if ya want 'MUH TORKS'

Yeah pretty much. The whole thing wakes up if you shift and keep the revs up, but that means either sounding like a motorcycle all the time or accepting that you'll have to downshift when it's time to stop cruising.

The dip is more irritating than I thought it would be but on the other hand I just plain like shifting gears so probably I'll like it better after retraining myself to shift more preemptively.

lol its only a matter of time its common knowledge subi motors grenade at anything over 8psi or 300rwhp
it isnt my stock ls has 300rwhp

>leaf level posting

they both have the same shitty flat engine

Toyota needs to work with Porsche or BMW on the engine for the next gen 86. The current one is a loser.

>compound turbocharge

That's a first.

They already confirmed that there will be a next gen 86 and it's still being jointly developed with Subaru

unequal length headers

The boss of Toyota Europe said a few days ago that collaborating with Subaru was likely but not definite.

...

Australia m8, can't be helped

fpbp

Headers and a tune.

Get a CARB legal supercharger.

Zenki 86 > *

should just chuck the renisis in their

>here! Stick in this unreliable pile of shit with shit gas mileage, doesn't meet emissions anymore and is even worse at producing torque than the current flat 4

nice toyobaru cr-z M///coupe

Porn

How can others do it so well and they do it so badly? Why not a compact mid-front engine design inline 4 with a turbo hardware in front?

2.3L turbo I4 seems like a no-brainer. 275hp/280lbft

Fucking Subaru and their flat 4s. They fuck everything up.

dey made airplanes an sheeeeit

Sell it and buy a real car like a Mustang GT

huh, last time i checked real cars had turning capabilities

>inb4 muh irs

shutup cletus, go fuck your sister.

>pic related
>it's a car that can turn

No need to be so insecure, bro. It's okay that you get beat by V8 monsters in your small displacement shitbox.

A lot of junkyards let 4 bangers go for $250

>making assumptions
>damage control

eh, i don't know what i expected

someone who was a result from 2 siblings fucking can't be smart enough to comprehend legitimate points.

it's ok buddy, one day you'll understand that both the germans & the japanese both make better cars than amerilards.

>inb4 another """muh v8""" autistic comment

its fast enough. there, i said it.

>So what's wrong with the car again?
busriders and benchracers shitposting

yes, but we're talking about a V8, and one of the most common performance engines you can get these days.

The problem with this car is that it's not a miata.

Now let me explain...

The miata never had that much power, but it's handling prowess made up for it. It also had a ridiculous aftermarket, and a somewhat mature enthusiast following.

The FR-S/BRZ isn't the same. It has just enough horsepower to be taken seriously, and thus considered a disappointment.

The aftermarket for the twins is there, but it has a lot of boy-racer shit mixed in.

And the biggest problem is the community that follow this car. They watched so much initial d, and played so much need4speed that they expect way too much from this car. For $25k, you're getting quite a bit, which is amazing for the 20-something crowd.

The problem is, $25k is at that point where the monthly car payment is juuust affordable for the majority of people interested in these cars, and thus, it's difficult to afford mods.

Back to the miata crowd, the buyers are usually in their 30's and 40's, where the miata is just a second car for weekend driving with the wife. They can afford all sorts of mods if they wanted to. Even turbo and superchargers.

The frs/brz crowd cant. So they see all these amazing examples of the car they own, and want to modify, but can't. Thus, the 200hp stays the same when it was really only there to be a starting point for customization, or an acceptable amount for the average consumer.


That is the problem with the Toyota toyobarus... they're not miatas.


I do love both cars tho.

This is probably the best explanation.

Depends I the area I guess, but I started finding tons miats near $10k while cross shopping. The alternatives were like kias and one thing where it really made you think why somebody would be selling a corvette for $15k.

Probably should have gotten my dream miat but didn't have the time to go look at them all.

In their defense, they'll be amazing shitboxes in 10-15 years if nothing ends up having disastrous longevity and they don't start having problems meeting emissions.

When the flat fours in all these things blow themselves apart, what better available engine will just drop in without extensive mods?

If I could just order a Camry crate motor, or even one from the breakers, it would be quite interesting. But I think this thing will always be stuck with that "Impreza" motor.

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I'd bet a box of donuts someone will make a 350 SBC swap kit.

That's another thing. The BRZ and FRS are still considered "new" cars. They need to come down in price a bit more before the tuning community can really grab hold of them.

The miata is the perfect example of this. You can find NC's for under $10k, NB'so under $5k, and NA's for under $2k. The ND's are gonna take awhile to comfortably slide under the $15k mark.

Oh yeah, they're gonna be the replacement for the 240SX's. Finally, we can retire those cars. Hopefully there will be some unmolested examples, or atleast tastefully modified ones by the time it's replaced.

