Does the Bible say the Earth is flat?

If I recall correctly it says it's a Circle

Exactly.

Neither is saying four angels holding back the winds at the corners of the earth.

that medieval christians did is incorrect, but the bible does refer to a flat earth using babylonian cosmology. we can tell that through references to the firmament and the "waters of the deep"

Oh and how can we forget

>Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory. - Matthew 5:8

The Quran is literally copying the bible in those verses, it's almost identical if you put the verses from the quran and bible side by side.

The sun does go around the earth.

Do you think our solar system is static?

How about some actual passages. Saying the sun goes back to from where it rises implies nothing about the shape of the earth.

The waters contained in the fountains of the deep, that came forth during the flood, were the waters of the deep.

The mountain was not in our universe.

So, your observations about that could not have happened are kind of pointless.

I just posted the passages.
>Saying the sun goes back to from where it rises implies nothing about the shape of the earth.
It implies two things. One that the sun moves around the earth, and two that the earth has a start and end, which a sphere cannot.

>"Daniel 4:10-11. In Daniel, the king “saw a tree of great height at the centre of the earth… reaching with its top to the sky and visible to the earth's farthest bounds.”
>Matthew 4:8: "Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world"
>Revelation 7:1 "And after these things I saw four angels standing on four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree."
Taken literally, there is no way this does not mean a flat plain.

soo it's a mountain that isn't on earth, but one that can see all the kingdoms of earth? Like what, a floating spacestation mountain orbiting the planet? you're going to need to back that up

yeah, there's supposed to be a massive amount of fresh water beneath the earth, which it floats on. this is how the flood is even supposed to be possible

Yes. The third heaven overlaps our earth and two heavens at all points and at all times.

The mountain of God is what the New Jerusalem rests upon. Right now it's in the third heaven.

Soon, in just a little more than 7 years, it's moving here, and God will live with us.

Even today, with our arrangement after the Flood, there's a massive amount of water in the crust of the earth. Just massive.

Scientists have discovered evidence of a vast water reservoir trapped hundreds of miles beneath the surface, capable of filling Earth's oceans three times over.

Located 400 miles (660 km) beneath Earth's crust, this body of water is locked up in a blue mineral called ringwoodite that lies in the transition zone of hot rock between Earth's surface and core. Interestingly, this water is not in a form familiar to us - it's neither liquid, ice nor vapor. Geophysicist Steve Jacobsen from Northwestern University suggests it means that water on Earth may get pushed to the surface from below, contradicting previous beliefs that water was delivered via icy comets.

"Geological processes on the Earth's surface, such as earthquakes or erupting volcanoes, are an expression of what is going on inside the Earth, out of our sight," Jacobsen, co-author of the paper published in the journal Science, said in a press release.

As with all modern science, note the observations and discard the conclusions.

No, you have no proof that the mountain in that passage isn't a literal mountain, you are just making it up. It just says a mountain, no specific mountain.

I imagine you believe there are no contradictions in the bible too.

It's in the bible.

What you do with things in the bible are up to you. But you're asking a question about the bible, so the bible seems a normal resource for a response.

I am asking you for evidence to back up your claims, "it's in the bible" isnt a valid response.

Why can Christians accept that if taken literally the bible indicates geocentrism and a solid sky, but a flat Earth is too much? Their cosmology is almost identical to Babylonian cosmology who undoubtedly believed in a flat Earth. Same with traditional Greek mythology. If the Greeks never discovered it was round Europe and the Middle East would've believed it was flat until modern astronomy.

A very high mount by which you could see all of the kingdoms of the world in a moment in time.

That mountain does not exist on earth.

There is a mountain in the third heaven that does fulfill those requirements.

It is therefore that mountain.

Revelation 1
The New Jerusalem
9 Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls filled with the seven last plagues came to me[f] and talked with me, saying, “Come, I will show you the bride, the Lamb’s wife.” And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me the great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, having the glory of God.

Any time you think the bible is wrong, you're wrong.

How's that?

>That mountain does not exist on earth
that's the fucking point. you are starting with the premise that the bible is correct and working back from there

>That mountain does not exist on earth.
They believed it did. Simple as. If it was as you claim it would have said "the mountain" not "a mountain"

Yes, I am.

It's never been wrong, ever.

Everything against it has always been wrong. Always.

They believed in heaven.

It's you fedoras that can't grasp the supernatural, not Christians.

Waters above AND below.

> Genesis 1:7 (NRSV) - So God made the dome and separated the waters that were under the dome from the waters that were above the dome. And it was so.

Both of them are opened in the flood:

> Genesis 7:11 (NRSV) - In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, in the second month, on the seventeenth day of the month, on that day all the fountains of the great deep burst forth, and the windows of the heavens were opened.

The biblical conception of the earth is like a reverse snow globe.

But the mountain isn't in heaven, if it is that means heaven is literally in the clouds.

Waters above were in a canopy over the earth that fell. Took 40 days for it to fall.

Prior to its falling, there was no rain.

And all the volcanoes erupted, as well.

This was an ELE, not a big rain storm.