I'm just waiting to see what retarded swaps these kids do for the toyobarus. The FA20 isn't half bad for what it is.

2J and LS will be done hell or high water, good idea or not. Simply a matter of time.

Maybe it was the toasted suspension, but I wouldn't compare a 240sx to a brz/frs. They don't have that whole driving a 30lb tent at 800MPH with 20hp feel.

on paper they're pretty much identical

in real life of course its gonna be pretty different,

>For $25k, you're getting quite a bit, which is amazing for the 20-something crowd.

I do like this explanation but you can get more out of the Genesis which is priced at around the same mark. If you go up 4 grand more, you get 370z, Mustangs, Camaros, etc. They all come with serious power and room for boltons that give you even more power. Yes pigfat but let's be honest, you don't have much room to improve the BRZ. It's as light as it can get. Better intake/exhaust will yield marginal power at best, Prius tires means you gotta buy all new tires so and so on and so forth to be able to handle any extra power you make. That's all out of the box with Genesis/370z/Mustangs/etc. Problem with BRZ is that if you want real power, you gotta drop a lot more in price and you are better off with something else.

You seem upset. Did you get beat in a stoplight race by a Minivan?

>You seem upset. Did you get beat in a stoplight race by a Minivan?

I never understood this, is there a minivan thats faster than the twins or something?

It's not bad though if you find one for cheap. Here's to bringing back the eurobeat.

>tfw mine came with papers for the custom dorifto button in the glovebox

I simply meant that it would be the new "plentiful and affordable rwd coupe" replacement. The 240 did that better than any other car for the drift community. Every drift nirvana meet I went to, S13's and S14's everywhere. All sorts of swaps ranging from CA18s, to RB25's, and even a lexus V8 from time to time. The LS1 was popular, but never got to see/ride in/ or drive one. SR20's for days tho. Oh, and you had a KA24E, people would be throwing parts at you for cheap or free to atleast swap to a KA24DE.

you also seem upset, did you have to settle for a shitbox from craigslist because you are too poor to be able to buy a new toyobaru & mod it to be fast?

seems like it, mr. busrider.

There probably is. When I owned my Miata, we all had to accept that we'd be beaten at stop signs by the soccer mom's van. The average minivan has around 250-300hp and probably matching torque. Even with double the weight, there's just no beating the grunt that those things need to haul 7 people.

you're comparing the 86 to more expensive cars, weighing 300kg or more.

and in the case of the hyundai, seriously?

>mod it to be fast
>not having a stock fast car
Lmao!

To be honest mom never hoons the van anyway and raw power without any fun makes jack a dull boy.

My mom told me to stop after 3rd gear because she was scared. I was like MOOOOOMMMM it's only five miles over the speed limit GEEZ

>Prius tires means you gotta buy all new tires

OH NO, I GOTTA BUY NEW TIRES

found the guy who doesn't enjoy working on cars

$.02 have been deposited into your Toyota/Subaru joint account, arigatou!

ah, okay, it's all so clear now.

you are too fucking poor to buy an unmolested car from the factory & have the leftover cash to make it fast.

everything makes perfect sense now.

(you're also too poor to buy an unmolested fast car from the factory such as a v8 mustang or something, so don't even try to tell me you can)

>265hp at the flywheel
If I'm going FI, I'm not gonna waste time or money on carb legal routes

ok dude whatever you say

>That is the problem with the Toyota toyobarus... they're not miatas.

The fact that they are not miatas is exactly why I bought one though.

I didn't want to spend close to 30k on a 2 seat roadster.

I wanted a lightweight, rwd, fixed coupe that had more than 2 seats.

There are not very many cars made in the past 10 years that fit that description, aside from the Lotus Evora.

>Yes pigfat but let's be honest, you don't have much room to improve the BRZ. It's as light as it can get.

It's relatively easy to get down to 2650lbs without gutting the car.

Some people live in Commiefornia though


I'm just glad Subaru/Toyota even bothered making this car. Look at the shit that nissan, mitsubishi, and Honda are making lately.

funny thing is hondas k20 makes this much power with bolt ons and cams. sure both cost around 3k but it just shows how trash the fa20 is.

Can you even buy a new car with a k20 anymore? I would think it wouldn't pass modern USA emission laws.

Obviously the k20 is the superior engine though. I guess it just depends on if you want a rwd car or don't mind fwd in that case.

Is there currently a NA 4 2.0L cylinder that makes more power than the Fa20? Just curious.

The Honda Fit has a new L15 DOHC with direct injection.

Considering the new Civics are the size of old Accords, the Fit has pretty much replaced the Civic in terms of affordable, practical, and with the new engine, and aftermarket possibly even has a chance at a performance alternative.

I love the fit, but at the end of the day you are still driving in an economy fwd chassis and not a dedicated rwd platform. I'm sure they are a blast to drive though