The clouds are in the first heaven.
Space is the second heaven.
The Mountain of God is in the third heaven, and contains the Assembly of the Angels, and the New Jerusalem (streets of gold, pearly gates, etc.)

The third heaven is not higher than the first two, but overlaps the first two and the earth at all times and places. People on earth can talk to people in the third heaven.

You are just making that up.
Regardless it says a mountain on earth

Is this accurate?

science does too
stay woked

no

>soo it's a mountain that isn't on earth, but one that can see all the kingdoms of earth?
>a supernatural being can't just summon up a vision of something akin to a wall of TV screens hooked up to security cameras

>in the six hundredth year of Noah's life

Seems legit

>Taken literally
Only the most nutty protestants do that shit though

Now what about the iron age Hebrews who wrote it?

Considering after Noah, humans get a 120 level cap, one could say immortality was part of the whole "having a soul" thing, the Fall made it mere Longevity and whatever that Nephilim business was (I like to think they are some kind of angelic task force and man got the level cap from breeding with a soulless hominid that fucked up our DNA) made it "max cap 129, 80 at the average.

Isn't there a verse in Job(?) that says "Where were you when the Earth was a ball of ice?" or did I dream that?

Did Hemingway say the Sun goes around the Earth?

I don't think so, but look up Job 38 - that's where God responds to Job and describes his power in terms of the creation and power over the earth.

Chronicles 16:30: “He has fixed the earth firm, immovable.”
Psalm 93:1: “Thou hast fixed the earth immovable and firm ...”
Psalm 96:10: “He has fixed the earth firm, immovable ...”
Psalm 104:5: “Thou didst fix the earth on its foundation so that it never can be shaken.”
Isaiah 45:18: “...who made the earth and fashioned it, and himself fixed it fast...

If the Earth is Flat, if the Earth is a Sphere, you are the conscious perceiver of the 3 dimensional reality in front of you.

Even the form of the three dimensional reality is constantly changing, decaying, and transforming, so it the conscious perceiver and soul within is the reality that is eternal.

It is possible to use our own mathematic equipment to make measurements over time, without having a flat earth bias or a science textbook definition bias.

>Ancient Mesopotamian Nomads are aware of Heliocentrism, the physics of Gravity and that there are 8/9 planets
>3 of those verses are Psalms
>Psalms are literally Poetic Ballads

He who sits above the circle of the earth, And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers, Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.

>iron age Hebrews
I suppose the republic and symposium were taken literally as well?
I mean all ancient peoples were obviously ignorant and had the mental capacity of an 11 year old.
>It implies two things. One that the sun moves around the earth, and two that the earth has a start and end, which a sphere cannot.
post hoc ergo propter hoc
poetry, nigger.
lol
>implying with the munchausen trillemma that everything isn't a mental gymnastic
excellent affirmation.

>which it floats on
where is this implied in the bible?
There's an aquifer the size of Europe under the heartland U.S.

>which a sphere cannot
The English empire had an end, in many places it had an end, yet it encompassed the globe.
I think your understanding of end is rather rudimentary and unrefined.

The problem is that when idiots read the Bible it makes them atheists, when intelligent men and women read the Bible they become Christians.

The pins are set, lad.

Why do we have east and west if there is no true east nor true west?
What about the bible implying the east and west are infinite?
that implies a sphere.

Every around the Hebrews including closely related cultures to them thought the Earth was flat, and the Hebrews described a flat Earth in poetic language but really meant it was round. Amazing.

Daily reminder

youtube.com/watch?v=8Wznf3k57fA

There is a man who is 145 years old today. What cap?

This Bible worship has got to stop.

It refers to the earth as a circle and having four corners

You only need 3 axes to pin point a location or to accurately describe a direction

>It implies two things. One that the sun moves around the earth, and two that the earth has a start and end, which a sphere cannot.
Neither are implied. Both fit with a globe Eart and Heliocentric system.

Compass directions only imply a surface, not that it's flat. Corners don't strictly or directly imply flatness, but it does imply 'not sphericalness' in any case.

No there isn't.

Only Ecclesiastes wasn't written by God, but by Solomon, who was just a man. Not only that but the entire book focuses on how much we don't know and that the pursuit of knowing everything, isn't even on par with having Wisdom, but through Wisdom, Solomon discovered that a pursuit of knowing everything is all just vanity, which means it's all "useless" or "meaningless" because everything of earth, including the earth itself has already been "judged" for destruction.

The second book of Peter points out the earth was formed by water but will be destroyed by fire, which we now know the impact glaciers had on forming the planet, and also the sun will eventually scorch the earth with heat toward the back of end of the Sun's life.

Well look at like this, do you think the visions of those giant mutated lions Daniel saw were actually going to show up on earth and start eating people? Lol of course not. The cryptic element of that vision was immediately disclosed to Daniel as to what those beasts really were and what they represented.

That's the thing with the Bible, parables are like hieroglyphics. You can't read such things as if you were a robot. It requires a utilization of wisdom, which is not the same as knowledge. But yeah, parables, hieroglyphics, a single image can portray far more than just words.

The Bible also refers to the corners of your head, but your head isn't flat...

The record for longest life span is 122 years
The oldest person alive today is 116 years old